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I really enjoyed coaching rec ball. Probably took it too seriously but those kids won multiple state championships in HS ball and many had the opportunity to play after HS. Now, our rec league is pathetic and our HS program is dead because those leagues are worthless other than baby sitting for a few hours a week.
 

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Typically a couple things:
1. in coach pitch no fear of HBP - get to kid pitch and that fear gets real. some are able to work through it and some check out - you get to 11 and you have some kids that are mid to upper 70s - my 10yr old playing up in a 11u tourney in ATL spent a month in concussion protocol after his 3rd HBP to the head (last at 74) - no symptoms till the following Tuesday - the fear can become real very quick - luckily for him he has zero fear (having 6 surgeries before 7 can do that)

2. parents realizing the work it will take to be even decent start pushing their kid to other activities

3. Parents mistake lack of skill as lack of effort and make life miserable for kid and they just begin to hate it

for 2 and 3, parents don’t want to play the long game (be good by 17-18) because they want their kid good now because it’s more fun on the socials and in friend circles
I have a friend/former coworker that lives in Alabama. His son is okay but likes to go hit in the cages. It is a great father/son time, and they have fun. He told me horror stories of the dads and moms that are there pushing their kids by screaming, etc. My favorite story he told was about a single mom that was known for posting Facebook posts of her son. Son clearly hates the sport, but she needs him to hit so she can find that man. BTW, she has landed a few.
 
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I have a friend/former coworker that lives in Alabama. His son is okay but likes to go hit in the cages. It is a great father/son time, and they have fun. He told me horror stories of the dads and moms that are there pushing their kids by screaming, etc. My favorite story he told was about a single mom that was known for posting Facebook posts of her son. Son clearly hates the sport, but she needs him to hit so she can find that man. BTW, she has landed a few.
The single mom thing is definitely a thing. Instead of barflies we call them ballflies.
 
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None of what you said is true. But you keep doubling down on it.

Perhaps speak on topics you know something about going forward.
Right. Again i can tell by how you speak you havent been involved in travel ball for 5 years let alone 20. You are bitter because your kid(s) couldnt pass the mustard and play on the good travel teeams and the rec league is awful...
 

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The single mom thing is definitely a thing. Instead of barflies we call them ballflies.
Had another coworker that played juco ball and helped coach a team for extra cash. He was 24/25 at the time. He would clean up on the weekends with moms. His downfall was not playing a kid after the mom came over to his hotel room.
 

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Right. Again i can tell by how you speak you havent been involved in travel ball for 5 years let alone 20. You are bitter because your kid(s) couldnt pass the mustard and play on the good travel teeams and the rec league is awful...
Dunk Fail GIF
 
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your kid trying to make the good travel ball teams ^^^^... coming up about that short
Are you this stupid in real life too, or is it just a sixpack gimmick? You make a stupid assertion, get asked for a source, and then go to mock mode because you have been outed as a moron.

By the way, we're all waiting for you to share this "readily available" information that travel ball participation is down.

Give the folks at snowdengrovebaseball.com a call (662-890-7275). After they finish laughing at you for thinking participation is down, they'll tell you all about the 22 tournaments they are hosting this year that doesn't even include their rec league play.

That's called a source, by the way.

Or, you can just keep embarrassing yourself. Your choice.
 

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You've said before you are in the B'ham OTM leagues, if I remember correctly. Just know, you are in one of the last rec ball holdouts.
Yes to BHam, no to OTM. OTM is pseudo-travel ball, with classes and individual team fees, but a league schedule around the metro area instead of/in addition to weekend tournaments.
We're in pure Rec. At this age (13/14) only Vestavia Hills still has enough teams (10) for their own park league so we play other metro parks (which oddly also included a Vestavia team last year). 7 parks, 11 teams total.

Anyway, the point's still valid...if his park had good leadership they would have given their teams more runway.
 

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Are you this stupid in real life too, or is it just a sixpack gimmick? You make a stupid assertion, get asked for a source, and then go to mock mode because you have been outed as a moron.

By the way, we're all waiting for you to share this "readily available" information that travel ball participation is down.

Give the folks at snowdengrovebaseball.com a call (662-890-7275). After they finish laughing at you for thinking participation is down, they'll tell you all about the 22 tournaments they are hosting this year that doesn't even include their rec league play.

That's called a source, by the way.

Or, you can just keep embarrassing yourself. Your choice.
are you serious?

