Chris Garrett thinks our offense sucks, FWIW......

[Goat Holder]

Also seems Les Miles is filling his head with ********. Seems like a case of Bear Bryant recruiting. From Clarion Ledger:

Q: You grew up rooting for Mississippi State and verbally committed to the Bulldogs as a junior. Was it difficult to change your mind and commit to LSU?

A: It was, but it wasn't. I made the decison the first time on me growing up a State fan and wanting to go to school there. But I started thinking about
going to a school where they produce NFL quarterbacks and put up points and numbers every game. They have a great offensive coordinator in Gary Crowton.
He's somebody who will help me develop so maybe I can get to the NFL one day.

Q: Any chance you could change your mind again?

A: No sir, not at all. I'm going to graduate from high school Dec. 17. I plan to enroll at LSU in January. I talked to Coach (Les) Miles at LSU the other
day about it. He doesn't know if it's still legal or not, but there's a chance I could dress out if they're in the National Championship game
or a BCS bowl.

 

[Goat Holder]

Also seems Les Miles is filling his head with ********. Seems like a case of Bear Bryant recruiting. From Clarion Ledger:

Q: You grew up rooting for Mississippi State and verbally committed to the Bulldogs as a junior. Was it difficult to change your mind and commit to LSU?

A: It was, but it wasn't. I made the decison the first time on me growing up a State fan and wanting to go to school there. But I started thinking about
going to a school where they produce NFL quarterbacks and put up points and numbers every game. They have a great offensive coordinator in Gary Crowton.
He's somebody who will help me develop so maybe I can get to the NFL one day.

Q: Any chance you could change your mind again?

A: No sir, not at all. I'm going to graduate from high school Dec. 17. I plan to enroll at LSU in January. I talked to Coach (Les) Miles at LSU the other
day about it. He doesn't know if it's still legal or not, but there's a chance I could dress out if they're in the National Championship game
or a BCS bowl.

 

[Goat Holder]

Also seems Les Miles is filling his head with ********. Seems like a case of Bear Bryant recruiting. From Clarion Ledger:

Q: You grew up rooting for Mississippi State and verbally committed to the Bulldogs as a junior. Was it difficult to change your mind and commit to LSU?

A: It was, but it wasn't. I made the decison the first time on me growing up a State fan and wanting to go to school there. But I started thinking about
going to a school where they produce NFL quarterbacks and put up points and numbers every game. They have a great offensive coordinator in Gary Crowton.
He's somebody who will help me develop so maybe I can get to the NFL one day.

Q: Any chance you could change your mind again?

A: No sir, not at all. I'm going to graduate from high school Dec. 17. I plan to enroll at LSU in January. I talked to Coach (Les) Miles at LSU the other
day about it. He doesn't know if it's still legal or not, but there's a chance I could dress out if they're in the National Championship game
or a BCS bowl.

 

[OEMDawg]

Can you blame him? Nothing he said is wrong. Sure he may not touch the field at LSU but it's not like he's guaranteed to be a four year starter at MSU either.

He's exactly right though. Crowton is a Rhodes scholar compared to Woodrow. If you were a 17 year old who dreamed of playing in the NFL you'd be an idiot if you didn't make the same decision.

 

[Coach34]

"I made the decison the first time on me growing up a State fan and wanting to go to school there. But I started thinking about
going to a school where they produce NFL quarterbacks and put up points and numbers every game"

You guys will listen one of these days....

 

[Goat Holder]

but they aren't, their stock is in Russell Shepherd. I think with Garrett they get a drop back guy with potential, AND they keep him from MSU, where he also could potentially hurt LSU down the road.

But just like Matt Flynn, Garrett will be staring up at Shepherd just like Flynn was at Jah mah cus, no matter how he plays. Shepherd is the 5* guy that they likely had to work harder or pay more for. He will get the benefit of the doubt.

Garrett would have been the man at MSU. He was the first choice. But, you can't really argue with the NFL thing though. Until we do it, I won't believe we can develop a QB. I also happen to believe we just haven't recruited a QB worth a **** either.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

If you were a 17 year old who dreamed of playing in the NFL you'd be an idiot if you didn't make the same decision.</p>

Croom was an offensive coordinator in the NFL just like Crowton. I don't think we can hold it against Croom that he wasn't able to put Mike Henig in the NFL.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

the guys that can't gain admission to a division I program based on grades an test scores can draw the relatively simply conclusion that our offense sucks.

 

[OEMDawg]

If you were a 17 year old who dreamed of playing in the NFL you'd be an idiot if you didn't make the same decision.</p>

Croom was an offensive coordinator in the NFL just like Crowton. I don't think we can hold it against Croom that he wasn't able to put Mike Henig in the NFL.

