I can't speak to why others might prefer the expanded format over the current CFP + bowl system but, in my case anyway, as a fan, there seems to be more, meaningful games.
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Yes, but suddenly mediocrity (10-2) should be good enough to get in the playoff.
Franklin can go 10-2, get in the playoff, and demand an extension/raise for making said playoff.
Good thing this a random football message board and not where decision makers come to for solutions.
Well, it CERTAINLY means more games. Without question. Doesn't take LionJim to figure out the math
And that is why it is happening (more games = more $$)
For fans who view college football as "NFL-lite" (and for Conference Czars, ADs, Coaches, Univ. Presidents, etc. who's only concerns are mo' money) - its a no-brainer - I would think. Even more so if they went to 16, or 24, or whatever.
10-2 is not mediocrity. The expanded playoffs will be great for PSU.Yes, but suddenly mediocrity (10-2) should be good enough to get in the playoff.
Franklin can go 10-2, get in the playoff, and demand an extension/raise for making said playoff.
Bob, I thought that we had already settled this. Mediocrity is good. It's desirable. It's the goal.Yes, but suddenly mediocrity (10-2) should be good enough to get in the playoff.
Franklin can go 10-2, get in the playoff, and demand an extension/raise for making said playoff.
It's only more money if more people want it. If they didn't, nobody will pay the advertising fees that support the payment for broadcast rights that represents the major portion the money going to Conference Czars, ADs, Coaches, Univ. Presidents, BsOTWell, it CERTAINLY means more games. Without question. Doesn't take LionJim to figure out the math
And that is why it is happening (more games = more $$)
For fans who view college football as "NFL-lite" (and for Conference Czars, ADs, Coaches, Univ. Presidents, etc. who's only concerns are mo' money) - its a no-brainer - I would think. Even more so if they went to 16, or 24, or whatever.
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No down side Woodpecker, I just don’t think it changes much once it gets down to 4 teams. Than it would have been if you just selected 4.
Will it help the recruiting of teams? Maybe a little, I don’t think it’s will be dramatically different for PS.
I guess it comes down to whether you prefer existing bowl games over playoff games
No doubt. Definitely a market there, at least as of now.It's only more money if more people want it. If they didn't, nobody will pay the advertising fees that support the payment for broadcast rights that represents the major portion the money going to Conference Czars, ADs, Coaches, Univ. Presidents, BsOT
Could be some lucrative side deals for those BOT members. I kid. I kid.It's only more money if more people want it. If they didn't, nobody will pay the advertising fees that support the payment for broadcast rights that represents the major portion the money going to Conference Czars, ADs, Coaches, Univ. Presidents, BsOT
Me neither. We're problem creators. That's the hard part. Solutions are easy peasy. You could go any social media site for solutions. I'm disgusted just thinking that anyone on this board would want that to be our forte.
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The Athletic says under the new 12 team playoff format, 66 different schools would have made an appearance beginning in 1998. PSU 7 times (which is fewer than Wisconsin, TCU, Boise State, and Oregon among others). OSU would have been in the most with 18 appearances (Bama would have been in 13).
I’m not against expansion, I just don’t think teams 5-12 will get to the final 4 very often. It will happen and be refreshing when it does. I don’t think it changes recruiting much if your a team that gets there and gets smoked in round one like some claim.
If you don’t think it will change recruiting, why do you think most top talent goes to Alabama year after year? Tuscaloosa night life? You can play football anywhere. You can prepare for the pros anywhere. You can go to bowls anywhere….you can’t go to the CFP anywhere. It’s one of about a half dozen schools, and they all have the best recruiting classes.
I'm a big fan of automatic bids and anything that removes the nonsensical subjectivity. It's ridiculous that teams do not know what exactly needs to be done to qualify when they build their schedules or start the season. The only surefire criteria is to go undefeated in a P5 conference. Anything else and it's a dog and pony show where your goal is more about impressing a stupid committee rather than simply winning the games on the schedule.
Every other pro sport has automatic bids. So what if Purdue were to make it, they would have earned it by winning the conference and if the Big 10 doesn't like having a 4 loss conference champ then it's on them to revise the way they choose a champion. The likelihood of a Purdue getting through 2-3 rounds of the playoffs would still be rare anyway, but as the champ of a P5 they should at least get the opportunity.
