Brown and Wesley sentenced........
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are on probation (doesn't that go along with a supspended sentence.) I don't see how you can have guys on probation on your team. Now, I am ignoring past practice, here, because I don't know what that is.
Actually, I do come down on the side of a suspended sentence and probation, because they did somethign stupid and perhaps probation is the best way to go with these guys and keep an eye on them.
However, they are convicts, and shouldn't be on the team. It's a hard lesson to learn. But, it is a damn game. And playing is optional.
Edited to say: I am not sure someone on probation should be permitted to attend the University either. I would think they could be considered for re-admission pending completion of probation and a favorable report from their probation officer.
Actually, I do come down on the side of a suspended sentence and probation, because they did somethign stupid and perhaps probation is the best way to go with these guys and keep an eye on them.
However, they are convicts, and shouldn't be on the team. It's a hard lesson to learn. But, it is a damn game. And playing is optional.
Edited to say: I am not sure someone on probation should be permitted to attend the University either. I would think they could be considered for re-admission pending completion of probation and a favorable report from their probation officer.
Would the University even allow them to re-enroll???? Weren't they immediately expelled? Firing a gun on a college campus is some serious ****.
then we could go on a little recruiting spree and assemble quite the team. Perrilloux for starters.
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Ole Miss Grad
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A couple of years ago, I think there were 9 MSU players on legal probation.
So it didn't affect them being on the team at that time.
So it didn't affect them being on the team at that time.
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JR
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just sayin....They also cant vote, own guns or any of other perks of citizenship.
Now from a moral standpoint, no they shouldnt be put on the team. Generally if you are having your way paid for in life, and you put the lives of people (or thier children) in danger....you dont get a do over.
Sorry, but I dont feel like paying to turn MSU into dodge city.
So, not NO, but HELL NO.
Now from a moral standpoint, no they shouldnt be put on the team. Generally if you are having your way paid for in life, and you put the lives of people (or thier children) in danger....you dont get a do over.
Sorry, but I dont feel like paying to turn MSU into dodge city.
So, not NO, but HELL NO.
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Goat Holder
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Is just that... A SUSPENDED sentence. It basically means you got the sentence but you don't have to serve it. It is NOT the same thing as probation. These guys shouldn't have any restrictions on going out of state or the such since it wasn't specified. Unfortunately suspended sentences are becoming the norm as most holding facilities don't have room for some of the more petty crimes.
As for letting them back in school and back on campus... I would consider giving them another chance football players or not... But as the coach and/or even the school officials, I'd enforce my own probation and rules on what was and was not allowed.
From wikipedia:
<p style="font-style: italic;">A suspended sentence is a legal construct. Unless a minimum punishment is prescribed by law, the court has the power to suspend the passing of sentence (generally for a period of three years) and place the offender on probation. It is the passing of the sentence, not the sentence itself, that is being suspended. This means that if the person is convicted of another offence during the period when the passing of sentence had been suspended, then the person may be sentenced for the original offence.</p> <p style="font-style: italic;">Suspended sentence is necessary for probation, but in cases where the penalty is recorded as suspended sentence it is often given to mitigate the effect of the penalty. It is common practice for judges to hand down a suspended sentence to first-time offenders who have committed a minor crime, and for prosecutors to recommend a suspended sentence as part of a plea bargain.</p> <p style="font-style: italic;">In Canada, a suspended sentence still results in a criminal record even though it is possible that no time is served or other penalty incurred.</p>
As for letting them back in school and back on campus... I would consider giving them another chance football players or not... But as the coach and/or even the school officials, I'd enforce my own probation and rules on what was and was not allowed.
From wikipedia:
<p style="font-style: italic;">A suspended sentence is a legal construct. Unless a minimum punishment is prescribed by law, the court has the power to suspend the passing of sentence (generally for a period of three years) and place the offender on probation. It is the passing of the sentence, not the sentence itself, that is being suspended. This means that if the person is convicted of another offence during the period when the passing of sentence had been suspended, then the person may be sentenced for the original offence.</p> <p style="font-style: italic;">Suspended sentence is necessary for probation, but in cases where the penalty is recorded as suspended sentence it is often given to mitigate the effect of the penalty. It is common practice for judges to hand down a suspended sentence to first-time offenders who have committed a minor crime, and for prosecutors to recommend a suspended sentence as part of a plea bargain.</p> <p style="font-style: italic;">In Canada, a suspended sentence still results in a criminal record even though it is possible that no time is served or other penalty incurred.</p>
how are they going to come up with that jack to pay the fine if they let them back on the team?......
