well that record is a bit distorted..as 18 of those 25 games are SEC games ...
Can someone explain the Leach hatred to me?
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well that record is a bit distorted..as 18 of those 25 games are SEC games ...
Football is entertaining. Leach is entertaining (to me, anyway). Football plus Leach is compelling entertainment. When he gets things clicking (and he seems to be doing that now) his teams are must-watch. That is why Leach is good for us. Leach is the opposite of Mullen (who won games he was supposed to win but rarely if ever beat a clearly superior team), Leach loses some to underdogs but occasionally beats more talented teams and isn’t creepy like Mullen. The possibilities Leach brings make football fun.
You are closer to the truth than you think. We still have people pissed off Cohen didn't call them so they could tell him who he should have hired.
Then there are those who aren't going to like anything or anyone. They just love to piss and moan no matter whoever is coaching and find something to piss and gripe about like this against a Team the quality of Memphis for the first game of the season with a delay over 2 hrs?
| Game Stats | MEM | MSU |
|---|---|---|
| Total Yards | 294 | 547 |
| Pass Yards | 165 | 450 |
| Rushing Yards | 129 | 97 |
| Penalty Yards | 8-44 | 5-55 |
| 1st Downs | 13 | 34 |
| 3rd Downs | 3-12 | 11-13 |
| 4th Downs | 0-1 | 0-0 |
| TOP | 18:49 | 41:11 |
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Disagree. Mullen was “beloved”, and he only beat two OM teams with a winning record in 9 years. He was extremely fortunate to get matchups against total dumpster fire OM teams for about half of his tenure (2010, 2011, 2016, 2017), and he still even lost one of those.
The Egg Bowl matters a lot, but its not the end all be all. And the context of how good OM is over his tenure matters a lot, too. If Leach finishes with a losing record against OM but still has a near .500 SEC record overall, he’s going to still be up there with Mullen and Jackie if he stays long enough.
Well the NC State game was pretty boring. If not for Tulu we probably don’t want that game. Other than that the offense is fine.
I believe that a vocal majority of haters haven’t been following MSU more than a couple of years. If you lived thru Rocket Felker, many of Jackie’s years and all of Croom’s tenure you can’t call this offense boring.
The fact that it basically took until 2014 for MSU to discover the forward pass should tell you all you need to know about our offensive history.
He won't last if he goes 0-3 unless he's got a great record. By won't last, I mean he will lose all support. Every damn bit. 0-3 is historically bad in an already bad football history.
I’m not disagreeing with the ultimate result you mention, but I think the general point is that that mindset is stupid. So I guess what I’m saying is that a bunch of our fans are in fact stupid, because they definitely believe as you believe.
If we go 8-4 or 9-3 this year and lose the egg bowl, and our fans start talking of firing Leach with any true influence, I’ll really consider giving up fandom. It might be the last straw.
Not that anyone cares, just would probably find a more enjoyable team to follow. I mean I got the elusive natty last year so….
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I think he’s got to win 8 to overcome an egg bowl loss.
No coach on either side has ever lost 3 straight and been retained.
No coach on either side has ever lost 3 straight and been retained.
Are you serious? Did you just start following MSU football in the past 10 years? 0-3 is not historically bad. Between 1947 and 1963 we went winless in the Egg Bowl (14 losses and three ties). That is historically bad. 0-3 would suck, but it’s not a fireable offense unless we somehow combine that with a losing record.
I think some of our fans would rather lose with a coach they like and can relate to than win with a coach they don’t like and can’t relate to.
Not for me. He just needs to average 8 plus and mix in some 9 and 10 win seasons.
I’d love to beat ole miss yearly but I’m not setting my barometer on that.
I’d love to beat ole miss yearly but I’m not setting my barometer on that.
I feel this is an appropriate time to reflect on the Egg Bowl dominance of the greatest coach in MSU history, Joe Moorhead.
He needs to win games and there's no problem. That's how it works. That's really it.
Moorhead had a better two year record too. That's about as relevant as the other.
He won’t lose all support for losing to ole miss this year if we are 8-4. He won’t even lose most. More? Sure but not most.
And he still got fired faster than any other football coach in MSU history, because winning the Egg Bowl won’t save your *** if you suck. Likewise, losing the Egg Bowl won’t condemn you if you’re otherwise pretty good.
I think you guys need to be patient.
He inherited a crap load of roster issues from his yankee ***.
Thanks to covid, he didnt have a normal spring and summer where you run some off. Just give him a mulligan for year 1
Your gonna be better off in the long run with him than your sisters to the north.
He inherited a crap load of roster issues from his yankee ***.
Thanks to covid, he didnt have a normal spring and summer where you run some off. Just give him a mulligan for year 1
Your gonna be better off in the long run with him than your sisters to the north.
Me too! Having 5 different players catching a TD against a non directional school is something I like!
Let's do lunch!
I've spent the last 15 years here and ED arguing that Leach would be a great hire for us, with most people disagreeing, some of whom were angry and vehement about it.
If Leach is good, they'll have to come to grips with the fact that they've been dead wrong for more than a decade (and to be fair, I'll have to do the same if he fails and gets fired), and nobody likes doing that.
If Leach is good, they'll have to come to grips with the fact that they've been dead wrong for more than a decade (and to be fair, I'll have to do the same if he fails and gets fired), and nobody likes doing that.
One thing I grow tired of... is the constant gross exaggerations regarding MSU fans and our past football playing history.
