Brutal sack-by-sack breakdown from the UNC game (warning: do not read if you struggle with depression)

[18IsTheMan]

This breakdown made me nauseous. When you say someone got pushed around, you don't often mean it literally. But our OL quite literally got pushed around. Notable excerpts:

"Like every other sack so far, South Carolina’s offensive line allows itself to be pushed so far back from the start of the play."

"From left to right, here is how far behind the line of scrimmage each Gamecock offensive lineman is when they first make contact with a defender:
Hughes: six
Gargiulo and Lee: three
Moore: three
Wannamaker: four or five"

"Rattler is sacked again (attempting to throw the ball away), having had virtually no time to look for a receiver before being forced to run away from the defender."

"Before any defenders make it past South Carolina’s offensive line, they push the unit back about six or seven yards behind the start of the play."

"Garguilo and Fugar double team Rucker and lose. Moore and Wannamaker double team Gainer and lose. Both Rucker and Gainer get hands on Rattler, but Rucker secures the sack."

The UNC DL was routinely pushing our DL several yards behind the LOS. And on the one in the second excerpt above, they are several yards behind the line before they even make contact with a defender. What?!?!? From the last excerpt above, UNC beat TWO double teams on the same play.

I hope I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound fixable. It sounds like we are just physically weak, and I don't know how you fix that at this point. No push by the line...at all. We were actually retreating. I had almost talked myself into believing work the kinks out, but this is a dadgum depressing read.

https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article279000214.html

 

[Prestonyte]

Can't wait for the UGA game.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Can't wait for the UGA game.

From that breakdown, it does not sound like technique. Just sounds like we are weak.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

This breakdown made me nauseous. When you say someone got pushed around, you don't often mean it literally. But our OL quite literally got pushed around. Notable excerpts:

"Like every other sack so far, South Carolina’s offensive line allows itself to be pushed so far back from the start of the play."

"From left to right, here is how far behind the line of scrimmage each Gamecock offensive lineman is when they first make contact with a defender:
Hughes: six
Gargiulo and Lee: three
Moore: three
Wannamaker: four or five"

"Rattler is sacked again (attempting to throw the ball away), having had virtually no time to look for a receiver before being forced to run away from the defender."

"Before any defenders make it past South Carolina’s offensive line, they push the unit back about six or seven yards behind the start of the play."

"Garguilo and Fugar double team Rucker and lose. Moore and Wannamaker double team Gainer and lose. Both Rucker and Gainer get hands on Rattler, but Rucker secures the sack."

The UNC DL was routinely pushing our DL several yards behind the LOS. And on the one in the second excerpt above, they are several yards behind the line before they even make contact with a defender. What?!?!? From the last excerpt above, UNC beat TWO double teams on the same play.

I hope I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound fixable. It sounds like we are just physically weak, and I don't know how you fix that at this point. No push by the line...at all. We were actually retreating. I had almost talked myself into believing work the kinks out, but this is a dadgum depressing read.

https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article279000214.html

only laughing at the DO Not Read if you suffer from depression.

 

[18IsTheMan]

only laughing at the DO Not Read if you suffer from depression.

If you don't laugh, you'll cry.

 

[muscleknight]

I've seen some really big guys in the gym get out lifted by guys half their size. Just because they are big doesn't mean they are strong.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I've seen some really big guys in the gym get out lifted by guys half their size. Just because they are big doesn't mean they are strong.

I suppose it lines up with what a UNC player said about us being soft.

I guess the hope is that it was such an abysmal performance that it forces drastic changes. It's one thing to underperform. It's another to get utterly humiliated on national tv.

 

[Augesco]

From what I can saw in the re-watch, tackles were just immediately giving up a ton of ground, Hughes being the biggest offender at LT, often 5+ yards deep before contact and opening up a lane between himself and LG. But the others were only marginally better.

Primarily responsible for sack/pocket collapsing leading to sack:
Wannamaker: 4, confused, indecisive, letting defenders run by, not picking up LBs
Fugar: 2, looked weak, offered no resistance to bull rush.
Hughes: 2, More Technique, Bailing backwards from the line before contact, making it each for DL to get a full head of speed and push him into Rattler or cut back inside.

