Cohen is straight tearing it up.......

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I'm telling you, Polk, McNickle and Co. were holding us back. Raffo wasn't a bad hitting coach, but I think Cohen is better. Polk made some ridiculous on-field decisions and McNickle, well, that goes without saying, when every pitcher on our staff gets hurt.

We have some hitting talent and I'll bet my truck that our pitching improves significantly.
 

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So we got 4 years of baseball to get one. Might as well win the last one.

If this was the case though us being M-State we would be scheduled to play in the BCS championship on Jaunuary 8th, 2013.
 

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and still be the worst staff in the SEC. Next year's team will have the least talent we've ever had since the Polk I era started. I don't care how great our coaches are, you've got to have a certain amount of talent to win games and we just don't have it. There's a reason Cohen has said he'll sign 14-20 players this year. He knows the ones that are already here aren't going to win games for him.
 

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there was no excuse for us to be 3-9 in Crooms 3rd season and you all know it. Crooms inherited a bad situation but had a few very damn good players (what, 4 of them in the NFL?). He got lucky last season to go 7-5 and thats a plus for him. We'll see if he is here to stay this season.
 

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But I'll say right now that my expectations for Cohen's 3rd year are a hell of a lot higher than my expectations for Croom's 3rd year were when we hired him. I was hoping we could maybe get to .500 by Croom's 3rd year. I'm hoping we can host a regional and a super regional and play in the CWS by Cohen's 3rd year.

As for excuses being for whiners and losers, I find that interesting since you're full of excuses for 2001-2003, but won't accept any for 2004 or 2005.
 

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Only way i'll be concerned is if we arent in Omaha by the end of his 5th season.
We better be hosting a super by 2011, meaning we have a really good shot at Omaha right there.
 

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I've given coach as much as hell as anyone else on this board, but to be fair to him, when he says "we better be rolling in year 3" his definition of "rolling" for football and baseball are most likely completely different. Speaking hypothetically, according to coach, Croom could have had us rolling in year 3 with a 5-7 record and Cohen could have us rolling with hosting a regional and/or super in year 3.
 

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rhs43 said:
I don't think he's being sarcastic.

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I'm not sure if you were talking about my post, but I was definitely being sarcastic given the discussions on here a week or so back following Yancy's homeristic posts on the Spirit board regarding our baseball recruiting. If you didn't pick up on that, you must not have been around a couple weeks back.
 

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Polk did direct MSU to the SEC championship, hosting of the South Regional, and a trip to Omaha in 1979-- his fourth season at MSU, and 2012 would be Cohen's fourth season.
 

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scheduled Arkansas State to begin with.

I wouldn't be all that shocked if we actually started playing them more. It probably depends on just how bad Raffo's feelings were hurt.

I am considering going to Oxford to see them play out of curiousity. Not that I think we would have talent like ASU (well, OK we might) but I would be more interested to see what kind of style they play.

I just don't buy that Raffo would've been all that different than Polk.</p>
 

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Henry Kissinger said:
We have the greatest baseball program and tradition in the entire country. Of course players are going to come to State over Ole Miss. Every time. Typical Rebel.

Shouldn't you win a few more NC's before claiming to have the greatest baseball program in the entire country?
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I think we will be better next year than most realize. With an actual pitching coach the staff should be a little better. i have a family member on the team who told me that the pitchers were rarely at 100% during game time because of the ridiculous crap McNickel had them doing during the week. I feel pretty confident things will be better next year
 

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Are you really going to argue that the 4 seeded Fresno State Bulldogs who lost around 30 games were the best team this year? They won the games when they mattered and they certainly deserved to be national champions but that doesn't take away from the original point that you can have a NC type team and not make it to Omaha. No, I am not referring to Ole Miss. Look at Vandy in 2007. I will make a prediction, MSU will not go to Omaha in the next 5 years. I think Cohen will do great things at MSU but just playing the odds makes me a hell of a lot more likely to be right than those calling for a NC in the next 5 years.
 

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He said they weren't necessarily a better team than the other 63 teams in the tournament, but they didn't have to be. All they had to do was be better than 6 of those teams, and they only had to do that for one game each.

BTW, I'm going to predict that you're wrong about us not getting to Omaha in the next 5 years. We've been 7 times in the past 30 years, which is an average of about once every five years. And we finally have a coach who gives a **** about winning again. Odds are we'll get back there by 2013.</p>
 

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Because its sure as hell a dumbass post.

You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Miami (wasn't it 7 first round picks?)was last year?

You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other draftees)?

You believe a 4-seed Fresno State that had to win their conference tournament JUST TO GET INTO THE REGIONAL was more talented than LSU, who had a 21 game (or 22?) win streak at the end of the season?

If this post by you is any indication of your knowledge of baseball, or sports in general, then BY God Allah Yahweh, I pray for your precious little soul. Oh, and one more thing....

 

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I mean, we were there a year ago with a coaching staff that had basically mailed in the last six years. We now have a coach who seems to be recruiting much better players, but there's no shot we make it back in 5 years? Seems like someone's projecting their baseball frustrations on us...
 