Both parts of this statement can't be proven because only one time in History (or at least 50+ years)has State won 3 games in a season and beat OM in the same year. The year 1993 was sandwiched by 3 winning seasons. At no time in history has MSU lost to OM for consecutive years and in consecutive winning seasons. We lose to OM mostly because we are bad and the coach is fired by MSU for being bad in general and not just one game. This is nothing but an opinion/straw argument.
"3 yards and a cloud of dust"
We ran an option v Bama in 81, 91 and 92. We scored TDs in all those games and damn near beat them. 2 of those 3 years, we beat OM. (Ref stole the 81 EB). But anyways.... Jackie's offense evolved to more of a balanced offense for 93-2003. We beat Alabama a few times and OM. Balanced offense and played hard nosed defense.
Anyways, This isn't a anti Leach or anti air raid post. It is a defense of the MSU fan base and set the record straight on past offenses and successes.
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He does have a point where every single time he is interviewed, the person leading the interview starts with some dumb pirate stuff or any other off topic stuff. I would expect my Head coach to represent our school at all times. Every once in a while, sure. But man, it gets old when they do it every single time.
With regards to press conferences, I think people miss the point on Leach. He hates them and most of them are unnecessary. National writers try to throw gotcha questions and any questions about actual football are usually really stupid. Local writers aren't going to be able to get any substantial info out of him and they know it but ask the question anyway. So he handles them with the level of seriousness that he feels like they require. It's essentially a big middle finger to the press. It doesn't bother me.
I know....let's get Malzahn in here and run double reverse flea flickers and end arounds every play. That will be exciting! We won't gain a yard in conference play, but hey, at least we'll be doing something different!
Coaches that lose three straight Egg Bowls are usually bad coaches that don’t beat anybody. That’s not the case with Leach. You can’t exactly view him under the same lens as a Rockey Felker type head coach.
Felker didn’t just get fired because he lost three straight Egg Bowls, I’m sure it was mostly because he had a 5-28 record in conference play.
try starting 0-5 as a head coach against a bitter in state rival - signed Dabo Swinney
I know there are some left wing morons in the "no fun club" who don't like him because they have no soul, but is it that many people? Is it a measurable amount?
Personally, I like his mentality towards life and his politics. He better start winning some ******* egg bowls though.
Personally, I like his mentality towards life and his politics. He better start winning some ******* egg bowls though.
For most of the few haters, this is close, except they have actually gone on record as saying, so you have to add the point that now they'd rather be right than him be successful, so they are cheering against it.
There are a few people who watched the offense when it didn't work and think it's somehow different than other offenses when you don't have the right talent and don't know the offense well enough to execute. They think constant dumps to the RB for no gain is a feature of the offense rather than a result of not being able to run the offense properly.
There are legitimate complaints about Leach and his system.
- A system that takes two seasons to implement is generally a bad system. Leach's is not, but it's a legitimate complaint against his offense. We've lost games where we should have been able to out talent people and we've been out of games we should have been competitive in (particularly in 2020) b/c we just couldn't run the system. We've already been through the pain for the most part, so that's irrelevant now.
- A system that doesn't have an answer for an OT being overmatched is not a good system (I'm not sure if this really applies; I think Leach has always been able to develop good enough OTs to handle his schedule; this will be the first time where he'll face enough NFL draft pick edge rushers that not being able to handle it will derail a season).
- His system is prone to get you upset (although this is balanced by also giving a lot of opportunities to upset other people).
- Not having a pound it in, goal line or short yardage option is less than ideal
And there are a few fans that are actually griping about that and not being Leach haters. But for the most part, the leach haters are just idiots or stubborn idiots.
We've had two coaches lose 3 straight to them since the 60s. Both had 4 straight losing seasons before being fired. If they were winning against the rest of our schedule, they would have been retained.
And unless I'm misreading something, the last coach to lose 3 straight to them before that was Wade Walker, and he was retained, only to lose to them a 4th straight time.
I love it. For some reason, people think coaches owe the press or fans something.
I don't feel like they owe me **** other than winning and if you don't win you move on either voluntarily or forcibly.
Leach's handling of the press is awesome for me.
I don't feel like they owe me **** other than winning and if you don't win you move on either voluntarily or forcibly.
Leach's handling of the press is awesome for me.
Don’t hate the guy, never met him, but not a fan of his offense. Watched it at TT and WSU, didn’t like it then. That being said I’m behind the team 100% win or lose. I think if he goes 6-6, loses the egg bowl and has another **** show of a bowl game then his seat gets hot. Probably not fired but skewered by the fans and pressure from boosters and Cohen.
I actually agree with all this. I don't hate him at all, and even find his side-show antics amusing when he's not coaching my team.
Completely absurd comment. "Left wing" posters are far more likely to be Leach fanboys than "right wing" posters.
You are spot on . . . . .
While I don't know if folks base their feelings about a coach on the coach's political views, if they do the far left would run from CML. Mississippi has to be top three in the nation among MAGA states and CML would be the poster child for MAGA in Mississippi. No doubt he is highly intelligent with a high degree of common sense as well.
While I don't know if folks base their feelings about a coach on the coach's political views, if they do the far left would run from CML. Mississippi has to be top three in the nation among MAGA states and CML would be the poster child for MAGA in Mississippi. No doubt he is highly intelligent with a high degree of common sense as well.
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I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else say it but my group of friends don’t hate him we just aren’t 100 percent bought in yet. I don’t care about his politics, his press conferences, his Devil May care attitude towards the rivalry, or if he spends every second in the offseason in Key West. All I care is that we win and we aren’t towel whipping opponents in a fight or having LB’s punch our starting QB in the face. It’s a results driven business and we will see our returns in December. If we are 6-6 or worse then that Devil may care attitude gets put under the microscope.
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