Borrowing the Wet Blanket from Three Putt....

[DowntownDawg]

...Casey grew up in Oregon, played his college ball in Oregon, and has coached his entire career in Oregon.

They also announced in 2007 that their stadium would be expanding.

He also has a son that plays for him and is a sophomore this season.

Don't see how we get him, but I would love to.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Casey grew up in Oregon, played his college ball in Oregon, and has coached his entire career in Oregon.

They also announced in 2007 that their stadium would be expanding.

He also has a son that plays for him and is a sophomore this season.

Don't see how we get him, but I would love to.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Casey grew up in Oregon, played his college ball in Oregon, and has coached his entire career in Oregon.

They also announced in 2007 that their stadium would be expanding.

He also has a son that plays for him and is a sophomore this season.

Don't see how we get him, but I would love to.

 

[TR.sixpack]

Casey has a 10-year, $230,000 a year renewal deal with OSU. We compete money wise with that, but we can't sign more than a 4 year contract. Notre Dame offered him 300k and he turned them down.

 

[cowbell9]

that kinf of cheese would make Osama bin laden seriously consider moveing to Pheba,MS.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

Actually, I think we might go a little higher than that just to be competive with our neighbor to the Northwest -- since we are talking about a new coach.

 

[Xenomorph]

In the same year we're trying to go 1.6 for football and 1.2 for basketball (not to mention assistant coaches' raises along with the mythical basketball practice facility)... we can double our baseball coaches salary?

What is the name of this goose that is shitting golden eggs?

 

[DowntownDawg]

230,000 x 10 years = 2,300,000.00 + job security + new stadium + grew up, played, and coached in Oregon

vs.

500,000 x 4 years = 2,000,000.00 + less job security + warm weather and bigger crowds?

=

Casey not coming.

But 500k will get a lot of folks.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

You add up money will the skill of a doctor's wife.</p>

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

but don't think OSU won't rip that 10 year contract to shreds if Casey should begin to not perform. Conversely, the 4 year limit imposed by the MS IHL is no big deal if he does perform. All he needs is 5 years at MSU to surpass what he would make in 10 years at OSU and I would venture to guess that $2M+ goes a lot farther in MS than it does in Oregon in terms of cost of living. Besides, he can easily create all the job security he needs at MSU.

 

[davatron]

500,000 x 4 years = 2,000,000.00 + <span style="font-weight: bold;">less job security</span> + warm weather and bigger crowds?

Less job security? What? Please explain.

 

[MSUCostanza]

with that math equation?

500K > 230K.

 

[8dog]

a coach after 4 years? Something tells me a guy that has been to 3 straight CWS with 2 nat'l titles is not too worried about underperformance.

 

[DowntownDawg]

Or are you too stupid to realize that 10 years > 4 years.

 

[dawgstudent]

I would take 4 years at 500K over 10 years at 230k any day of the week.

 

[DowntownDawg]

who has won them 2 national championships probably has all the job security he wants, not to mention that he's got 10 years on paper.

Conversely, he wasn't won anything at Mississippi State, and I would hope we wouldn't give him extra time based on national championships won elsewhere.

In other words, he can suck longer at OSU because of what he has done for them, not to mention a bigger contract.

If he won a national championship at State, he'd have a job as long as he wanted it, but I'd like to think we'd have kicked any other coach besides Polk to the curb for the job he's done (with the exception of the two week run last year).

In still other words, he's earned his job security at OSU, he'd have to earn it at State.

 

[dudehead]

why can't we raise enough money for an MSU Lucky Day scholarship fund for baseball? it really surprises me that MSU doesn't have the baseball $upport to fund a Lucky day or lotto fund. What am I missing?

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

that a contract is really only a piece of paper in today's athletic landscape, don't you? Casey would have to last 9 seasons at OSU to make more than he would in 4 at MSU if we accept the 500K/yr hypothetical. After only 5 years at MSU, he would have more than he would have in 10 years at OSU. Half the time & more money. Are you beginning to understand? He would get 4 years at a minimum to produce based on the way this season is going. All he has to do is have enough success to get one more year. The math isn't hard to figure out.

 

[Paper Dog]

Polk's total package is at 600K, once you include clothing, radio, etc

So I wonder what is Casey's total package once you add everything in together

 

[TR.sixpack]

firing coaches after a couple of years. Expectations will be high for the next coach, but I see him getting five years, unless he totally tanks.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...but not with the other factors thrown in.

In other words, you couldn't convince me to leave my home and family, cause my son to have to transfer, leave a job that I can have for a long, long time if I want it where I am a hero to a place that I am unfamiliar with for less total guaranteed money.

All things being equal, it's a different story. But I was trying to show that it's less total guaranteed money, plus a lot of other factors.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

In still other words, he's earned his job security at OSU, he'd have to earn it at State.

I promise you he can do it at MSU. He would have us in a regional at worst by year 3 which would earn him another year beyond year 4. 5 years is all it takes to surpass 10 years of earnings at OSU based on this scenario.

 

[MSUCostanza]

you are too stupid to understand that the odds of him staying all 10 years of his contract are pretty slim. Do you follow sports at all? How many coaches sign contracts and fulfill them? 10% maybe? And, follow me here, if he coached 5 years at State, he'd make more than he would coaching 10 at Oregon State. Starting to sink in?

