Bo say, State may not have the money .....

[Maroon13]

... to fire Lemonis. To much tied up in the current staff and nil for all sports to afford it.

Thursday hour 1, 32m30s.

I have no idea. But it wouldn't surprise me if State did keep lemon after this year. Especially if he can find north of 5 sec wins.

Also he mentions 10million in nil for football but later says 7 million in nil for football last year. So I assume we will have 10 million In this years team??! Good grief. That's a lot of money but way off of every other sec school.

Which it is just ridiculous it takes that much to buy a team.

I can't blame alums if they say "no more" if asked for a buyout for Lemonis.

 

[3dawgnight]

For what it’s worth, I heard the same. We are praying that someone takes Lemonis off our hands.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Maybe he'll do the right thing and resign. I can't imagine this season is going to be very pleasant for him.

 

[GloryDawg]

The question is will it cost us more in the long run with Selmon picking the next coach. I don't trust that SOB to hire anyone.

 

[TheBannerM]

LOL. Cohen continues to 17 State two years after he left.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

... to fire Lemonis. To much tied up in the current staff and nil for all sports to afford it.

Thursday hour 1, 32m30s.

I have no idea. But it wouldn't surprise me if State did keep lemon after this year. Especially if he can find north of 5 sec wins.

Also he mentions 10million in nil for football but later says 7 million in nil for football last year. So I assume we will have 10 million In this years team??! Good grief. That's a lot of money but way off of every other sec school.

Which it is just ridiculous it takes that much to buy a team.

I can't blame alums if they say "no more" if asked for a buyout for Lemonis.

Rosey is carrying the water too, he's doing his best to set the table for a Lemonis return so fans won't revolt.

On the other hand, Bo wants shlt to hit the fan. The Rosey interviews should be good for the next few months.

 

[civildawg88]

If we don't fire Lemonis after this season, we are an unserious program and deserve everything that comes with that

 

[patdog]

The money would be there if the leadership wasn’t lazy & incompetent. I don’t believe we can’t afford it for a second. But I do believe there ms a very good chance Lemonis is back next year.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

If folks don't think we're poor, just look at the hires we've made and the lack of talent signed. They can keep saying our NIL is good, but the results say otherwise. Maybe fans revolt and stop supporting baseball like they have football.

 

[civildawg88]

We honestly would probably downgrade with Selmon hiring a new coach. Dude is a total fraud

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

If we continue to struggle this year he needs to be fired. How can we let him stay for another year if we don’t make the tourney?

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Some genius must have extended Lemonis following the 2024 season if it is actually too expensive to fire him. The individual that made this alleged decision could & should be terminated for "cause"

 

[17itdawg]

If we don't fire Lemonis after this season, we are an unserious program and deserve everything that comes with that

Exactly, if this season plays out the way we all expect it to, you cannot bring him back. Otherwise those posters that talk about it being a club sport would be correct, and we're throwing in the towel by keeping Lemonis and his staff.

 

[Seinfeld]

This was the excuse over two years ago. TW0 YEARS AGO

At the time, with a brand new AD on board and a near $3M buyout for a baseball coach, I could at least see the other side as to why Lemonis might not be fired.

But now? If Selmon has seriously spent two years here and still doesn’t have a plan for buying out the last year of Lemonis’s deal and a few assistants, 17 this entire administration. It’s a complete joke

 

[8dog]

Selmon hasn’t helped himself with the way he has spent money.

 

[AttalaDawg72]

I have a friend who doesn’t work for athletics, but works closely with athletics. He told me that it’s unlikely Lemonis will be fired unless the season is a complete disaster. Said that the university is absolutely opposed to taking risks on anything, especially in athletics. Meanwhile, Ole Miss is taking risks on Kiffin and Beard and look where they’re at as opposed to us. We’re a boring school with a boring perception and you can thank Mark Keenum and Sid Salter for this schools continued demise.

 

[patdog]

This was the excuse over two years ago. TW0 YEARS AGO

At the time, with a brand new AD on board and a near $3M buyout for a baseball coach, I could at least see the other side as to why Lemonis might not be fired.

But now? If Selmon has seriously spent two years here and still doesn’t have a plan for buying out the last year of Lemonis’s deal and a few assistants, 17 this entire administration. It’s a complete joke

I told y’all 2 years ago Selmon wasn’t the answer. If you hire an AD at that salary, he has to be ready to do the job from day 1. We’re 2+ years in & he still doesn’t have a clue.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If folks don't think we're poor, just look at the hires we've made and the lack of talent signed. They can keep saying our NIL is good, but the results say otherwise. Maybe fans revolt and stop supporting baseball like they have football.