********. Henig had no shot at the NFL but Crooms was obviously confident in him that he didn't recruit another qb till a full year later. I think after these last four years you can pretty much throw out Crooms NFL OC experience. Comparing what he did to what Crowton did in the NFL and BYU is laughable.

 

[olemissbydamn]

If you were a 17 year old who dreamed of playing in the NFL you'd be an idiot if you didn't make the same decision.</p>

Croom was an offensive coordinator in the NFL just like Crowton. I don't think we can hold it against Croom that he wasn't able to put Mike Henig in the NFL.

Both Croom & Crowton had short lived NFL OC careers.

However, Crowton has spent much of his career as a college OC. A successful one at that.

 

[olemissbydamn]

I think with Garrett they get a drop back guy with potential, AND they keep him from MSU, where he also could potentially hurt LSU down the road.

I think you got the better end of the Garrett/Russell sweepstakes. As a pro-style QB, I think you got the best one in the state. However, that doesn't change the fact that Garrett was Croom's first choice and the fact that LSU also evaluated him highly.

Do you really believe that LSU, in a tight recruiting year, wasted a slot on Garrett just to keep him from MSU. I'll promise you that MSU "hurting him down the road" never occurred to him. That's like saying Bama took a player from OM to prevent getting "hurt down the road". Look at the series record of late.

 

[Goat Holder]

the big boys think of us (MS schools) as beneath them, and they want to keep us there. They don't want to have to get up for an extra two games each year, they want to think of us as wins. I don't care what the series records are, they want to keep them that way.

And they didn't "waste" a slot. They took a good player with potential from MSU and got him on their side. If it was some marginal player they wouldn't have done it anyway. They probably could have found a player with equal talent as Garrett somewhere else but why not Garrett? They had their man anyway in Shepherd.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Settle down Chief. I'm not comparing Croom to Crowton. I'm just saying that there aren't many coaches in college football who have NFL experience as an offensive coordinator. That's a pretty big deal to someone who aspires to play in the NFL. Obviously, he needs to show that he can put up points at the college level. That really goes without saying by now doesn't it?

And how many times does it have to be said for it to sink in? Crooms decision to not sign a QB wasn't due to confidence in Henig, it was due to not being able to land anyone. I would much rather us not sign a QB than sign another Ty Evans.</p>

 

[saddawg]

And how many times does it have to be said for it to sink in? Crooms decision to not sign a QB wasn't due to confidence in Henig, it was due to not being able to land anyone.
</p>

Wrong. He passed on a couple of Mississippi kids, who were better than Henig.

 

[Coach34]

the man made alot of mistakes Columbus, just man up and admit it</p>

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Wrong. He passed on a couple of Mississippi kids, who were better than Henig.

Sorry saddawg, but my aspirations for a QB recruit are higher than just "better than Henig". What a joke.

Croom also knew that there were 3 talented QB's in MS this year and he didn't want to jeopardize that. You have to remember, 2 years ago, he thought Garrett was in the bag.

 

[Goat Holder]

While I agree he should have gone after those two, in his defense, he did go hard after Barnes (or at least tried) and Perriwinkle. And he did take Rutland, who many thought was pretty good until his knee injury his senior year. I cannot explain Ty Evans, he just sucked and everyone knew it.

 

[8dog]

at QB from MS? Where are they playing now?

 

[patdog]

Garrett would have been the man at MSU. He was the first choice.

No he wouldn't have been. We were recruiting Tyler Russell whether we kept Garrett or not. And Russell would have kept Garrett on the bench his entire career at MSU, just like he'll be his entire career at LSU. The difference is he probably would have played enough at MSU to make it worth his while to finish his career at MSU. I suspect he'll spend a couple of years at LSU, then transfer to a I-AA school to finish his career.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

How do I excuse him, by looking at the facts? By being in touch with the reality of the situation?

Croom has made a ton of mistakes and I have called him out on all of them. Fortunately, he has changed his tune on a lot things that he was previously wrong about. The offense is the only thing that hasn't shown much improvement, but I am willing to see how this year plays out as I stated the other day.</p>

 

[saddawg]

Croom passed on one guy that ran a 4.6 forty, was 6-4 210 pounds, that was a high jump champ, and could throw the **** out of it..

The other, also bigger than Henig ,threw 96 TDs in about 25 high school games.

I'd say that's a little more than "just better" than Henig.

 

[patdog]

Sorry saddawg, but my aspirations for a QB recruit are higher than just "better than Henig". What a joke.

Croom also knew that there were 3 talented QB's in MS this year and he didn't want to jeopardize that. You have to remember, 2 years ago, he thought Garrett was in the bag.

Everybody's aspirations for a QB recruit are higher than just "better than Henig." The point was he didn't even meet that lower standard until he signed Carroll (a year after he didn't sign anybody). And no QB in the 2009 signing class would have been swayed from coming to MSU by a QB he could have signed in the 2006 class. Not to mention it would be idiotic to not sign a decent QB in 2006 because of any effect it might have on a QB we would be recruiting for 2009 to start with.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

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[8dog]

d

 

[futaba.79]

of this mystery QB.

