When Victoria Vivians knocked her the F out, nobody on her team jumped to her defense.
Caitlyn Clarke left off Team USA
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I know who Ionescu is because she played for Oregon when we played them in the NCAA tournament. I have no idea if that was 5 years ago or 15 years ago. The knowledge several posters have of women's basketball is way more than I even care to have.
I would probably watch the women's team if she was on it. I don't like women sports but sometimes I will watch if there's a reason and she would have given me a reason.
I like Tiger a lot, but the PGA Tour is much better (to me) today than when Tiger dominated the Tour. I also enjoy watching former MSU golfer, Doug Barron, on the Champions Tour. With his third place finish today he moved up to number 6 on Charles Schwab champions list.
F17S.
Ionescu is one of the only WNBA players with a sneaker deal, and it's a good shoe too.
How the 17 can you not know who she is, yet think you have an informed opinion?
I wonder how many USA basketball jerseys they would've sold with Kaitlyn Clark's name and number on them?
Disney has made it fashionable for businesses to throw away lots of money.
Disney has made it fashionable for businesses to throw away lots of money.
3rd time is a charm- I am rooting for ya here! Give it your best and maybe you will spell her name correctly the 3rd time you type it in the thread.
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As informed as yours when you tried to insinuate it was about anything other than race despite direct quotes from players that it was racially motivated.
I'm just glad she recovered from that beat down she took from the cross body block that fan put on her storming the court.
The ad that keeps running for USA basketball says they have prioritized social concerns. They aren't interested in anything other than making sure they promote social causes.
Dude, I asked if it's about race and was told it's only partially about race, but that I don't get to know what it's about if I don't already know what it's about.
Haha, OK then.
And if it is about race, then why have white stars been not only accepted, but valued and celebrated for years now?
How can it be both a race issue, which is general, and not about race since so many white stars have been part of the league in years past and present?
That's gotta be tough to square.
Exactly. Last time I checked Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi aren’t black and they’re Olympic basketball royalty.
There were multiple white players, multiple straight players, and in particular 2 straight white players chosen, so it pretty obviously wasn't about race or orientation to the people who actually chose the teams.
There's so few spots and so many players who are good enough to be on an Olympic roster. You could make a second team of Americans and it would be the favorite for the silver.
There's so few spots and so many players who are good enough to be on an Olympic roster. You could make a second team of Americans and it would be the favorite for the silver.
I'm so sorry I misspelled it. I'll buy you a beer if ever I see you.
I couldn't sleep tonight until I told you that.
Just looking at the roster it would be hard to place her on there above any of the guards. Theyre very experienced outside of Rhyne Howard (who’s a really good and young physical guard). She will make the next Olympic team easily with her current trajectory.
You sure seem proud of your women's basketball ignorance. I'd have to look up specifics, but it's not hard to remember playing against two of the best college players of the last 10 years late in the NCAA Tourney.
And yes, I agree that they (whoever that is) should be using Clark to grow the popularity of the game everywhere possible.
I thought Barron was injured. I'll have to tune back in when he's playing. One of the more personable former Dawgs in pro sports.
Christian Laettner was on the Dream Team.
Just sayin'
I have no idea if she is one of the best 12 players in the league right now. I do know she draws more eyeballs than anyone else though. If the WNBA wants to grow their fanbase, they should put her on the team. It would draw more fans that have never watched a game. Now, people that have been watching will tune out.
I heard a reason she was left off. It was said that since she has as many fans as she does, people wouild want to see her play and if she is on the team, she wouldn't get much PT because the team is so stacked and there just aren't enough minutes to go around. Her fans would be upset that she would only get a few minutes per game.
If that's the reason, that's BS. If she is one of the best 12, put her on. If she isn't leave her off. If you want to bring youth on, like we have in the past (i.e. Laettner) then she belongs. I have no idea what the criteria is, nor do I know if she belongs or not.