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do you suppose Polk knew that Cohen will outdo him, in quick fashion?

where as, Raffo, would keep things the same old same old without much threat to Polk's legacy?
 

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but I do believe State will be back to hosting regionals and possibly Supers in less than 5 years...get to the CWS? It could happen almost any year to any team that gets hot.

Or, perhaps this is your problem...

 

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but now it really does make sense. Polk knew both presonalities and capabilities, and after having to coach against John, could have easily seen what he would bring.

I think thats a very possible reason.
 

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The fact that you believe Fresno State was less talented and lucked their way to winning a national championship-- not to mention your nomination of the previous post for SPS Remembers makes me think that way. I know-- likely more my perception than anything actual...

I think of Fresno State's title this year in the same way I think of St. Louis's World Series win in 2006. Both teams were very talented (the Bulldogs were ranked in some preseason polls-- making them equivalent to a 2-seed roughly and the Cardinals are a team that has been consistently good but underperformed).

Sometimes regular season powerhouses like Miami, Arizona State, Ole Miss, and the Detroit Tigers can't get it done during the postseason for various reasons. That's baseball.
 

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was that some NC calibur teams don't make it, but some teams that are obviously lesser talented (Miami and Fresno aren't even comparable...the talent diff is ridiculous) can get on a hot run and win it all in baseball.

Goat challenged that stating that Fresno was definitely an NC talented team and as talented as any team worthy of winning a NC.

That assertion is false.

Talent-wise, Fresno wasn't even in the same bracket as Miami, UNC, Arizona State, Georgia, or LSU, and likely several other teams in Supers.

But they got hot at the right time, much like the last two OSU teams that were mediocre during regular season play and got hot in the postseason.
 

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on average. So it's ludicrous to think that the best team in the country couldn't possibly lose 2 games in a postseason series.
 

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Polk's no idiot. He knows he's done a terrible job the past 7 years and he knows Cohen is one of the best coaches in the game today. His ego doesn't want to see him get shown up by one of his own former players. I still think the #1 reason for Polk's tirade is that he promised Raffo the job (even though he denies it), but I think one reason he promised it to Raffo is that he knew Raffo wouldn't be much more than Polk III. Especially in light of the fact that he planned to stay heavily involved with the program. </p>
 

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I think he also knows that he can't dick Cohen around and say, coach a game or two for old times sake if he felt like it.

In fact, Raffo is probably the only coach in America that would let Polk do that, and I'm sure that whenever Polk wanted a favor, he could conveniently remind Raffo that the job would not be his if it weren't for him. I'm still waiting to see if Polk ends up at ASU with him, and if I was Raffo, I would cut at least the direct ties for a little while.

I do think that Polk was trying to protect his assistants and his players to a degree, as well. He knew that by retiring, unless MSU named Raffo or McNickle the new HC, his staff would probably be out of a job- and he also knew that their next jobs wouldn't be at a place like MSU. And when you get a new staff, promises that were made during recruiting go out the window, which in a sport where making millions is possibly at stake, at least in most of the parents minds, even if their son is a walk-on second baseman, that's a big deal. There's also the possiblity that the players could get cut- including some of Polk's favorites.

One interesting thing that I noticed is that during the LONG period between Polk's retirement and Cohen's hiring is that Polk mentioned that Raffo would be different. That tells me that Polk knew what the fans wanted and wouldn't do it.
 
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WillemWallace said:
You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Miami (wasn't it 7 first round picks?)was last year?

You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other draftees)?

You believe a 4-seed Fresno State that had to win their conference tournament JUST TO GET INTO THE REGIONAL was more talented than LSU, who had a 21 game (or 22?) win streak at the end of the season?
Sure seems like it. Since when did "talented through and through" = best? Was it Orgeron that fooled your dumb *** into thinking that? You are even dumber than I thought.

You just made my sig with that Georgia quote, pal.
 

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Who cares about the talent of this team versus this team? Following Fresno State through the Super Regionals and College World Series is the most fun I have following a non-State team in years. They had more heart than Miami. All of those draft picks had their mind on the rookie league they were joining the next week. You had the right-fielder playing without use of his thumb. Susdorf made big hit after big hit. The 3rd baseman ate up everything within reach of him. The short stop had a brilliant run outside of the last game. North Carolina, Miami and Georgia simply weren't as fun to watch. Fresno State was a TEAM.
 

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and a couple of others here even before any hire had been made. I don't think there is any doubt that the great one really didn't want anyone to come in that might somehow do things at a level that would begin to overshadow his own accomplishments. You don't have an ego like he has and those thoughts not come into play.
 

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no doubt that Fresno State was the best team in college baseball once post-season started They won a pretty tough regional and then went into Arizona State and won (a task our Reb friends should know is difficult). Then I saw pretty much every game at the CWS and they won the tougher 4 team bracket (beating NC and Rice) and then beat the other 4 team bracket winner (Georgia) with a totally used up pitching staff. No doubt they deserved to win the title.</p>
 

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That wasn't really a prediction. I'm sure Cohen will get y'all back there at some point. My point was just to say that it is pretty hard to make it to Omaha and really hard to win it all once you get there. Those who are actually predicting a NC sometime in the next 5 years are being pretty naive.
 
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