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Thats way more far fetched than what rosebowl predicted.
In case you weren't around in 2007: you were 0 and 8 in the SEC. You were beyond 17ing terrible.
In 2008: you had a good team that came together very strong at the end of the season.
In 2009: you lost several key players. most notably they o-line and P Jerry. You are an average football team up to this point in the season. You beat OSU?? I'll move you to above average.
In case you weren't around in 2007: you were 0 and 8 in the SEC. You were beyond 17ing terrible.
In 2008: you had a good team that came together very strong at the end of the season.
In 2009: you lost several key players. most notably they o-line and P Jerry. You are an average football team up to this point in the season. You beat OSU?? I'll move you to above average.
attributed too much significance to some of your points leading to inflated expectations. Again, I think everybody expected State to perform better than they did, and for whatever reason that didn't happen.
1. What teams with losses can't say that they were "better than the..record they had?" There are always missed FGs, holding calls, dropped balls, missed blocks, injuries, etc. for every team, every year which affect the outcome of games.
2. Sherrill had never won an NC as a coach. He had never won an SEC title as a coach. He was successful at State so I understand the respect he had earned, but I don't think that naturally translates in to winning a NC.
3. No reason not to believe that Joe Lee couldn't continue his success so I agree.
4. I'm not sure how you define "great bowl win," but has the Independence Bowl ever been the launching pad to an NC? Serious question, I don't know.
5. I don't remember many other notable backs that year, but I know Miller and Walker were expected to be good. Even if they had lived up to expectations, State was fairly one dimensional. Defense and a running game proved to be a recipe for success for Sherrill, but I'm not sure that the running game was good enough to hang title aspirations on.
1. What teams with losses can't say that they were "better than the..record they had?" There are always missed FGs, holding calls, dropped balls, missed blocks, injuries, etc. for every team, every year which affect the outcome of games.
2. Sherrill had never won an NC as a coach. He had never won an SEC title as a coach. He was successful at State so I understand the respect he had earned, but I don't think that naturally translates in to winning a NC.
3. No reason not to believe that Joe Lee couldn't continue his success so I agree.
4. I'm not sure how you define "great bowl win," but has the Independence Bowl ever been the launching pad to an NC? Serious question, I don't know.
5. I don't remember many other notable backs that year, but I know Miller and Walker were expected to be good. Even if they had lived up to expectations, State was fairly one dimensional. Defense and a running game proved to be a recipe for success for Sherrill, but I'm not sure that the running game was good enough to hang title aspirations on.
was pretty damn good. To think it would not continue in 2001 is an incorrect assumption. We averaged almost 390 yds/game with a 50/50 offense - 190+ rushing/190+ passing with our whole backfield returning.
1. We beat two top 10 teams that year in Florida and Auburn. We were 7-2 going into the Arkansas game. We were a top 15 team. Like I said, we were a lot better than the 8-4 record. I think the 2000 team was Sherrill's best team.
2. Wait, Sherrill has never won the national championship? You have to be kidding me. Urban Meyer had never won one prior to 2006. What's your point?
3. Correct.
4. I am saying it was a great win in the way we won against a decent A&M team. Oklahoma in 1999 who y'all beat in the Indy bowl.
5. We basically had 2 1,000 rushers returning and a QB who was going to be a senior and was playing well. Like I said, people were saying we had the best backfield in the nation. But to have a good defense on paper and "the best backfield in the nation" is nothing to hang title hopes on? Riiiiight.
1. We beat two top 10 teams that year in Florida and Auburn. We were 7-2 going into the Arkansas game. We were a top 15 team. Like I said, we were a lot better than the 8-4 record. I think the 2000 team was Sherrill's best team.
2. Wait, Sherrill has never won the national championship? You have to be kidding me. Urban Meyer had never won one prior to 2006. What's your point?
3. Correct.
4. I am saying it was a great win in the way we won against a decent A&M team. Oklahoma in 1999 who y'all beat in the Indy bowl.
5. We basically had 2 1,000 rushers returning and a QB who was going to be a senior and was playing well. Like I said, people were saying we had the best backfield in the nation. But to have a good defense on paper and "the best backfield in the nation" is nothing to hang title hopes on? Riiiiight.
"What teams with losses can't say that they were "better than the..record they had?" There are always missed FGs, holding calls, dropped balls, missed blocks, injuries, etc. for every team, every year which affect the outcome of games."
The 2009 Ole Miss Rebels. There's a great example of a team that was worse than their record.
The 2009 Ole Miss Rebels. There's a great example of a team that was worse than their record.
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Seriously? Point out to me how you come to that conclusion.
Only one of our wins was in doubt, the LSU win, and we were the better team in that game. We had to overcome a lot of bad breaks and still won.
One of our losses was in doubt until the final minutes, a game that looked like we were outplayed until the final quarter.
So, one close game went our way. One went the other way. Against our schedule, we were an 8-4 team. We weren't fortunate or unfortunate to be 8-4. It's what we were this year. The 2007 MSU team is the best example of a fortunate team, outside of the 2002 Ohio State national title team. Your 2007 team was 4-0 in games decided by 7 or less. Ohio State was something like 7-0 in close games in 2002. That's fortunate when the close plays in all of your tight games go your way.
