Not sure I see what would stop them. If you are not going after a player, it would be NCAA against the school, so not all the legal battle paranoia to worry about. Would a school ever actually try and suit the NCAA? They would be litigating on themselves to a degree - the NCAA is just a collection of the schools like a trade association with some rule making - that the members desired to have in place.
Can the NCAA still sanction a school similar to Penn State 2012?
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The Penn State bot sanctioned the school. Twice.
I thought I read recently that Tennessee football has 18 level one violations even with that I don’t think they’re not going to lose more than two or three scholarships. Their board of trustees isn’t anywhere close to as willing to give in as Penn State was.
osu too.
You know what happens when you tell the firing squad to shoot? They shoot
That is what the BoT said to the NCAA.
And I believe it was to stop the NCAA from doing an investigation and potentially finding other issues. Hence the retention of Louis Freeh and agreement to whatever the NCAA decreed.
That is what the BoT said to the NCAA.
And I believe it was to stop the NCAA from doing an investigation and potentially finding other issues. Hence the retention of Louis Freeh and agreement to whatever the NCAA decreed.
I think most people believe the NCAA over-reached in the PSU case. The PSU case was never about PSU gaining a competitive advantage but concerned a legal issue where the NCAA had no business. And as several have noted, the PSU board cooperated with the NCAA to sanction PSU football. Based on other cases like North Carolina and Miami I believe the NCAA will not hand out major sanction unless the school cooperates. And most schools learned that standing up to the NCAA is the way to go.
Not outside of Penn State circles. I've seen tons of comments that we got off light because the NCAA eventually rescinded the sanctions and didn't see them through.
I can't support that view of the bot's actions. Freeh was known as the guy who.would produce a report to say whatever the client wanted, not as someone who did thorough investigations. He was chosen over more qualified individuals even as his Olympic investigation debacle was unfolding. On top of that, even as the sanctions were being thrown out in court en mass, the bot was busy unilaterally re-imposing them.
Rodney Erickson and the BOT wanted it to happen. Unless some a president and bot want to throw their reputation and legacy under the bus, it won’t happen again and wouldn’t have in the first place
The NCAA had no jurisdiction to do what they did to PSU in 2012, so no. Rodney the spineless and the evil BOT laid out the welcome mat to the NCAA and . . . oh, the hell with it. I don’t want to get my blood pressure boiling again ten years later.
No idea. But if a govening body of an organization is as willing as the BoT is to fall on their swords, then it wouldn't be hard to surmise there were things that they did not want to have the light of day shine on it.What other issues?
Actually, we are saying the same thing - the retention of Louis Freeh was a dog and pony show. Just nonsense. But made to appease the general public (and perhaps the NCAA) that the BoT was "doing something" and Freeh, despite all of his ineptitude, is looked upon favorably by large organizations for what he does.
I’ve said it many times, so what’s one more time?
Even if rodney (on behalf of the bot) asked the ncaa for sanctions, the ncaa had no responsibility to comply. emmert and the ncaa had a responsibility to investigate Penn State themselves. In doing so (properly), the ncaa would have determined that anything that might have happened at Penn State had nothing to do with football (i.e., gaining a competitive advantage) and therefore was outside the ncaa’s purview. Therefore, the ncaa had a responsibility to refuse to sanction Penn State.
Remember that the ncaa sanctioned Penn State without conducting their own investigation. This is a clear violation of ncaa bylaws. The ncaa handed down the second-worst (arguably the worst) sanctions in college football history in ten days by relying on an obviously flawed third-party report.
In short, f*ck emmert and the ncaa.
Even if rodney (on behalf of the bot) asked the ncaa for sanctions, the ncaa had no responsibility to comply. emmert and the ncaa had a responsibility to investigate Penn State themselves. In doing so (properly), the ncaa would have determined that anything that might have happened at Penn State had nothing to do with football (i.e., gaining a competitive advantage) and therefore was outside the ncaa’s purview. Therefore, the ncaa had a responsibility to refuse to sanction Penn State.
Remember that the ncaa sanctioned Penn State without conducting their own investigation. This is a clear violation of ncaa bylaws. The ncaa handed down the second-worst (arguably the worst) sanctions in college football history in ten days by relying on an obviously flawed third-party report.
In short, f*ck emmert and the ncaa.
I still am of the opinion that the BoT pushed for their own hackneyed investigation by Freeh so that the NCAA would not do their own (hackneyed investigation). The BoT could control the investigation (using Freeh as a puppet), whereas they would not have had that control over the NCAA. I still believe the BoT did not want the NCAA finding out anything on their own, so they pushed the Freeh investigation.
The NCAA/Emmert was not going to turn down an opportunity for some publicity. So, no way they would have not done an investigation if the Freeh investigation was pushed in front of them. All that did was save the NCAA some money and time.
Many nefarious a$$holes in this sordid affair. Still, the ncaa should have acted differently.
Actually, the ncaa didn’t even need to investigate Penn State. The allegations against sandusky, a former coach, had nothing to do with football or athletics as a whole. The ncaa could have (and really should have) declined to get involved. Penn State made it a football issue, and with Joe involved, the media were more than happy to push that false narrative. Then, as you said, emmert and the ncaa saw a great opportunity for publicity, specifically to show that they could be tough on a supposed rogue program.
In the end, if the ncaa believed there was something at Penn State that fell under their purview, then they had an obligation to conduct their own investigation.
A lot of misguided, destructive, and selfish decisions and actions from Penn State’s “leadership”, corbett, freeh, and the ncaa in 2011-2012.
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If we bring back Rod The Weak anything can happen. I'm still waiting for the apology, $$$ returned and Joe's name back on the trophy
For sure. The NCAA and Ericson agreed on sanctions before real facts were known. The Freeh report was just cover for what was already agreed to. The guy from Oregon State (Ray?) admitted he didn't even read Freeh's garbage before voting to impose sanctions, which were already a done deal.
I get your premise but your analogy is a bit off the mark. The BOT did not “fall on their swords.” They collected all their swords, sharpened them, bought more swords, put all the swords point/blade up in a pit, and threw Joe into the pit. In the main public square, after inviting the entire world to come and watch.
No, it will never happen again to a major D1 school. With PSU, we saw ridiculous overreach into a criminal matter that didn't implicate academic integrity or competitive fairness. With UNC, the NCAA basically said that schools can funnel athletes into sham classes so long as they're offered to some percentage of the general student population. NCAA realizes to stay in the game, they need to tread lightly. Relevance and enforcement capabilities are dwindling with conference expansion, future TV deals, NIL and impending legal battles.
the sports talk shows seem to be all over the Tennessee situation and suggesting they get next to nothing from NCAA.
what would happen if some school decided to keep 100 scholarships on the roster and just say screw it, NCAA is not going to do squat to us?
The NCAA is a shell of its 2009 self. Mark Emmert has the distinction of being the guy most responsible for its collapse as her was the President when it happened. His handling of the Penn State investigation and punishment has been demonstrated to be heavy handed and in collusion with private and state investigators and I think much of the sports world saw this after the Sandusky trial was finalized. When Pennsylvania fought back against the civil fine that Emmert tried to collect, it exposed the NCAA. Probably the single biggest catalyst to the collapse was Ed O'Bannon's successful antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA. Getting smacked losing almost $46 million did little to make Emmert look good and it has been nothing but downhill since then. The NCAA saw net assets fall from more than $700 million in 2014 to $225 million in 2017. When the 2020 NCAA tournament was adversely affected by the COVID pandemic, that resulted in a loss of almost $600 million. No...the teeth have been yanked out of the NCAA and it couldn't have happened to a better gut than Emmert.
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