Give automatic bids to at least the P5s but I'd argue for every conference champ to either be included, or to be moved to a separate division apart from the P5s so we can stop pretending like G5s matter. Either give them a shot or make them FCS, Div-1AA, or whatever you want to call it. Keep a couple of at large spots for rare exceptions and use defined metrics like win percentage, schedule strength, etc. to award them, then do a single elimination bracket. Done.
I don't agree with the retractable roof but PSU needs to do whatever it takes to ensure the stadium can host a potential December playoff game. This should be a non-negotiable investment given the new playoff rules. PSU getting the opportunity and opting not to host would be insane given the home environment and the boon to the local economy.
You mean you don’t like using ‘Best Loss’ and ‘Eye Test’ to select playoff teams!?
I don't understand this argument at all. Who cares? Let them settle it on the field and see what happens. This whole mindset of "these teams aren't good enough to win so they shouldn't be allowed to compete" is ridiculous. If that were true, let's just award championships based on recruiting rankings and skip the season entirely.
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Home teeam will receive a fee for hosting the game that might include a percentage of the gate, parking, concessions etc. Bulk of the revenue goes to the CFP organization.
Currently, the CFP pays each participant in a CFP game $2.7mm+ for expenses. I expect that practice will continue, but that amounts will be less for the preliminary games.
We will agree to disagree.
The great thing about CFB over any other sport was how much the regular season means. Every game matters.
I don't want an 8-4 national champion no matter how much they "deserve" it. Don't lose 4 regular season games if you want in the playoff.
Nothing feels like a big regular season CFB game. Duke/UNC is cute, but when both are making the tourney, how much does it really matter? Michigan/OSU with the loser out of the playoff....no comparison. Think about what you lose in those types of games if both participants know they're in the playoff no matter the outcome.
I get the present system is a beauty contest, but you can't tell me that if it expands to 12 teams that any truly deserving teams are getting left out.
Again if the same teams make it to the final 4, they still get the bulk of the recruits it all I’m saying
Maybe, but could be less of a consideration going forward.
my understanding is that B10 is moving to eliminate conferences.
This will result in top 2 teams in conference championship game. In most recent years this would eliminate the B10 west pretender. the tie breaker rules need to updated and well thought through to eliminate OSU - SCum bias.
Some day you'll meet the right girl and all that will change for you.
I gotta say that having 131 FBS independents appeals to my inner anarchist, with the added appeal of never having to hear an "S-E-C! S-E-C!" chant again.
With the new BIG tv contract, each team will receive annual revenue between $80 million and $100 million.
So, financing an additional $300 million for a retractable roof would be easy for a major program like Penn State.
I think the idea is a good one.
Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
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Except that more than $50mm of that is currently distributed and spent by PSU.With the new BIG tv contract, each team will receive annual revenue between $80 million and $100 million.
So, financing an additional $300 million for a retractable roof would be easy for a major program like Penn State.
I think the idea is a good one.
Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
But getting back to the subject of the roof, how about the financing for what goes under it?
You mean the $ 1 billion to build the stadium? Who cares? The BOT (except for Barry) has long since forgotten about the word "fiduciary". They can spend as much as they want. After all, it's not their money!!!!
Maybe Populous could figure out a way to just plop a retractable roof on top of the current configuration. That would be AWESOME!
Getting back to the cost thing. As of now, it just doesn't add up. It would not seem possible without large donations from a group of supporters and/or a naming rights deal. What corporation would go for a naming rights deal in a "population center" this small?
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Already a good way there:
Just need six or so cranes to raise it.
It would be an interesting venture. However, in order to do it, prety sure significant structural support will be needed. And that may entail structural support outside the physical limits of the stadium. Which would be both aesthetically challenging as well as create an issue with pedestrian flow around the stadium.
Most of that money is already spent.With the new BIG tv contract, each team will receive annual revenue between $80 million and $100 million.
So, financing an additional $300 million for a retractable roof would be easy for a major program like Penn State.
I think the idea is a good one.
Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
What hasn't yet been spent (because it hasn't yet been received) will be spent about one nanosecond after receipt - unless something changes drastically wrt fiscal management.
There are already a litany of unpaid debits in the ICA ledger - and a whole lot of stuff on the to-do list.
Summary: "Big Ten Media revenue", which has jumped extraordinarily in recent years (allowing PSU, and many other schools, to remain more or less solvent, when they otherwise would have been toast), won't come anywhere close to being close to being in the ballpark of financing a new stadium (or even the "roof" of a new stadium), the likes of which have been deliberated.
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