Buy/Sell J-Money is best BBall player in MSU History....

[fishwater99]

Sell

Howell, Malone, Dampier, Roberts to name a few were better..

If he comes back and improves his ball handling skills(turnovers), shot selection, and outside shot, you never know..

 

[fishwater99]

Sell

Howell, Malone, Dampier, Roberts to name a few were better..

If he comes back and improves his ball handling skills(turnovers), shot selection, and outside shot, you never know..

 

[fishwater99]

Sell

Howell, Malone, Dampier, Roberts to name a few were better..

If he comes back and improves his ball handling skills(turnovers), shot selection, and outside shot, you never know..

 

[GOPdog]

Bailey Howell hands down.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

debating Jamont's position in the line up of the best. And I am all about debating who the best was.

But, the buy/sell that Jamont is the best ever: I, for one, find that ridiculous.

 

[OEMDawg]

in modern college basketball yes. Huge buy. Howell probably but many if us weren't alive to see it. Besides bball with no shot clock or 3 point line is a completely different game. Dampier? Great defender and dunker, but he couldn't shoot beyond 5 feet and didnt learn to catch a pass till his junior year. Some of you Jamont haters need a new hobby.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

But, you know there are grey areas. Right? Just because you don't think Jamont is the best player in modern history, etc. doesn't mean you are Jamont hater. Damn.

 

[Coach34]

give me Darryl Wilson over Jamont any day

 

[8dog]

one thing....shooting the basketball. He's better at shooting than Jamont is at anything, but Jamont is really good at several things and is a huge difference maker on a team. If you take next year's team with Wilson vs. next year's team with Jamont, the team with Jamont is going to win more game.

 

[Hanmudog]

I am on record as saying Gordon is ONE of the best we have ever had at MSU and the career records bear that out. HOWEVER, Bailey Howell is without a doubt the best ever at MSU. On one hand you can say that Howell played in a different era but imagine what his stats would look like if teams were not able to hold the ball for 2-3 minutes at a time against him.
I...cough.....cough... do agree...cough....with Coach34 about Wilson. He was the most clutch, dependable, toughest player ever in the modern era. Jeff Malone was surrounded by pretty crappy players so it is hard to tell with him.</p>

 

[DowntownDawg]

...on Super D because he was a much better leader, he was much more clutch, and had more of the intangibles that Jamont doesn't have.

Nobody could say that Darryl was more talented than Ja$, but if this were a question of talent, Mr. Jones would've run circles around Jamont.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

the real question though is where do you think Jamont will get drafted this year if he forgoes his senior year?

Also, since he is a really good college PG, how does that help or hurt his draft status?

One last question: Would Jamont be better off staying at PG or moving back to his natural position of power forward aka the three (sic)?

Inquiring minds really want to know.

/Heavy sarcasm (just in case you missed it fish).

 

[bulldogcountry1]

in 96? give me him or zimmerman any day over jamont.

 

[Coach34]

Gordon hasnt. Why? Defenses had to pay so much attention to Wilson because he could fill it up. Dampier wasnt much help on offense, Russell Walters? The same.</p>

I know one thing, had Wilson been on this years team instead of Gordon, they wouldnt have been an 8 seed. They would have been at worst a 4</p>

 

[Hanmudog]

At the end of games we did not need plays. Just throw it to Wilson and let him knock down free throws which he made 90% of the time. I do agree however that Wilson was not a player that could carry an entire team game in and game out or do all the things that Jamont does. He did benefit from having a great team around him and was not counted on to rebound, pass, score, and guard the other team's best player.

 

[8dog]

we wouldn't have had a point guard. If all our teams need is a shooter, then yes, give me Darryl Wilson all day. But next year, we need a scorer, someone to run the point and an all around threat like Gordon.

Defenses had to pay so much attention to Wilson because he could fill it up

I would say defenses pay plenty of attention to Gordon. He can get in the lane anytime he wants to. When he plays his best, he knows when to go to the rim and when to kick it.

Wilson went to the Sweet 16 because he was a great shooter and was surrounded by one of the best big men we've ever had regardless of age, one of the best true point guards we've ever had, Marcus Grant and Brian Price who weren't too bad and Bullard who was a beast as well. That was a really good team. You also have to remember that Williams was willing to run plays, including many a staggered screen, to get Wilson open. Its not like he was great at creating his own shot.

 

[patdog]

I know one thing, had Wilson been on this years team instead of Gordon, they wouldnt have been an 8 seed. They would have been at worst a 4</p>

Just a slight disagreement there. If Wilson had been on this team instead of Gordon, Wilson would have had to play the point, and he wouldn't be as much of a scoring threat from that position. Now, if Wilson had been on this year's team instead of Hansbrough or Stewart, we'd have had another Final Four on our hands.</p>

 

[Hanmudog]

You had to go and say something stupid. No way our team is a 4 seed with Wilson instead of Gordon unless you were referring to an NIT 4 seed. As good as Wilson was he could not rebound, play defense, or handle the ball like Gordon does. Also we would have gotten killed against big guards if we trotted out Hansbrough, Stewart, and Wilson in the back court.

 

[dawgman42]

Darryl was good at more than just shooting. That boy could drive the lane among the "trees" and score or draw the foul quite well. And when on the line, he was almost always money. On defense, he was not as athletic as Jamont, but how many times did he draw charges at crucial times?

Super D wasn't too bad a ball handler, either. I'd take Darryl over Jamont just about any day of the week.