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Ole Miss Grad
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Apparently that rule doesn't apply to USM since they signed someone guilty of murder or manslaughter and another one for statuatory rape.
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JR
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signed and enrolled someone convicted of murder. I am calling BS on that one.
As for manslaughter and statutory rape, I am not a lawyer and thats why I said "generally", but I dont think you can even ENROLL in a public university if you have a felony conviction, much less get state assistance to do so.
But you could link something and prove me wrong.
As for manslaughter and statutory rape, I am not a lawyer and thats why I said "generally", but I dont think you can even ENROLL in a public university if you have a felony conviction, much less get state assistance to do so.
But you could link something and prove me wrong.
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and they called MSU players thugs during JWS's era?
Wow only at USM, ....and I mean literally only at USM...because no one else would touch this kid.
Wow only at USM, ....and I mean literally only at USM...because no one else would touch this kid.
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Ole Miss Grad
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The statuatory rape guy was the receiver from South Mississippi. George County maybe? I can't remember his name.
Seems like Easterling also had a felony.</p>
Seems like Easterling also had a felony.</p>
but apparently not convicted:
Southern Mississippi running back Antwain Easterling, who was indefinitely suspended on Feb. 19 for a violation of team rules, won't return to the program, a person close to the situation said Monday.
Easterling was a highly touted running back from Miami Northwestern High School who came to Southern Miss after being involved in a sex scandal that was covered up by high school officials.
Easterling was charged with second-degree lewd and lascivious battery on a minor after he had sex with a 14-year-old girl in a school bathroom when he was 18.
He was suspended indefinitely from the team by coach Larry Fedora on Feb. 19 for a violation of team rules. Last week, Fedora told the Hattiesburg American that Easterling remained suspended despite the fact the school's Registrar's Office said he was no longer enrolled.
"I didn't know he wasn't in school, but nothing has changed on his status," Fedora said. "You don't have to be in school to play in the fall, just as long as you're eligible."
Easterling, who ran for 85 yards on 16 carries in two games as a freshman, avoided jail with a pretrial diversion program.
Southern Mississippi running back Antwain Easterling, who was indefinitely suspended on Feb. 19 for a violation of team rules, won't return to the program, a person close to the situation said Monday.
Easterling was a highly touted running back from Miami Northwestern High School who came to Southern Miss after being involved in a sex scandal that was covered up by high school officials.
Easterling was charged with second-degree lewd and lascivious battery on a minor after he had sex with a 14-year-old girl in a school bathroom when he was 18.
He was suspended indefinitely from the team by coach Larry Fedora on Feb. 19 for a violation of team rules. Last week, Fedora told the Hattiesburg American that Easterling remained suspended despite the fact the school's Registrar's Office said he was no longer enrolled.
"I didn't know he wasn't in school, but nothing has changed on his status," Fedora said. "You don't have to be in school to play in the fall, just as long as you're eligible."
Easterling, who ran for 85 yards on 16 carries in two games as a freshman, avoided jail with a pretrial diversion program.
What the hell? So as long as a player was eligible to play after the spring semester, they can play in the fall even if they are not enrolled in school? Tell me Fedora is off his rocker or just misspoke. IF what he said is true, the NCAA is a bunch of hypocritical bastards to implement the APR policy yet allow this to happen.
over time. As long as they make a good faith effort, they could probably get the entire suspended sentence to pay for it.
As for your response to me earlier in the thread. There are convicted felons enrolled every semester. Many the university doesn't know about. Some it does. Some of these students are involved in activities. Bottom line is they get a second chance. Only difference with Brown and Wesley is that everybody knows and it wouldn't play well in the media and on the internet.
I think they should get another chance, but they won't so it doesn't matter what I think anyway.
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As for your response to me earlier in the thread. There are convicted felons enrolled every semester. Many the university doesn't know about. Some it does. Some of these students are involved in activities. Bottom line is they get a second chance. Only difference with Brown and Wesley is that everybody knows and it wouldn't play well in the media and on the internet.
I think they should get another chance, but they won't so it doesn't matter what I think anyway.
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