We have less than most other SEC schools overall, but we're not "poor". And our NIL is adequate enough in baseball that we are able to sign kids. But they have to want to come here and play for Lemonis.

People aren't spending unlimited amounts of money on baseball NIL, even the SEC. I would imagine we offer right there with the richest schools in that regard.

 

[The Peeper]

We are praying that someone takes Lemonis off our hands.

 

[Anon1713389554]

Nope. We have the money. We just don’t know how to spend it because of our crappy administration.

 

[kphall11]

I don’t buy that. We can make a few calls and get the buy out money if enough of the big donors are fed up with a baseball stadium sitting empty in June.

 

[Walkthedawg]

Said that the university is absolutely opposed to taking risks on anything, especially in athletics.

And that sure has worked out in the long run**

The entire school is ran like an investment fund for someone that is nearing retirement.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

If we continue to struggle this year he needs to be fired. How can we let him stay for another year if we don’t make the tourney?

Only one thing wrong with your statement. You should have said selmon and lemonis both should be fired.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Selmon hasn’t helped himself with the way he has spent money.

He's simply doing what every program in the country does. That's a plus IMO. We've been penny pinching so long, it was time to step up to modern athletics.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

We have less than most other SEC schools overall, but we're not "poor". And our NIL is adequate enough in baseball that we are able to sign kids. But they have to want to come here and play for Lemonis.

People aren't spending unlimited amounts of money on baseball NIL, even the SEC. I would imagine we offer right there with the richest schools in that regard.

I'm not talking just baseball, look at all the sports. "Adequate" is getting us killed in men's athletics. Basketball was adequate, but that's about all you can say about it. We're in the bottom 6 of this conference in men's athletics. OM isn't and they're in this same state and running a strong athletic program. Keenum is so overly conservative and of the Templeton mold that it's hurting us.

 

[8dog]

He's simply doing what every program in the country does. That's a plus IMO. We've been penny pinching so long, it was time to step up to modern athletics.

That may be fine if we weren’t about to get 23 mill taken from us annually soon.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

That may be fine if we weren’t about to get 23 mill taken from us annually soon.

Everyone is in that boat. Everyone is spending more than they're taking in minus the true blue bloods and some of those are. We can't get stuck in the Templeton and Cohen mindsets here. We've got to do whatever it takes to stay at the top level of college athletics or we can move to CUSA.

 

[8dog]

Everyone is in that boat. Everyone is spending more than they're taking in minus the true blue bloods and some of those are. We can't get stuck in the Templeton and Cohen mindsets here. We've got to do whatever it takes to stay at the top level of college athletics or we can move to CUSA.

Yeah but we have less revenue than most teams. And I’m talking about squandering money on things with no return. Hearing a lot of criticism on that.

And to stay at the top level of athletics we HAVE to make sure we can fully fund the max rev share. Don’t think we are quite there yet.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Yeah but we have less revenue than most teams. And I’m talking about squandering money on things with no return. Hearing a lot of criticism on that.

And to stay at the top level of athletics we HAVE to make sure we can fully fund the max rev share. Don’t think we are quite there yet.

I've heard the same people complaining about waste that would complain about spending any kind of money. It's what they've been conditioned to do. Selmon isn't the bad guy some try to make him. You can talk to him almost anytime you want. I'm sure there's some waste like with any other large operation, but I see more positives than negatives with what's he's doing. My only problem is he had no experience, so he's learning on the job a bit just like everyone we hire these days. Another sign we lack the money we claim orrrr, we're just damn cheap as hell.

 

[golferdog]

For what it’s worth, I heard the same. We are praying that someone takes Lemonis off our hands.

The money would be there if the leadership wasn’t lazy & incompetent. I don’t believe we can’t afford it for a second. But I do believe there ms a very good chance Lemonis is back next year.

True, we would be ponying up to give him a raise if he was winning big. There is a few million out there. If we're serious about a winning baseball program, they will make the move.

 

[Xenomorph]

We are praying that someone takes Lemonis off our hands.

 

[Maroon13]

We have less than most other SEC schools overall, but we're not "poor". And our NIL is adequate enough in baseball that we are able to sign kids. But they have to want to come here and play for Lemonis.

People aren't spending unlimited amounts of money on baseball NIL, even the SEC. I would imagine we offer right there with the richest schools in that regard.

How does recruiting work with baseball? Is it all about being aligned with certain travel ball organizations?
Or is it just a matter of small state, small population, so we are trying to get kids from 2-3 states away to play here? Seems this is the problem to me.

