Because it's a fact....

[DoggieDaddy13]

All the problems with the current stat of College Football today are a direct result of our FANaticism.
Folks - like me - spend too much time and way too much money on it. It's not about equity or fairness. It's what the market will bear and right now it's a wide open free for all.
And deep down, we like it.
Hell, we'll absolutely love it if our team ends up on the winning side.
We got to have the right people in place and the big money behind us.
This is the way. The American way!

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

I think there was someone that already summed up the point your making,

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Capitalism is great but some Socialism is needed in sports to keep things competitive. The NCAA could learn a lot from MLB, NBA & NFL but it's not gonna be legally easy since college athletes are Students and not W-2'd Employees. Gonna take some crafty legal work to get this schit cleaned the 17 up.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Capitalism is great but some Socialism is needed in sports to keep things competitive. The NCAA could learn a lot from MLB, NBA & NFL but it's not gonna be legally easy since college athletes are Students and not W-2'd Employees. Gonna take some crafty legal work to get this schit cleaned the 17 up.

They are W-2 employees! They will pay taxes on the money they get from NIL. I think you are seeing the amateur status vanish.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

They are W-2 employees! They will pay taxes on the money they get from NIL. I think you are seeing the amateur status vanish.

Or are they 1099'd Independent Contractors?

 

[8dog]

Capitalism is great but some Socialism is needed in sports to keep things competitive. The NCAA could learn a lot from MLB, NBA & NFL but it's not gonna be legally easy since college athletes are Students and not W-2'd Employees. Gonna take some crafty legal work to get this schit cleaned the 17 up.

How does making them employees help any of this?

 

[Cantdoitsal]

How does making them employees help any of this?

Those issuing W-2's have legal rights to control certain aspects of employment. College Teams and the NCAA have their hands tied on a lot of this because you can't just tell a student when and where they can transfer to another school. Professional Athletes are W-2'd employees of the franchise and hafta sign contracts with their employers that have legal limitations on when and how they get to jump ship to another team but colleges don't have that luxury or control.

 

[8dog]

It gives those issuing the W-2's legal rights to control certain aspects of their terms of employment. Schools and the NCAA have their hands tied on a lot of this because you can't just tell a student when and where they can transfer to another school. Professional Athletes are W-2'd employees of the franchise and hafta sign contracts with their employers that have legal limitations on when and how they get to jump ship to another team but colleges don't have that luxury or control.

It gives those issuing the W-2's legal rights to control certain aspects of their terms of employment. Schools and the NCAA have their hands tied on a lot of this because you can't just tell a student when and where they can transfer to another school. Professional Athletes are W-2'd employees of the franchise and hafta sign contracts with their employers that have legal limitations on when and how they get to jump ship to another team but colleges don't have that luxury or control.

And if schools want a player they are going to relax the terms. Plus none of that will limit NIL. I think the employee think is much ado about nothing

 

[GloryDawg]

Or are they 1099'd Independent Contractors?

They are either being paid for service, or they are receiving a gift. Either way it is taxable. The tax may be being paid who knows. The IRS is going after people for selling 600.00 worth of old stuff on Ebay. They are hiring 87K new agents. This amount of money being passed around is not going unnoticed.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

And if schools want a player they are going to relax the terms. Plus none of that will limit NIL. I think the employee think is much ado about nothing

What terms are you talking about relaxing? The Employee or Non Employee part plays no role in this stuff?

 

[Cantdoitsal]

They are either being paid for service, or they are receiving a gift. Either way it is taxable. The tax may be being paid who knows. The IRS is going after people for selling 600.00 worth of old stuff on Ebay. They are hiring 87K new agents. This amount of money being passed around is not going unnoticed.

They are indeed being paid and they are definitely being taxed just like any person doing an advertisement commercial. Kinda like Shaq going from one Pizza Company to Another.

 

[8dog]

What terms are you talking about relaxing? The Employee or Non Employee part plays no role in this stuff?