Plus, you bring up moving his family? Seriously Clark? He's a college coach. His family knows that he's going to have to move around the country if he wants to reach the top of his profession.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...the money + the other factors = he ain't coming. I'd love for him to. Even if we offered him 10 years at 500k, I still doubt we get him because of the other factors that I posted. There is not enough of a difference in the money to outweigh the rest of it.

 

[8dog]

comes from a huge donation and the funds are available to anyone that qualifies. It is not a scholarship available to baseball players only as that would count as one of the 11.7. Lucky Day and Lottery scholarships are the result of interest off huge sums of money. The amount we are talking about is peanuts compared to what it takes to establish those scholarships.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

that you can't permit scholarships by another means to baseball players simply to avoid the NCAA's scholarhip rules.</p>

 

[patdog]

you couldn't convince me to leave my home and family

I'm pretty sure we would give him the option of bringing his family with him.</p>

 

[DowntownDawg]

two time defending national champion coach is already at the top of his profession. Seriously, how does going to Mississippi State put him more at the top of his profession than he is now? Does winning the SEC trump winning the national championship?

Your statement would make sense if he was at a small program that couldn't compete with the big boys. He just won two national championships in his home state.

And since he's been there 12 years, I'd say the odds are pretty good that he is going to stay home close to another 10. I mean, it's not exactly Bobby Petrino we're dealing with here. The man has never left his home state in a professional capacity.

Oh yeah, I guess I have to call you moron or something since that is a prerequisite of communication with you.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...as in extended family. Not wife and kids. And he can bring the whole state of Oregon with him for all I care. I'd absolutely love to get him, but I don't see it happening.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

other than your obvious problems with the time value of money, which I enjoy goodnaturedly ribbing you about, you come down on the side of security over greed. That's just the way you are wired. But, don't assume everyone is wired that way. There is at least a chance this guy thinks he can nut up and perform the way he is right now anywhere he goes. And why not do that and make a lot more money?

Then, he might be a little reserved about moving out of the comfortable situation he finds himself in. Never know.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

on the 4 years @500K vs. 10 years @230K, I can understand and accept your logic.

However, this...

Even if we offered him 10 years at 500k, I still doubt we get him because of the other factors that I posted. There is not enough of a difference in the money to outweigh the rest of it.

So 2.3 mil over 10 years vs. 5 mil over 10 years is not enough difference in the money to outweigh moving away from extended family? Jeebus, for that kind of cash, he could move his whole damn family tree to MS & they could all live quite comfortably.

The basis of your position has some merit, but this post seems like you are beginning to defend the point just because you made it and you don't want to back away from it.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...but, I do think that the rest of the equation is a big part of it. If he had a history of moving around like Petrino, that would be one thing.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...we could get him if he was simply tired of it and wanted a new challenge. That's a possibility. And I would give that more weight if he was, say, a Florida native that had been in Oregon for years. But he is at home. That would be a big deal to me. And that is how I'm wired, but I sure wish we'd get him.

If Byrne was able to pull that off, put his name of the damn stadium.

"Byrne-Dement." Not bad.

 

[davatron]

right out of my mouth. Hell he'd probably get a contract extension for a losing season. Job security isn't an issue here.

 

[Stormrider81]

Most successful coaches believe they can win anywhere. That's why you see guys like Pitino, Spurrier, Saban, Montgomery, Petrino, etc jump from the college ranks to the pro ranks, even though they end up failing. They firmly believed they could win and win big at the next level. That's why you see guys leave their current secure jobs for high risk/high reward jobs.

As far as leaving home goes, people thought Rich Rodriguez wouldn't leave West Virginia due to his school and family ties there, but he jumped at the chance to coach Michigan. He had as much job security as you could hope for in the current college football landscape at WV but still opted to leave in favor of Michigan. Granted it's not a direct comparison because he hadn't won a national title and our baseball program hasn't either, but it is a good example of a guy leaving home and family for what could be deemed a better job.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

I think there is also the element that his University really didn't support him to the extent he wanted them to. I think he was WV's to lose, and they indeed did lose him. Whether it is because they simply couldn't afford to keep him or they just overplayed their "home" hand, I don't know.

 

[MSUCE99]

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...as in extended family. Not wife and kids. And he can bring the whole state of Oregon with him for all I care. I'd absolutely love to get him, but I don't see it happening.

Are his in-laws in Oregon. Cause it is not INconceivable for me (hypothetically) to take a raise in pay to move across the country farther away from mine.
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[DowntownDawg]

...Michigan football >>> MState baseball.

 

[patdog]

But my basic point is that surprisingly, it's really not all that uncommon for a coach to leave his home state. Especially for a higher paying job at a shcool with better facilities. In fact, I don't know if we have a head coach in any sport right now who is from Mississippi.

 

[MSUCostanza]

I mean professional baseball. If he wanted a shot at the pros one day, he'd need to move on and win somewhere else. Perhaps he feels he's accomplished everything he can out there and wants a new challenge? You make a lot of assumptions about a guy to just say he won't be interested because he's already home.