I'm not going to waste time posting links to USSSA or PG websites and tournament pages for someone that claims to be in invovled in travel ball for the last 20 years..

snowdengrovebaseball? 20 tournaments... what does that mean? Tell me how many teams showed up and compare that to last year, and the year before... someone with 20 years of experience in travel ball should be able to find these answers rather easily.....

again your an old man in the southaven area... who got a little taste of travel ball.. didnt like it obviously.. and now comes to a thread to speak about things he knows very little about.... its obvious to anyone that actually has been in travel ball that you havent been in travel ball for 5 years let alone 20 years, ballflies and all... LMFAO
 

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are you serious?

I'm not going to waste time posting links to USSSA or PG websites and tournament pages for someone that claims to be in invovled in travel ball for the last 20 years..

snowdengrovebaseball? 20 tournaments... what does that mean? Tell me how many teams showed up and compare that to last year, and the year before... someone with 20 years of experience in travel ball should be able to find these answers rather easily.....

again your an old man in the southaven area... who got a little taste of travel ball.. didnt like it obviously.. and now comes to a thread to speak about things he knows very little about.
I just told you who to call and ask those questions.

You're telling me what you feel. You said it's easily verifiable and I'm telling you it's not because it's not true. You'd think if it was so easily verifiable, you'd verify it. But instead you're going full retard.

Give those guys a call and educate yourself.
 

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I just told you who to call and ask those questions.

You're telling me what you feel. You said it's easily verifiable and I'm telling you it's not because it's not true. You'd think if it was so easily verifiable, you'd verify it. But instead you're going full retard.

Give those guys a call and educate yourself.
lol.. so your proof is a phone number?

and someone whsoe been involved in travel ball for 20 years is incapable for following USSSA or PG links to be able to look up teams, tournaments, rosters, and those tournaments or age groups in those tournaments that didnt make...... anyone that has been involved in travel balls for 2 years can easily find that information.

Too damn funny.

Again you and your ballflies have never been involved in travel ball.
 

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lol.. so your proof is a phone number?

and someone whsoe been involved in travel ball for 20 years is incapable for following USSSA or PG links to be able to look up teams, tournaments, rosters, and those tournaments or age groups in those tournaments that didnt make...... anyone that has been involved in travel balls for 2 years can easily find that information.

Too damn funny.

Again you and your ballflies have never been involved in travel ball.
In the old sixpack days, we'd give you a custom title: "Easily verifiable"
 

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Right. Again i can tell by how you speak you havent been involved in travel ball for 5 years let alone 20.
I'm pretty sure Drebin and I have been arguing about travel ball longer than you have been involved with it. And trust me we don't hardly agree on anything.

.. who got a little taste of travel ball.. didnt like it obviously..
You've posted this about 3 times now. Two things - who gives a 17 whether or not our kids or anybody's kids made it big, and second.....if our kids failed at travel ball.......why are we the ones sitting here saying that it's increasing in popularity? Sounds like you're the one who got butt hurt.

But regardless of anyone's feelings or failures or plastic rings........it's exploded in popularity while rec leagues continue to suffer, especially as the age goes up.
 
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In the old sixpack days, we'd give you a custom title: "Easily verifiable"
Mcdonalds is selling more fries now than they did 3 years ago... prove it? Well i see a long line at the drive thru every day at lunch time.. here's the number to call and ask them about it... ands thats how you prove a point.

So freaking dumb.
 

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I'm pretty sure Drebin and I have been arguing about travel ball longer than you have been involved with it. And trust me we don't hardly agree on anything.


You've posted this about 3 times now. Two things - who gives a 17 whether or not our kids or anybody's kids made it big, and second.....if our kids failed at travel ball.......why are we the ones sitting here saying that it's increasing in popularity? Sounds like you're the one who got butt hurt.

But regardless of anyone's feelings or failures or plastic rings........it's exploded in popularity while rec leagues continue to suffer, especially as the age goes up.
You've been aruging about travel ball for a long time then... and Drebin knows nothing about travel ball.

Agree its killed rec ball.. and it did explode it popularity, but its peaked and regressing back to the mean. Its not continuing to grow or busting at the seems as it was a few years ago. Some very once popular teams and organziations have dissolved... and popular tournaments arent making anymore or not the size they once were. You can easily go look up the numbers, teams, tournaments, etc. Or if you've really been involved from year to year for the last 7-8 years you know this just by being involved... ol drebin whose been involved for 20 should know this....

Anyone that has been involved in travel ball for the past 10 years knows this.. hence why when he says he's been involved for 20.. its a flat lie.
 

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Your custom title would be "Attracted to Ballflies."
considering no one calls them ballflies.... means its some nickname drebin and someone like goat came up with that they find funny.. while trying to find the shade at one of the travel ball touranments waiting for the 9 spot in the order to come up to watch their kid hit.
 