I’m white. Larry Bird is my favorite NBA player. I also like Jordan, Shaq, and even Manute Bol and he was from Africa so you know he’s black. I like Caitlin Clark because she plays like a guy in women’s basketball. It’s slightly entertaining
To me this is simply a merit vs business decision. She probably doesn’t deserve to make the team on merit yet. Close and worthy of being in the conversation, but not quite there.
From a business side it’s an incredibly dumb choice. You’ve got a business that’s never made money that suddenly has a huge draw. Her making the roster would draw eyes and jersey sales etc and you don’t take advantage of that.
If growing the game was your number one goal, you just blew it. You were winning the medal with or without her.
From a business side it’s an incredibly dumb choice. You’ve got a business that’s never made money that suddenly has a huge draw. Her making the roster would draw eyes and jersey sales etc and you don’t take advantage of that.
If growing the game was your number one goal, you just blew it. You were winning the medal with or without her.
I keep seeing the Laettner references. I'm not sure why. 1992 was the first year NBA players were allowed in the Olympics. USA basketball decided to take one college player as a kind of nod to the past.
It really doesn't seem to have any relevance in the Clark discussion. Maybe I'm missing something.
Let me just throw this comment in here: The difference between Plum, Ionescu, Bird, Taurasi etc. and Caitlin Clark is that Clark has millions of viewers that tune in just because she is playing.
Also, where in the past, you could debate who the best player in the country was, the last 2 years there has really been no debate. Clark is the best and it hasn't been close. Granted, that was college ball and not in the WNBA.
To people like Aja Wilson that say it doesn't matter how hard they work, to that I say why would people like get Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James get celebrated? People will celebrate greatness regardless of color.
I have no problem wit her getting hate. Tom Brady got hate. Michael Jordan got hate. LeBron gets hate. The great ones will always have haters. And to people like Wilson, Swoopes, etc. - well, at this point in her career, Clark is just better than they were. Whether she ends up there is yet to be determined.
I'm as ignorant about women's basketball as MILLIONS were about golf before Tiger Woods came along but I'm not ignorant that Clark (in a very scaled down way) can do the same thing for women's basketball and the women who play it.
How much about the history of golf do you think the people who started following it after Tiger came along ? Did that matter to you then ?
And the point is NOBODY would expect her to start or play the majority of minutes. Just put her on the squad and let her play 4-5 minutes a game if she can hold her own against the competition.
This isnt a full question. Are you asking me how much golf history people knew, if they had only just started following golf because of Tiger?
If you are asking that, then my answer is- they probably did not know much history.
I dont care if you and others dont know who Ionescu is. My point was that if you are going to claim something, you should have at least the slightest idea about what you are talking about, which requires some background/history.
If people got into golf because of Tiger and didnt know golf history before then, thats fine. If they were spouting off ignorant claims that connect to golf history, while proudly announcing they know nothing about golf history, then thats pretty dumb.
Do you seriously not see the clear difference?
If you dont know who Ionescu is, thats fine. No worry.
If you dont know who Ionescu is, then dont claim Clark is being snubbed due to race or being targeted on the court due to race(or sexual orientation).
Its that simple.
- Ionescu is a straight white player who is so celebrated that she is one of the only players with a signature shoe, she came into the league as the #1 pick, she was an all-star in 2 of 3 seasons so far, and has done multiple 3pt contests against Curry because she is a great shooter. Ionescu had a ton of hype coming into the league and before she was an all-star, yet she wasnt targeted on the court due to race or sexual orientation and she is on the USA team this year.
- Breanna Stewart is a white player who is so celebrated that she is one of the only other players with a signature shoe, she came into the league as the #1 pick, she has been an all-star in every season she has played, and is a 2x League MVP. Stewart had a ton of hype coming into the league, was an immediate success, yet she wasnt targeted on the court due to race and she is on the USA team this year. Hell, she was on the USA team back in college even.
If someone is going to argue that a player is targeted and snubbed due to race, then they need to explain how a player of the same race was just named the league MVP for the second time, and why the National team that 'snubbed' the one player is taking other players of the same race.
If someone is going to argue that a player is targeted and snubbed to due sexual orientation, then they need to explain how a player of the same race AND same sexual orientation, was selected for the National team as well as multiple all-star teams, and doesnt experience the same type of targeting on the court.
