Beloved movies with big plot holes
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Back to the Future....
Since the clock tower didn't have a second hand lightning could have struck any time between 10:04:00 and 10:04:59.
There's no way they could have timed the lightning strike.
And Johnny B. Goode is in they key of B flat...not B goddamnit
I always marveled that they didn't simply put the car on blocks and rev the engine.
Hey, come on now, if Alec B can pull it off it...
Sigh…. It pains me to talk about it, because Casablanca is one of my favorite films. However, the hole is not what you think.
While Casablanca was filmed and released in 1942, it was set in late 1940 or before December 1941, after the Armistice was signed with Germany that created what is known as Vichy France. French Morocco was under the domain of Vichy France. French Morocco was sandwiched between Spanish Morocco & Spanish Sahara. Any Nazi activity in French Morocco would be somewhat limited because of the Armistice and Germany’s relationship with Spain. So it is possible that a Major Strasser would not have been authorized to take Victor Lazlo into custody and take him to Germany, which is why he wanted Renault to find a reason to arrest Lazlo and keep him in custody indefinitely.
Ultimately, the letters of transit are merely a MacGuffin.
Now to address the real hole. General de Gaulle was never part of the Vichy government. He refused to acknowledge the Armistice, fled to England and actively raised support for the French Resistance. His signature would have been worthless in any part of Vichy France because he was considered a traitor in their eyes. Now, if the letters of transit had been signed by Marshal PĂ©tain, they would have been worth something.
That being said, given the fact that the Epstein brothers (PSU 1931) were writing and rewriting the script during filming, it is amazing that it ended up being such a great film. Allegedly, at least one draft had Lazlo getting killed and Ilsa & Rick flying off to Lisbon. Bogart dubbed the final line of dialogue weeks after filming was finished.
One of my favorite bits of dialogue is as follows:
Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?
Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.
Perhaps I’m reading too much into it, but I’ve always felt that was a political dig at the Vichy government, as Vichy has always been famous for its thermal baths and spas.
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A precedent was set earlier in the championship when Shooter had to play his ball off of Frankenstein's foot.
One of my favorites...
Annina: Monsieur Rick, what kind of a man is Captain Renault?
Rick: Oh, he's just like any other man, only more so.
Empire Strikes Back... when they escape the ice planet, Luke heads to find Yoda. He Finds him and proceeds to begin his training. His training continues it seems for a long period of time. Meanwhile the rest of the clan run into an asteroid belt, land, take off, escape the fleet, and head to the city in the sky... this all seems to happen in a rather short period of time. Then the empire heads to the city in the sky and Luke ends his training and heads there for the big showdown. One timeline is clearly weeks/months while the other seems like a few days... yet the intersect. I remember this bugging the shiit out of me when I first saw the movie when I was 15 in 1980
The Millennium Falcon was having problems with the hyperdrive so I always assumed it took them a long time to get there (work a little, break, temp fix, rinse, repeat).
I tried to write a rejoinder, but deleted and have got nothing.
This reminded me of the story of Moe Berg, the American spy who played MLB for many years. During the war Werner Heisenberg was head of the Nazi Atomic Bomb project and at one point was known to be in Switzerland. Berg was sent there with orders to evaluate how far along the Nazi project was, and use this evaluation to decide on his own whether or not to kill Heisenberg. An assassination in neutral Switzerland would have been real problematic.
Book Summary, scroll down a bit.
The Catcher Was a Spy - Wikipedia
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Moe Berg has a good John Houseman name.
Plus we are left to assume that they ate and used the bathroom periodically.
Think of all those fantastic marksmen who can turn around while bouncing up and down on a horse and shoot somebody else bouncing up and down on a horse fifty yards away.
And why do Indians always keep circling the wagon train until they and their horses get dizzy instead of charging right in?
It’s because the extras get paid by the hour.
Jim, most of those movies were made before the World became socially sensitive. I wouldn’t be surprised if those old Hollywood moguls didn’t try to pay the Indian extras in blankets and beads.
He opens the letter in spring and the leaves are turning . Also he tries out in summer and yet you can see every player breathe cold air. The psu band is playing alma materwhen his father says “ this is the most beautiful thing these eyes have ever seen”. Rudy jumps up when notre dame scores against psu. That snow game was in the 90’s. They didn’t play in the 70’s.
More proof that movie sucks just like that pathetic school.
I always wonder how the hero has a pistol, fighting off and killing the villains (multiply villains) who are armed with AK 47's
So honestly, the movies aren't bad per se. I'll confess to being a huge fan of the books. Did I expect the movies to deviate from the books somewhat? Of course I did.Blasphemy, dude!
However, my big problem was that, for some reason, every "scene" in the books that was truly profound, the ones I really couldn't wait to see on screen, were not there. Every single one.
Aragorn, head bowed to his knees at the departure of the Fellowship.
Aragorn paddling through the gates of Argonath
Gandalf breaking Saruman's staff
Aragorn's fellow Rangers meeting him before leaving for the Paths of the Dead, and bringing him the Standard of Arwen.
Gandalf meeting the Lord of the Nazgul at the gates of Minas Tirith with the horns of Rohan blowing at just that moment
Aragorn unfurling the standard of Arwen at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields
The latter two were the ones I was really looking forward to, but for some reason, Mr. Jackson chose to make the whole scene more reminiscent of a frat party. Honestly, that entire battle scene was incredibly poorly done.
Maybe he just didn't feel he could do justice to the scenes I mentioned, but the deletion of almost all of the scenes I was hoping to see on the big screen left me completely and totally disappointed in the movies. I honestly walked out of Return of the King after the Minas Tirith battle scene- how can you skip the Gandalf/Lord of the Nazgul and the unfurling of the Standard of Arwen? Answer.... you can't if you want me to be a fan.
If you recall, Andy had the poster attached at the top not the bottom. He lifted it up to dig and to escape.
If you remember, it was personal to Michael. He insisted on killing Sollozzo and McCloskey himself because he wanted revenge for the attempted murder of the Don and for McClosky's corruption.
Actually, Michael is the one that claimed "It's Not Personal It's Strictly Business."
That's what he said, but it was understood....it was very personal. Don't you remember what Sonny said?
Not a movie. But Justified. I mean how do you get from Harlan Co Ky to Lexington in like 15 minutes????
Not sure about some of them, but I know I have watched Gandalf telling Saruman "Your staff is broken" and Gandalf facing the Nazgul (witch-king of Angmar) at Minas Tirith and being overpowered until the Rohan horns blow...I have watched the extended versions though, which add approx. an hour of content to each movie, so maybe those scenes are only in the extended version? I lost track of which were in the original cut, because they are not packaged separately as extra "deleted scenes" as many movies do, the extra scenes were actually incorporated seamlessly into the movie itself in the extended versions.
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The same way that, in 24, Jack Bauer goes all over Los Angeles in 24 hours.
BTW, my biggest plot hole with Empire Strikes Back is why didn't Han pay Jabba between movies.
You might be right..... I haven' watched the extended versions, and to be honest, haven't watched the movies in quite some time.Not sure about some of them, but I know I have watched Gandalf telling Saruman "Your staff is broken" and Gandalf facing the Nazgul (witch-king of Angmar) at Minas Tirith and being overpowered until the Rohan horns blow...I have watched the extended versions though, which add approx. an hour of content to each movie, so maybe those scenes are only in the extended version? I lost track of which were in the original cut, because they are not packaged separately as extra "deleted scenes" as many movies do, the extra scenes were actually incorporated seamlessly into the movie itself in the extended versions.
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