 

[Bulldog Backer]

...I'll give my list here:

1. Rickey Brown.
2. Ray White
3. Jeff Malone
4. Erick Dampier

and for kicks:

5. Dontae' Jones.

and probably:

6. Bailey Howell, even though he played back in the late 1950's.

Darryl Wilson was a pure shooter, gutty little defender, but wasn't as good as Jamoney.

 

[Coach34]

we are talking about who you would rather have- and 10 times out of 10 give me Super D. His offensive impact is > Gordon. My gosh man, we went to a Sweet 16 with BP, Grant, Wilson, Honore, and Dampier. Bullard was a freshman and Walters off the bench. Swat's impact has been even more than Dampier's, and Rhodes was a helluva lot better than Price. And if you want Gordon over Wilson, why was this years team an 8 seed?

"You also have to remember that Williams was willing to run plays, including many a staggered screen, to get Wilson open. Its not like he was great at creating his own shot."

That is called coaching...something we are sorely missing these days

 

[8dog]

you can't just say "who would you rather have?" it depends on what you 've already got. But if I have to draft a team, I'd take Gordon before Wilson.

And we were one game away from a sweet sixteen with 3 players this year. Swat's impact has been about the same as Dampier's. It's debatable who's has been better, but they've been about the same.

 

[Stormrider81]

Darryl Wilson was a great player for us, one of the best ever. However, you cannot honestly believe that Wilson would have led this team to more wins than Gordon.</p>

 

[Stormrider81]

Gordon is among the best we've ever had, above Roberts, Wilson, and Austin. His place with respect to Jones is highly debatable.

 

[Hanmudog]

You are putting way too much emphasis on Sweet 16's or Elite 8's. The Sweet 16 team beat a nobody and Utah didn't they? We got a good draw that season and then got hammered against UCLA in the Sweet 16. That does not validate anything about a player. If that 95 team ran into this year's Memphis team then they would not have sniffed a Sweet 16 and conversely this year's team would have likely been in a Sweet 16 in 95 as well. It is all about the draw.

 

[SanfordRJones]

Insert your comment about being an 8-seed having to play Memphis in the first place here.

 

[dawgpound11]

Don't remember having read this

 

[DowntownDawg]

intangibles and little things like leadership ability, clutch shooting, free throw shooting, decision making vs. raw athletic ability.

It just hit me, but as patdog said, but Wilson on THIS team, and we're final four caliber. However, what if you take Wilson off the 96 team? That team compares fairly reasonably to 2008. Where would they have been without Wilson? Dontae, who was by far, the most athletically gifted player on that team would not've gotten us to a final four, or even a sweet 16 without Wilson. And Jamont is much more comparable to Dontae. Great player, best athlete on the team, but not particularly smart, and not a great leader. Seriously, 2008 was a 00 and some breaks away from San Antonio, and without Wilson in 1996, we're about an 8 seed losing to a 1 in the second round.

 

[Coach34]

Why did we have to play Memphis?</p>

 

[Stormrider81]

If they stay and play team ball we don't lose 5 games.

Note: I'm not excusing our early losses. In fact I was and still am critical of Stansbury for losing to the likes of Miami (OH).

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

nfm

 

[Hanmudog]

Slow start due to no depth and facing tough competition early on was the reason for the 8 seed. You should also note that neither the Final 4 team or the Sweet 16 team went 12-4 in the SEC.

 

[Stormrider81]

But if you add Wilson and subtract Jamont from this team they wouldn't have even been in the NCAA Tournament. That's no shot at Wilson, but rather a realization of all the things Jamont does for this team, including creating shot for himself and others.

Now, I will fully agree that if you added Wilson to this team keeping Jamont, we could have made quite a run. All this team really missed was a consistent outside shooter. You add Wilson and then either Ben or Barry come off the bench and you have that consistent shooter for Jamont to dish to and to keep the D off of Rhodes and V.

 

[Stormrider81]

The guy takes stupid shots sometimes, but crap man if we didn't have him we wouldn't have sniffed an SEC West title or an NCAA berth the past two years. Outside sources have a better understanding of what he does for us than our own fanbase.

 

[Todd4State]

Sell.

I'm going with Bailey Howell. I didn't see him play, but he has some sick numbers.

Jeff Malone is up there.

My personal favorite player of all time is Timmy Bowers- I know that belongs in another thread, but I just feel compelled to type it for some reason.

Dontae Jones had the best single game performance I've ever seen from an MSU player. However, when you look at the entire body of work, he isn't as good as some of the others mentioned.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

contribution, and our desire for him to return are a little different than placing him in the pantheon of all-time greats.

My only disagreement with you is where he fits on the all time greatest player list. I really don't know where he fits, but I know I don't think he fits where you think he does. I don't believe he will be a successful NBA point guard. Perhaps that clarifies my position on him somewhat.

 

[DowntownDawg]

But if you add Wilson and subtract Jamont from this team they wouldn't have even been in the NCAA Tournament.

Of course, at this point, we're past the point of ridiculous speculation, but I would think that a team with Darryl Wilson, Charles Rhodes, and Jarvis Varnado would be a tournament team. Surely.

But then again, this team should've been about a 4 seed, so it's all speculation.

 

[collinsmc]

He had no work ethic or drive to be a pro but in terms of sheer talent, he's the best ever...

 

[Hanmudog]

Dontae only really played well for about a month at MSU. It is hard to really accept him as an "all time great". Now had he played that way for say two entire seasons then this whole discussion would be pointless because there would not be much doubt about Dontae Jones being the best ever at MSU.

 

[KDawg12]

Sell even though if he comes back he will break some school records
Howell is the best