Need to get reps for Moore/Gargiulo atTackle, along with the freshmen. Wannamaker and Fugar need to be benched. Of the 3, I'd give Hughes another chance if they can stop him bailing out.

 

[18IsTheMan]

From what I can saw in the re-watch, tackles were just immediately giving up a ton of ground, Hughes being the biggest offender at LT, often 5+ yards deep before contact and opening up a lane between himself and LG. But the others were only marginally better.

Primarily responsible for sack/pocket collapsing leading to sack:
Wannamaker: 4, confused, indecisive, letting defenders run by, not picking up LBs
Fugar: 2, looked weak, offered no resistance to bull rush.
Hughes: 2, More Technique, Bailing backwards from the line before contact, making it each for DL to get a full head of speed and push him into Rattler or cut back inside.

Need to get reps for Moore/Gargiulo atTackle, along with the freshmen. Wannamaker and Fugar need to be benched. Of the 3, I'd give Hughes another chance if they can stop him bailing out.

In your opinion, how fixable is it? It's one thing to just get beat off the line. It's another to be regularly giving up ground before contact.

 

[Tngamecock]

From that breakdown, it does not sound like technique. Just sounds like we are weak.

I played oline…..it’s technique, grit, desire, want to, meanness, toughness, anger, and focus all rolled into one. You miss any of those components and you lose.

if you get beat off the line of scrimmage, you better monkey crawl, dive at legs of whatever you need to do. You can’t double team and one person go low, but if you are engaged 1 on 1 do what you must to open holes and buy time.

 

[Tngamecock]

Our oline coach taught us to initiate contact on pass plays then break down to chop stepping as we were engaged to the rusher with a low base. Works 90% of the time if you have an ounce of skill. I love today’s brilliant technique of back peddling from the get go. You are asking a rushing defender to push you backwards. But all the brilliance of today’s world cannot see it.

You want good oline play, initiate contact at the snap of the ball instead of having a debate about who you should block.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Our oline coach taught us to initiate contact on pass plays then break down to chop stepping as we were engaged to the rusher with a low base. Works 90% of the time if you have an ounce of skill. I love today’s brilliant technique of back peddling from the get go. You are asking a rushing defender to push you backwards. But all the brilliance of today’s world cannot see it.

You want good oline play, initiate contact at the snap of the ball instead of having a debate about who you should block.

I don't recall the context, and I know it's an oversimplification, but I recall a coach in a presser once responding to poor OL play and saying something to the effect "just hit the guy in front of you". Again, I know it can be an oversimplification, but I think the gist was to not make it seem more complicated than it has to be.

 

[Tngamecock]

I don't recall the context, and I know it's an oversimplification, but I recall a coach in a presser once responding to poor OL play and saying something to the effect "just hit the guy in front of you". Again, I know it can be an oversimplification, but I think the gist was to not make it seem more complicated than it has to be.

It was truly that. I think everyone has out thought themselves these days and think they are brilliant with defensive and offensive schemes. The bottom line is you as the lineman know where the ball is supposed to go and whether or not it’s a running play or a pass play. The most dangerous guy for you to do your job is the one in front of you or closest to you. You practice all week if someone drops down in the gap between you and another lineman who should take that person. It is truly truly not that hard if you hit somebody. For the last five years I have watched three Olineman look at a rushing Dlineman as they blow right past them. Each person looking at the other like weren’t you supposed to hit him. I truly find it amazing three people can beat five (or four can beat five) every play.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It was truly that. I think everyone has out thought themselves these days and think they are brilliant with defensive and offensive schemes. The bottom line is you as the lineman know where the ball is supposed to go and whether or not it’s a running play or a pass play. The most dangerous guy for you to do your job is the one in front of you or closest to you. You practice all week if someone drops down in the gap between you and another lineman who should take that person. It is truly truly not that hard if you hit somebody. For the last five years I have watched three Olineman look at a rushing Dlineman as they blow right past them. Each person looking at the other like weren’t you supposed to hit him. I truly find it amazing three people can beat five (or four can beat five) every play.

The mystifying thing to me is that we lost 2 double-teams on the same play.

 

[Prestonyte]

Beat the man you are supposed to block - just win your individual battle on each play!

 

[Deleted11512]

The answer is pretty clear....be a dog.