Brandon Smith declares for the NFL

PSUJam

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You know that
If you can teach tackling then Smith is a horrible student or Franklin and gang are horrible coaches. Because Smith May be the worst tackler I’ve seen in 50 or so years of following Penn State football. My guess is if he can tackle in college he won’t be able to tackle in the NFL. In either case I won’t miss him taking up space on the PSU defense.
The LB coach is gone, correct?
 

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Yep, premier athlete and very average football player.

As opposed to Parsons, who is a freak athlete, and a premier football player.

If we have a good athlete that is a good football player to replace Smith, we'll break even....

If we have a very good athlete that is a very good football player, we'll be ahead!!
And the missed tackles turn that very good athlete to average at best.
One thing I hope is that some of the immaturity goes away. Had some killer penalties over the years of the extracurricular variety. Some unwarranted, most warranted.
 

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If you can teach tackling then Smith is a horrible student or Franklin and gang are horrible coaches. Because Smith May be the worst tackler I’ve seen in 50 or so years of following Penn State football. My guess is if he can tackle in college he won’t be able to tackle in the NFL. In either case I won’t miss him taking up space on the PSU defense.
Watch by mid season next year he will be a great tackler. Hmmm, what is the variable here we can pinpoint?
 

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Don’t disagree with most of your post, but your last sentence would lead anyone draftable to conclude he’s ready to enter the draft.
The players now are allowed to have agents. It's not like the old days when the player had to wait until after the season to get feedback from the NFL scouts to see where they are projected to go in the draft. Of course the agents are going to push for the NFL because that's where they make their money but if they send a kid too early they lose out as much as the player. It's filthy but it's where we're at right now. I would assume he was told where he fits now by his agent that's in touch with NFL scouts. I may be completely off but that's my take.
 
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Freak athlete. Played hard. Had trouble putting the landing gear down in space to make the tackle. Should test well at combine. To me he is cam brown 2.0. Wish him all the best.
Good assessment. Made some good plays but missed too many tackles trying to unload on someone rather than pursue under control and simply make the tackle. Contrast that with Sean Lee who almost never missed a tackle in space. Good luck to him.
 

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I’m sure someone will step up with bad fundamentals and missed tackles. Have faith.
Was Brandon in a position to make the many tackles he missed? If so, maybe Brandon is a smarter LB than WE give credit. If tackling is the problem, it will be a do or die situation at the next level for Brandon....I believe he will learn quickly
 
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The players now are allowed to have agents. It's not like the old days when the player had to wait until after the season to get feedback from the NFL scouts to see where they are projected to go in the draft. Of course the agents are going to push for the NFL because that's where they make their money but if they send a kid too early they lose out as much as the player. It's filthy but it's where we're at right now. I would assume he was told where he fits now by his agent that's in touch with NFL scouts. I may be completely off but that's my take.
Yeah I agree with this. 100%.
I just, from the earlier post, thought that the idea of everyone improving once they get to the NFL, while true (or for 98% of guys, and some much more marginally than others), should just be justification for everyone to declare.
I think that there are some people who wildly improve their stock with even just one more college season (think Kenny Pickett). While I know I’m in the minority here, I think that had Micah played a season last year, he too would have improved his stock, and first contract, by several millions of dollars. I understand he was planned to be used much more like the Cowboys have, as a rusher at times, etc. I just don’t see how he doesn’t crack into the top 5-10 at a minimum had he done so.
The rebuttal to that is 2-fold: what if he got hurt, and what if the improvement is from the NFL coaching. The injury concern is valid, though that could be mitigated with insurance that many players take out, I don’t buy that he just became this guy in the last 8 months. He could have been doing what he’s been doing as a pass rusher for years in college, and I have been led to believe by the guys who cover the team that was the plan in 2020. Had he done so, you have to think he’s looking at being drafted more in the Bosa/Von Miller slot of top 5 than sliding to 12.
 
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Yeah I agree with this. 100%.
I just, from the earlier post, thought that the idea of everyone improving once they get to the NFL, while true (or for 98% of guys, and some much more marginally than others), should just be justification for everyone to declare.
I think that there are some people who wildly improve their stock with even just one more college season (think Kenny Pickett). While I know I’m in the minority here, I think that had Micah played a season last year, he too would have improved his stock, and first contract, by several millions of dollars. I understand he was planned to be used much more like the Cowboys have, as a rusher at times, etc. I just don’t see how he doesn’t crack into the top 5-10 at a minimum had he done so.
The rebuttal to that is 2-fold: what if he got hurt, and what if the improvement is from the NFL coaching. The injury concern is valid, though that could be mitigated with insurance that many players take out, I don’t buy that he just became this guy in the last 8 months. He could have been doing what he’s been doing as a pass rusher for years in college, and I have been led to believe by the guys who cover the team that was the plan in 2020. Had he done so, you have to think he’s looking at being drafted more in the Bosa/Von Miller slot of top 5 than sliding to 12.
It could also be argued that if Oweh opted out of 2020 he may have been drafted higher in the first round.
 

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Was Brandon in a position to make the many tackles he missed? If so, maybe Brandon is a smarter LB than WE give credit. If tackling is the problem, it will be a do or die situation at the next level for Brandon....I believe he will learn quickly
We’ll see.
 
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It could also be argued that if Oweh opted out of 2020 he may have been drafted higher in the first round.
Oh absolutely. But I think, just me subjectively looking from their prior production before 2020, Micah got drafted at his floor from the enormous presence he had at ILB at PSU (and I think he got drafted at about as high an ILB could get drafted these days, at 12), whereas Oweh got drafted at his production ceiling. Barring seeing more from him, he was always in that top 4-6 ish edge but at the back end because the measurements were there in every way but production wasn’t (even in 19).
If that made any sense. I tend to ramble about.
 

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Why Brandon can’t tackle, it’s one of three reasons;
A. The coaches never taught him.
B. They taught him but he’s too stupid to learn.
C. He knows how but loves the big hit because it’s a crowd pleaser that generates attention.
1. If A the coaches in the League will correct it.
2. If B he won’t play in the League.
3. If C and he doesn’t change he won’t play in the League.
If you’re still reading this;
A. You have no life.
B. You’re a glutton for punishment.
C. You find nonsensical ramblings interesting.
 
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Why Brandon can’t tackle, it’s one of three reasons;
A. The coaches never taught him.
B. They taught him but he’s too stupid to learn.
C. He knows how but loves the big hit because it’s a crowd pleaser that generates attention.
1. If A the coaches in the League will correct it.
2. If B he won’t play in the League.
3. If C and he doesn’t change he won’t play in the League.
If you’re still reading this;
A. You have no life.
B. You’re a glutton for punishment.
C. You find nonsensical ramblings interesting.
A. You have no life.
B. You’re a glutton for punishment.
C. You find nonsensical ramblings interesting.
D. All of the above.
 

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This thread derailed rather spectacularly….

Shocked Schitts Creek GIF by CBC
 
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Seems to me like he’s a physical specimen who impresses in appearance and will be great at the combine. But, if you see his tape, it doesn’t impress. I’m not sure what call there is for a linebacker who can’t tackle, doesn’t have a nose for the ball and rarely makes a big play, let alone can take over a game. As I’ve said before, I would have traded him in a heartbeat for Tim Shaw, Mac Morrison, Mauti or a dozen other guys. A big difference between a great athlete and a football player. No tears here.
Reminds me of Devin Bush
 
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Honest question. Which recent Brandon Smith LB was the better player at Penn State?

My pick— #47
 
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