I just dont think making them employees makes any of this better. If one school offers you a contract to play for 4 years with no way out then another school will do it for 2 and then another for 1 and so on. They will still have contractual rights to leave. They will still get NIL money. It’s just the same thing. But with more taxes.
But I can be convinced otherwise. But the easiest thing to do would be to just eliminate the portal and make everyone sit a year again.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

I just dont think making them employees makes any of this better. If one school offers you a contract to play for 4 years with no way out then another school will do it for 2 and then another for 1 and so on. They will still have contractual rights to leave. They will still get NIL money. It’s just the same thing. But with more taxes.
But I can be convinced otherwise. But the easiest thing to do would be to just eliminate the portal and make everyone sit a year again.

It would make a HUGE difference if they were employees like they are at the professional level but that's difficult because the schools are not DIRECTLY cutting payroll checks but at the end of the day, we're talking mobility freedom only here, no?

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Those issuing W-2's have legal rights to control certain aspects of employment. College Teams and the NCAA have their hands tied on a lot of this because you can't just tell a student when and where they can transfer to another school. Professional Athletes are W-2'd employees of the franchise and hafta sign contracts with their employers that have legal limitations on when and how they get to jump ship to another team but colleges don't have that luxury or control.

That's what's going to have to happen. You sign in nil you have to perform and if you don't you are cut at the end of your contract. If you leave before end of your contract you contract has to be bought out

 

[Coast_Dawg]

The moment players become W-2 employees of the schools, people will walk away from being fans. To what magnitude, only time will tell but people will walk away.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

That's what's going to have to happen. You sign in nil you have to perform and if you don't you are cut at the end of your contract. If you leave before end of your contract you contract has to be bought out

I would go even further saying the holder of the contract has the right to not sell should they refuse to do so. "Salary" Caps would be beneficial eliminating a lot of the BS.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

The moment players become W-2 employees of the schools, people will walk away from being fans. To what magnitude, only time will tell but people will walk away.

I doubt that because what we have at present is much worse unless you actually like what's going on now. They don't neccessarily have to become W-2'd employees of schools but if NIL Contracts could have added amendments that would go a long way to resolving today's schit show.

 

[Coast_Dawg]

I doubt that because what we have at present is much worse unless you actually like what's going on now. They don't neccessarily have to become W-2'd employees of schools but if NIL Contracts could have added amendments that would go a long way to resolving today's schit show.

Why amendments do you think the contracts should have?

And I know myself and my family and several friends that would walk away from college ball if the players became university employees. I’ve already pulled back since the 2020 season.

 

[Coast_Dawg]

I would go even further saying the holder of the contract has the right to not sell should they refuse to do so. "Salary" Caps would be beneficial eliminating a lot of the BS.

Salary caps will never happen. SCOTUS has pretty much already commented on that. NIL is between the player and the company he/she makes a contract with. The school has no say in it as long as it doesn’t violate any rules (as if there are any rules). My assumption is basically as long as the NIL agreement doesn’t say you have to play for a certain school for you to get paid, it’s fine. I’m sure the people paying for NIL services have clauses that they can terminate the contract at any time.

 

[Coast_Dawg]

Pandora’s box is open and it will never be closed. The only action the NCAA and its members can take to get it under control is to blow it all up and start back to making players be students first. That isn’t gonna happen.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Salary caps will never happen. SCOTUS has pretty much already commented on that. NIL is between the player and the company he/she makes a contract with. The school has no say in it as long as it doesn’t violate any rules (as if there are any rules). My assumption is basically as long as the NIL agreement doesn’t say you have to play for a certain school for you to get paid, it’s fine. I’m sure the people paying for NIL services have clauses that they can terminate the contract at any time.

Salary Caps for MLB, NBA & NFL flew legally so saying they ain't never gonna happen at the collegiate level may be premature. Challenging but not impossible.

 

[Coast_Dawg]

Salary Caps for MLB, NBA & NFL flew legally so saying they ain't never gonna happen at the collegiate level may be premature. Challenging but not impossible.

Do you not realize that the schools and NCAA have no say in the amount of a student’s NIL income? Do you realize that as long as the athletes are students, nobody will be able to tell said student where they can or can’t play as long as they qualify? A conference or school or NCAA can’t tell somebody they can’t play sports because they make too much money.
ETA: you obviously know this as you’ve stated it earlier in this thread.

