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Clemson leaving ACC????????
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A beaver, tiger and cougar walk into a bar
Or maybe Clemson will officially announce that they will be leaving the ACC. This change is effective 2037, after the current ACC Grant of Rights expires.
If it happens, our rival will likely be back in the same conference as we are. That is the strongest possibility. Throw away all this stupid crap about "they won't add anything", etc. It will be the SEC or the Big 12. I'm thinking the former.
Why would the SEC add them or FSU? It would not expand the "footprint" or add many eyeballs. 16 teams is plenty.
What exactly are you basing your eyeball numbers on. Look at any reports you want, those two teams are at the top. This isn’t about foot prints and markets. This is about matchups and eyeballs. Despite what you want to claim. They bing eyeballs. The third most watched game at freaking noon last Saturday. 6.7 million. 4.6 watched Duke beat Clemson. They both being eyeballs. Take the garnet glasses off and pay attention.
According to media.com which averaged every football team in 2022, Clemson comes in 10th nationally as most watched. They averaged 3M people per game. Like I said open your eyes.
We've been through this multiple times, Clemson gets so many eyes because of their time slots and networks. Them vs FSU was the best game at noon, aired on ABC, and went to OT so of course it's going to be widely viewed. Any ABC game should beat any ESPN game just based on availability of the channels. The fact they weren't the 1st or 2nd most watched game is pretty bad considering all it had going for it. The game vs Duke was on a Monday night by itself. If we played Tennessee Monday night with no other college or NFL games to compete with we'd have well over 4.6 million viewers.
Chicken and egg. Do they get good viewership because of slots, or get good slots because of viewership?
I've seen where they rate in terms of viewership, and I have a hard time believing it's just because they get a certain slot. Especially when there are consistently 3 or 4 games on at a time all Saturday.
Clem will certainly get sued over the GOR. They’re not getting an invite until there’s a resolution to that. Or at least a clear path to a resolution. It will be interesting to see it play out. Nobody has ever challenged a GOR. You have to think the ACC doesn't want the first one to go badly for them. If they settle and let Clem out with a fee, others will be lining up right behind them. I don't think the ACC can afford to not empty the chamber. They're going to have to do all they can to stop it. And if they can't stop it, they're going to have to make is as painful as possible for Clem to deter others from following.
If they come to the SEC Dabo will be fired within the first 3 years. Remember this!
There are more players than the ones you mentioned in this latest development, and those players are the ones who are the power brokers
No one has ever challenged a GOR simply because there was never an overriding desire to do so, now there is.
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I know every deal is different, but the fact that there are more involved makes it more dire for the ACC to fight this to the death. If they lose FSU, CU, UNC, and VT they're dead anyway.
Establishing a precedent is always difficult.
Here's to hoping CU gets the piss sued out of them, kicked out of the ACC, and has to wander as an independent for the next 13 years!!
This guy has been pretty spot on from the beginning of the drama. To think, all this smoke starting popping off b/c Gene F'n Sapakoff wrong an article. What a world.
Clemson has an easy path to the playoffs. They always won't be upset like this year. Is the money disparage so great to want to give this up? Maybe they think they will start getting out bid for recruits?
NIL presents a lot of unknowns. If it's ever ruled that schools have to split their media revenue with players it will be the end of them. I think that's why they're trying so hard to get out right now. How many times have you been laughed at by a clemson fan b/c of "all that SEC money and no trophies"?? Currently the money isn't THAT big of a deal. But it could be HUGE in the future.
Mike Morgan just reported sources he has that would know say that UNC is more preferred than Clem as it relates to the SEC.
The ACC is going to be fighting 3 lawsuits simultaneously. FSU, UNC and Clemson are all going to court.
If this comes to fruition, sure. Teams like Wake, GT, LOU, Cuse, Pitt, BC, etc...are going to be "all in" to fight it until the death. They are all screwed if the ACC implodes. They can't get $50M/yr anywhere else. ND will also have a say in how this goes down.
I'm still thinking this is positioning for negotiations on how the unequal distributions are going to be structured. We'll keep hearing stuff like this until next year's ACC meetings. The month before those meetings will be chaos.
The ACC won’t implode. espn is locked into that contract till 2036. It works both ways. That’s why they added schools. As long as the ACC doesn’t drop below 14 the status quo of the contract remains in tact.
If one is able to prove you can get out, they're going to lose several more. There's a risk they get below that number even with the adds. That's why I think the ACC will fiercely fight it.
The one item that caught my eye was "even as University of South Carolina officials try to block Clemson from the SEC". I would like to know if or what moves\conversations initiated by Carolina "officials" are happening in back rooms filled with smoke and bourbon and if it would have anything to do with the rumored coalition with Fla, Georgia, and Kentucky to keep rivals out.
I think that's it. USC, UGA, UF, and UK all have other viable P5 programs in their states. My guess is they'll likely try to bring OU and UT into that alliance as well. Why would any current program want to share their footprint with an instate rival?
Apparently no one asked TAMU that question, oh wait, they did.
It's UT. There are 2, maybe 3 programs in the country that would trump whatever any member wants. It's UT, ND, and you can debate all day about a potential third. But if you have a chance to land either one of those two, you do it. Clemson ain't UT.
They certainly aren't. But I think the precedence is set that the conference will do what it wants as a whole. We would need to get a lot of teams on board with a no vote, and I don't think iga gives a crap about GT. Maybe Florida would be on board with us.
Could be BS, but I've always heard USC and UGA had a handshake agreement. Prior to Kirby, GT had as many modern day NCs as UGA...1. Don't get it twisted...they hate GT.
THIS.
Don't think for one minute that we have that much clout we could circumvent what Sankey "highly recommends" the path forward should be.
I haven't looked to see if someone else has already responded, so I apologize if I am late to the game. The idea of expanding the footprint or accessing specific geographic markets isn't really a driving force anymore. These days, it's about creating match ups that are marketable to a much broader audience thanks to national streaming. The idea is that teams like FSU and CU being in the SEC will create more of these types of pairings.
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Clemson in the SEC could happen. It would not bother me (it would Dabo though) because their smooth, easy road to the playoffs would be OVER. I think that's a good thing because that easy road helps their recruiting way, way more than SEC affiliation would. That being said, only if ESPN increases the payouts to the SEC so there's no pay cut do I see the SEC adding schools from within its existing footprint. But bear in mind that Disney owns ESPN (and there are rumors that Disney wants to have someone take ESPN off their hands). Disney is not in the best of financial health, as evidenced by their stock price imploding 57% in the past 2 1/2 years. I'm not sure what impact that might have. Also, it was mentioned above that Texas came in even though Texas A&M was not agreeable. I'd be careful with that analogy. Texas is THE school in that state. That is totally different from clemson and FSU. There's a reason why Texas had its own network but TAM did not.