 

[8dog]

I've heard the same people complaining about waste that would complain about spending any kind of money. It's what they've been conditioned to do. Selmon isn't the bad guy some try to make him. You can talk to him almost anytime you want. I'm sure there's some waste like with any other large operation, but I see more positives than negatives with what's he's doing. My only problem is he had no experience, so he's learning on the job a bit just like everyone we hire these days. Another sign we lack the money we claim orrrr, we're just damn cheap as hell.

Well if we go forward with this multi million dollar IPF im out on him.

 

[maroonmania]

LOL. Cohen continues to 17 State two years after he left.

Yep, Cohen has to be the worst AD of my lifetime. Loses perhaps the best coach we've ever had in any sport (Schaefer) and hires some real duds plus left us WAY behind the 8 ball with NIL as he did basically no fundraising. Its pretty obvious that our 2021 baseball team was player led. Hiring Chris Jans may be one of the few positives but he still hasn't won an NCAA tourney game. He did get Leach on the backside of his career but with the way the Leach staff recruited coupled with Leach's passing its put us in the worst shape we've seen in football since the end of the JWS era. If we miss post-season play for a 3rd time in 4 years in baseball I don't see how we can keep Lemonis. I mean baseball is the one male sport we should still be a strong contender in but we aren't. But given the overall state of things I'm not sure we care that much about athletics any more anyway. Just takes too much money to keep up with the rest of the SEC.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Keenum is so overly conservative and of the Templeton mold that it's hurting us.

Mississippi State’s problem is that Mississippi State people are in charge of Mississippi State.

Here’s an Alternative Athletics Thesis:
What if Selmon isn’t a bad AD and is handcuffed (in not-quite PooPop style) by Mississippi State’s Culture?

 

[golferdog]

Everyone is in that boat. Everyone is spending more than they're taking in minus the true blue bloods and some of those are. We can't get stuck in the Templeton and Cohen mindsets here. We've got to do whatever it takes to stay at the top level of college athletics or we can move to CUSA.

Yeah but we have less revenue than most teams. And I’m talking about squandering money on things with no return. Hearing a lot of criticism on that.

And to stay at the top level of athletics we HAVE to make sure we can fully fund the max rev share. Don’t think we are quite there yet.

We have the money in baseball, just a bad coach. Get him out of here and we should compete in baseball. Basketball is ok, just keep it going. Football is the one where we are going to struggle unless a billionaire investor comes along.

 

[maroonmania]

How does recruiting work with baseball? Is it all about being aligned with certain travel ball organizations?
Or is it just a matter of small state, small population, so we are trying to get kids from 2-3 states away to play here? Seems this is the problem to me.

When every loss is by 1, 2 or 3 runs its more on coaching than talent. This team is prone to all kinds of screwups. Usually just enough of them to cost them the game.

 

[Xenomorph]

I have a friend who doesn’t work for athletics, but works closely with athletics. He told me that it’s unlikely Lemonis will be fired unless the season is a complete disaster. Said that the university is absolutely opposed to taking risks on anything, especially in athletics. Meanwhile, Ole Miss is taking risks on Kiffin and Beard and look where they’re at as opposed to us. We’re a boring school with a boring perception and you can thank Mark Keenum and Sid Salter for this schools continued demise.

This is all so dishearteningly true..

I work for a company that takes unbelievable risks practically every day and on the whole, it’s incredibly fun. Sure, it can be exhausting because we constantly need more people, more equipment and more sleep.. but by God we accomplish things in our industry that our competitors wouldn’t even attempt after they spent 3 board meetings and 10 zoom calls talking it to death. We see an opportunity and jump on it, confident the details will sort themselves out if we work hard enough.

In truth, I work for the anti-MSU.

 

[L4Dawg]

In today's environment money spent on any sport other than football and men's basketball is wasted money.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Well if we go forward with this multi million dollar IPF im out on him.

8dog, you're a knowledgeable guy with more common sense than most on here, so I don't want to argue with you about it. I'll just say this, money has to be invested in football because it got screwed over in the past in many ways. But I don't think the IPF will come unless football turns around or in the next 4 years. I think it was projected for 2028 but maybe wrong. I don't see that happening unless football makes a big jump or some big outside funds come in. Rumors are that there's money there for a good portion of it, and there's going to be some naming rights stuff coming for things too. MSU can increase revenue in a number of ways if we'll just modernize and do what we need to do instead of sitting on our hands and being conservative in every possible way. Our licensing group is the worst in America. We need forward thinking people, not stuck in the old State ways people.