Privately owned members of professional sports leagues and an organization involving public colleges/universities that receive funding from tax dollars are a big difference.

 

[LordMcBuckethead]

Or are they 1099'd Independent Contractors?

Yep. More like it.

 

[Dawgg]

Or are they 1099'd Independent Contractors?

@CharlieWinfield Can you answer this?

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Salary Caps for MLB, NBA & NFL flew legally so saying they ain't never gonna happen at the collegiate level may be premature. Challenging but not impossible.

Players unions are the main difference. Pro league salary caps are obtained through collective bargaining agreements with the players' unions. This overcomes the anti trust concerns.

Anti trust is the primary legal issue breaking the NCAAs back right now. If the players could unionize, many of the current issues could be addressed. But we are a long way from that. College athletes aren't even recognized as employees right now, though that could be changed easily. But then they will need to unionize, and that would take quite a while

 

[HRMSU]

Do you not realize that the schools and NCAA have no say in the amount of a student’s NIL income? Do you realize that as long as the athletes are students, nobody will be able to tell said student where they can or can’t play as long as they qualify? A conference or school or NCAA can’t tell somebody they can’t play sports because they make too much money.
ETA: you obviously know this as you’ve stated it earlier in this thread.

Privately owned members of professional sports leagues and an organization involving public colleges/universities that receive funding from tax dollars are a big difference.

Yep, NIL is like endorsement deals not salary and even as bad as Dak's housewives commercial is nobody in the NFL can control how many he makes or how much money he gets paid for making them.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Do you not realize that the schools and NCAA have no say in the amount of a student’s NIL income? Do you realize that as long as the athletes are students, nobody will be able to tell said student where they can or can’t play as long as they qualify? A conference or school or NCAA can’t tell somebody they can’t play sports because they make too much money.
ETA: you obviously know this as you’ve stated it earlier in this thread.

Privately owned members of professional sports leagues and an organization involving public colleges/universities that receive funding from tax dollars are a big difference.

Yep, understood which is why I said it would be challenging but not impossible. Reinstating the old transfer rules would be the first start halting the portal chaos with exceptions when a HC coach leaves or gets fired. Salary Caps will / would be difficult. I'm still trying to figger that one out in my head. Making them W-2'd is what I'm thinking so far. Maybe not an employee of the school but another entity within the school.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

All the problems with the current stat of College Football today are a direct result of our FANaticism.
Folks - like me - spend too much time and way too much money on it. It's not about equity or fairness. It's what the market will bear and right now it's a wide open free for all.
And deep down, we like it.
Hell, we'll absolutely love it if our team ends up on the winning side.
We got to have the right people in place and the big money behind us.
This is the way. The American way!

Yeah just create another 250k alumni out of thin air and we have all the money we need.

 

[Coast_Dawg]

Yep, understood which is why I said it would be challenging but not impossible. Reinstating the old transfer rules would be the first start halting the portal chaos with exceptions when a HC coach leaves or gets fired. Salary Caps will / would be difficult. I'm still trying to figger that one out in my head. Making them W-2'd is what I'm thinking so far. Maybe not an employee of the school but another entity within the school.

I guess that’s where we differ. I’d rather see the system dismantled and go back to having reasonable priced coaching and actual students playing sports and by actual students, I mean kids that enrolled in college for an education and earned a scholarship after trying out for a team.

Pro sports leagues should pony up and create their own minor league systems and pay the coaches and players millions of dollars. Tax funding shouldn’t be involved.

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I’m a big boy. I can take being disagreed with and called an idiot.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

You're not an idiot. THE NFL has made out like bandits thanks to the college system. So much money is wasted on athletics at our "educational" institutions.
College is not for everyone. Many of these young men would be much better served in a minor league system that could focus more solely on them and their skill set.
Every state could have at least one minor league football team that could feed directly into the NFL. They would draw crowds and television dollars if the NFL ran it.

 

[CharlieWinfield]

@CharlieWinfield Can you answer this?

Sorry - late seeing this - but, yes, independent contractors.