It's good to know your wins over SELA, Northern Arizona, Memphis, UAB or Vandy were never in doubt.RebelBruiser said:
You had two good wins all year long - UT and LSU. You played 4 absolute patsies, two of which were pitiful FCS teams. Had you played any kind of schedule I guarantee you that you don't end up with 8 wins.
and no one can answer that. Yancy is a complete idiot but I don't remember him predicting in public that Johnson would be at Ole Miss.
This is a dumb thread, so I'm going to throw in a dumb sheep type response that should fit right in...
Who came closer to getting it right?
Robertson and his predicted undefeated Rosebowl national championship season coming off a 8-4 season with a Independence Bowl win (24th ranking) that actually turned into a 3-8 season.
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The media and some fans who picked OM as a top ten team coming off a 9-4 season (including beating #1 Florida)with a Cotton Bowl victory (14th ranking), yet went 8-4.
From here, it looks like the undefeated Rosebowl season and a berth in the national championship was way more far fetched than OM having a top ten season.
Who came closer to getting it right?
Robertson and his predicted undefeated Rosebowl national championship season coming off a 8-4 season with a Independence Bowl win (24th ranking) that actually turned into a 3-8 season.
or
The media and some fans who picked OM as a top ten team coming off a 9-4 season (including beating #1 Florida)with a Cotton Bowl victory (14th ranking), yet went 8-4.
From here, it looks like the undefeated Rosebowl season and a berth in the national championship was way more far fetched than OM having a top ten season.
the point was it was not far fetched to think State could go undefeated that year. If you can win the SEC, you can go undefeated.
But to answer your question - more people were right about OM.
But to answer your question - more people were right about OM.
No **** but I am saying before the season, it was not far-fetched. Thanks for bringing your 2009 season into the discussion though. It's really appreciated.
So would it have been far fetched if OM was predicted for an undeafeated season this year?
You listed your backfield and returning players and coaches like it legitimized the argument. Nevermind that they evidently weren't that good...just like our players and coaches from this year.
I can do the same for us...
1) We had a favorable schedule (favorite talking point here). We were much better than our 2008 record indicated. We had beated #1 Florida in the swamp. We had won six straight games coming into this season. The last loss before than was a 4 pointer at Tuscaloosa to a team who won the West. Most of our losses were the result of stupid turnovers.
2) Nutt had already taken 2 Ark teams to the SEC championship game and was coming off a great season.
3) We were in love with the Landsharks
4) We were coming off a demolishing defeat of the number #7 team in the country and legit BCS contender in their home state Cotton Bowl.
5) Our QB was pegged as a legit first rounder coming into the season. Not to mention the SEC's leading WR, Dexter, and an all SEC freshman in the backfield.
You listed your backfield and returning players and coaches like it legitimized the argument. Nevermind that they evidently weren't that good...just like our players and coaches from this year.
I can do the same for us...
1) We had a favorable schedule (favorite talking point here). We were much better than our 2008 record indicated. We had beated #1 Florida in the swamp. We had won six straight games coming into this season. The last loss before than was a 4 pointer at Tuscaloosa to a team who won the West. Most of our losses were the result of stupid turnovers.
2) Nutt had already taken 2 Ark teams to the SEC championship game and was coming off a great season.
3) We were in love with the Landsharks
4) We were coming off a demolishing defeat of the number #7 team in the country and legit BCS contender in their home state Cotton Bowl.
5) Our QB was pegged as a legit first rounder coming into the season. Not to mention the SEC's leading WR, Dexter, and an all SEC freshman in the backfield.
so undefeated talk wasn't out of the realm of possibility to me. I am trying to find where I mentioned OM.
or something like that. Yancy has so many of these so-called inside sources that he uses them to do his work and it allows him to get off the hook - i.e., his sources said Johnson was about to be a Rebel.....he didn't say it himself.
You didn't at all. I did.
It's just easier to get the minions to understand how retarded the whole thing is when you interject an "it's not far fetched that OM could have been predicted for an undefeated season in 2009."
This is retarded. I think we can agree with that. When I saw the intial post in this thread, I thought it would be locked within a few responses. I'm actually amazed that it's gotten this far.
It's just easier to get the minions to understand how retarded the whole thing is when you interject an "it's not far fetched that OM could have been predicted for an undefeated season in 2009."
This is retarded. I think we can agree with that. When I saw the intial post in this thread, I thought it would be locked within a few responses. I'm actually amazed that it's gotten this far.
because losing to State and Auburn makes me think a decent out of conference schedule (the kind no smart SEC school other than Alabama and UF shoud be scheduling right now) would have landed Ole Miss one or two more losses. But it's hard to be confident about that. The SEC was schizo this year. Ole Miss may have been a good home team and ****** road team. They also could have been a good with a DC that can't stop a spread offense. It could have been every team in the SEC (outside of bama and UF) was so flawed that individual matchups and/or schemes mattered more than usual. I can't figure out how UM beat Arkansas and UT but lost convincingly to Auburn and got their asses kicked by State. I'm not sure how UT played bama close and I'm not sure how LSU kicked auburn's ***.
But since Ole Miss played a ****** (if smart) schedule, and I dislike them anyway, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'll go ahead and assume that only a ****** non-conference schedule and the Hat keeping LSU from getting it's **** together prevented Ole Miss from having the 6-6 year they deserved.
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