The difference is that three of those players were at one time almost universally recognized as the best in the world at what they do at some point in their career and Kobe was at least part of a conversation about who was the best.
When you are the best female in the world at your sport, while that's statistically basically the same level of greatness conditioned on being a woman, it's just not going to register with a lot of people the same way when they can watch and realize that wouldn't even make them the best high school basketball player in the nation. So it helps if there is something else to draw people in, whether it be personality or attractiveness or something else. Also probably helps if the difference in athleticism doesn't make the sport look like a completely different sport.
I understand some women in the WNBA being jealous because it's not like Clark is some sort of transcendental talent and it's not clear why she is getting the attention she is other than being really good and being in the right spot at the right time. But they should be looking at the bright side. I would have expected the WNBA to need a really good player that is also conventionally attractive to generate this much interest. There is apparently more of an appetite for women's basketball than I would have ever guessed and they should be encouraged that there is this much interest being generated by somebody that is not conventionally attractive and doesn't seem to ooze charisma or anything.
Will you please point out where I've claimed Clark is being snubbed because of her race ?
edited to add : Cliffs notes please
edited to add : Cliffs notes please
15 million number right? At best that gets you a role player in the NBA?
It's just good business practices to invest in something that may make you money down the road.
"Reparations" what a dumbass statement. I can't stand a bigot myself, most of them will burn in hell right beside this asshat.
Will you please point out where I've claimed Clark is being snubbed because of her race ?
edited to add : Cliffs notes please
Biggest snub to date was putting John Stockton on the Dream Team over Isiah Thomas. Thomas was tons better. Yes, politics play into it. Jordan said he would not play if Isiah was on the team.
Clark is not ready to be a top player and has not earned a spot. Deal with it.
Clark is not ready to be a top player and has not earned a spot. Deal with it.
You havent said she was snubbed because of her race.
A claim was made that 'they' want people to be excited about women's basketball only if the excitement is for 'intersectional' players.
Quaoars pointed out there are others on the team who are not 'intersectional'.
You then stated you dont know who the famous WNBA players are that Quaoars cited.
I criticized you for having an opinion when you dont know basics(famous current players who are part of the discussion).
You asked me if people knew golf history before Tiger if they started following golf because of Tiger.
I said they likely wouldnt know golf history in that situation.
And here we are.
I listed both race and sexual orientation in my response because those are two common identifying marks for people who discuss intersectionality(both support of and criticism of). Since intersectionalism was the claim, and you responded to a person who refuted the intersectionalism, I kept that going in my response about if anyone knew about golf history before they started caring about golf because of Tiger.
John Stockton totally deserved to be on the Dream Team. He is the all time leader in career assists AND steals.
The snub was Chris Mullen getting in over Isaiah but that's because of Jordan.
Not necessarily. LeBron was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a sophomore in HIGH SCHOOL. He wasn't the best in the world at that time. I'd venture to say there were probably at least a couple of hundred people in the world better than him at that time. As I said before - when Sue Bird, Diana Taurasi, Cheryl Swoopes, etc. were in college who was the best player? While they were all great, it was always debatable. When Clark was in college, there was no debate. It was her, hands down.
I've heard the term "Pretty privilege" but when I see her, I just don't see it. How about she is just good at what she does?
But I think she is. She brought people who had never watched a women's basketball game in their lives to see her. And what is it that brings people in? I would say her shooting ability. How many people are within range the moment they get over the half court line? It hasn't been many, that's for sure.
It could also be the way she handles herself in public. She signs dozens of autographs for kids. She doesn't seem to have a huge ego. When she was at Iowa, she always was talking about her teammates. When people see that, they admire that, especially when it would be so easy for her to have that ego, seeing as she basically rewrote the college basketball record books. Even when she got hammered on a dead ball, she just made the comment that "That wasn't a basketball play, but it's something I need to work through." When she addressed not getting on the Olympic team she said something to the effect of "It's a goal of mine and I'll work really hard to make it in 4 years."
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