 

[olemissbydamn]

nm

 

[Todd4State]

who has LSU put in the NFL that has had success? JaMarcus Russell is well on his way to becoming a bust. Matt Flynn and Matt Mauck were good college QB's, but not exactly NFL starters. Craig Nall is a career back-up.

Hell, Ole Miss has a better track record at producing QB's than they do.

 

[olemissbydamn]

It's always fun to search the topics from the day a recruit commits, then read the hype while he is a commit, then read the comments from the day he decommits, and finally to the present. You know...to see how people's opinions change.

For some reason, the guy is an All American when he commits. Yet he progressively gets worse after decommitting despite the fact that he hasn't played a game.

Use the search forum at the top. Search "Garrett". Start reading backwards from page 22. Then jump to the period where he decommits around 3/37/08.

See who is consistent with their opinions. Some forget that they have a track record. Some stay consistent.

It's no different with our fans.

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[mstateglfr]

FWIW

 

[Stormrider81]

I don't know where you get the idea that I don't think our offense is bad, but you're totally in error there. Our offense is terrible, I readily admit that. We need a change at OC, again I admit that. However, would putting up more numbers per game have landed us Garrett? I doubt it. I think the guy got down there at BR and got to looking at National Titles, BCS and SEC trophies, their big stadium, etc and State fell woefully short. Now, I'm not saying woe is us, we can't compete, what I am saying is sometimes we lose a player because the other program is simply better.

The bottom line is winning and as long as we win I could care less what we do offensively.

 

[Coach34]

he all but said if our offense wasnt so ******, he would have come here...he's danced around it all he could

 

[Coach34]

who has LSU put in the NFL that has had success? JaMarcus Russell is well on his way to becoming a bust. Matt Flynn and Matt Mauck were good college QB's, but not exactly NFL starters. Craig Nall is a career back-up.

Hell, Ole Miss has a better track record at producing QB's than they do.

he is trying not to come right out and say he didnt come here because our offense was so ******...he is dancing around it all he can....

 

[OEMDawg]

you just made his point. You named 4 guys from the last decade that are currently in the NFL. Name that many from MSU. We aren't talking about NFL careers here we are talking about having nice enough career in college to get there. Matt Flynn missed 2 games last year and still finished with over 2100 yards and 21 td, both of which would shatter the MSU record books. Garrett could be a bust or success anywhere he goes. Nobody can predict the future. But given the track record of both programs at this time it is not that hard of a decision. The West Crap or a real college offense. ......hmmm that's a toughy.

 

[Stormrider81]

It appears you've put on blinders and highlighted only what you wanted. Real shocker there, not in form for you at all. Garrett also mentioned the school producing NFL QBs, but I see you didn't point to that. Could it be because the failure to accomplish that can't be solely laid on this administration but has been an age old problem at State?

Did offense have an effect? Probably. Still, you have a choice between LSU and State, what do you take? A team with two national titles this decade, mutliple SEC titles, in regularly in BCS bowls, has put several QBs in the NFL, is on TV a bunch in primetime and in the major CBS slot, has a huge following, etc? Or a team with no national titles ever, no SEC titles since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, has only played in one SEC title game, has never played in a BCS bowl, a modest following, 6 years of crappy football prior to last year (and really a whole history of crappy football), etc? Seriously, I'm not excusing Croom from his failure to sign a QB the first few years he was here, but losing one to LSU right now I can't really get mad over.

 

[jackstefano]

a 4* recruit from a couple years ago. if garrett is very good, he may see some time there, but the competition is very stout, even with perilloux gone.

 

[Todd4State]

but how do you explain the other good looking recruits that we have commited like Patterson, Russell, Smith from Meridian among others?

How come Hawaii isn't reeling in every top recruit in the country?

I'll tell you what gets good offensive players in to a school, non-9th grade football perspective, is winning.

 

[studentdawg87]

I assume you are talking about Greenlee. I have played against him and the fact that he isn't playing D1 ball amazes me. If you happen to go by the intramural fields and see him play there is no question he is more talented than any QB on our roster.

 

[Coach34]

we havent signed any of these guys yet...we could still lose Russell to somebody else down the line...I wont get excited about him until January, after he has taken some visits, and he is still committed...

Hawaii recruits by video for one thing..their recruiting budget is small, thats a major reason June Jones left...plus, its halfway around the world and many people arent willing to go that far to play...

 

[Harley Weewax]

Sit Yuku Sit. Good dog.

 

[Todd4State]

the point is those guys committed to us even with our crappy offense last year. I doubt that they would commit if they didn't at least intend to come- which may or may not change- and they are doing it despite your premise that people won't come if we have a crappy offense.