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You've been aruging about travel ball for a long time then... and Drebin knows nothing about travel ball.

Agree its killed rec ball.. and it did explode it popularity, but its peaked and regressing back to the mean. Its not continuing to grow or busting at the seems as it was a few years ago. Some very once popular teams and organziations have dissolved... and popular tournaments arent making anymore or not the size they once were. You can easily go look up the numbers, teams, tournaments, etc. Or if you've really been involved from year to year for the last 7-8 years you know this just by being involved... ol drebin whose been involved for 20 should know this....

Anyone that has been involved in travel ball for the past 10 years knows this.. hence why when he says he's been involved for 20.. its a flat lie.
I wonder what happened for a three year stretch during the last ten years? Maybe you were in a coma. But while you're researching how popular competitive baseball is today, maybe take a little detour and look into covid and its impacts on our country over a three year period. Then everything will start to become clear for you. But no matter how much research you do, it's not going to make your kid good enough to make that EBC AA team.
 

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I wonder what happened for a three year stretch during the last ten years? Maybe you were in a coma. But while you're researching how popular competitive baseball is today, maybe take a little detour and look into covid and its impacts on our country over a three year period. Then everything will start to become clear for you. But no matter how much research you do, it's not going to make your kid good enough to make that EBC AA team.
covid has come and gone. Its certainly not the reason why things have changed in the past 3 years let along the last 10.

Again someone who talks about "ballflies" and uses a local city park and a phone number to prove a point... knows nothing... again its like saying mcdonalds is serving more than they did in the past because they see a long line at a drive thru.

very obvious.. you spent 1-2 years in travel ball... hated it... now speak on your time involved (20 years right? LMFAO) like you know the ins and outs. Its clear to anyone that has actually been involved for even a few years... you know literally nothing which isnt a shocker.
 
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covid has come and gone. Its certainly not the reason why things have changed in the past 3 years let along the last 10.

Again someone who talks about "ballflies" and uses a local city park and a phone number to prove a point... knows nothing... again its like saying mcdonalds is serving more than they did in the past because they see a long line at a drive thru.

very obvious.. you spent 1-2 years in travel ball... hated it... now speak on your time involved like you know the ins and outs. Its clear to anyone that has actually been involved for even a few years... you know literally nothing which isnt a shocker.
Of course covid has come and gone, which is why I asked you to provide a source that shows anything other than impacts from covid affecting competitive ball participation. You can't cite one because it doesn't exist. All you have to go on is what you feel when you're cucking it with the wife watching your kid play rec ball.

I didn't give you a number to a "local city park". Snowden Grove is probably the top travel/competitive ball complex in the state. Hell, in the region. There's a reason that entire area is exploding with development and it has more to do with the small city's worth of people traveling in and out of there for tournaments every weekend.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know all of this. But of course, you'd prefer clowning yourself over learning something. It would be a lot easier for you to just take the L.
 

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Of course covid has come and gone, which is why I asked you to provide a source that shows anything other than impacts from covid affecting competitive ball participation. You can't cite one because it doesn't exist. All you have to go on is what you feel when you're cucking it with the wife watching your kid play rec ball.

I didn't give you a number to a "local city park". Snowden Grove is probably the top travel/competitive ball complex in the state. Hell, in the region. There's a reason that entire area is exploding with development and it has more to do with the small city's worth of people traveling in and out of there for tournaments every weekend.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know all of this. But of course, you'd prefer clowning yourself over learning something. It would be a lot easier for you to just take the L.
cite it... the way you cited baseball has exploded with a phone number to a local park?

Again the citing is easy... go to the PG website. There is a search bar on the side. Look thru it. Compare to years past. Can also look up teams the same way. USSSA has a similar website with an easy to navigate system as well. All teams and rosters have to be posted in order to earn their rankings and thats rather important to their organziations...... that is actually more proof that you citing a website and phone number

When there are less teams involved in tournaments.... each year for the past 3 years... it means there are less people involved. Doesnt take much more than 7th grade math to figure that out.

God another reason you know nothing... snowden grove best travel ball in the region... youve never heard of East Cobb have you... and its certainly in the region.......

I can take you to disney world and you can see everyone enjoying an amusement park. However in other parts of the area amusement parks are going bust. I can take you to vegas and you can see where casinos are dong well, but tunica is falling apart....... There are area's where travel ball is doing very well... however its NOTHING like it was 3 years ago.. 5 years ago.. or 8 years ago....when all the areas were doing well AND its not rebounding. Teams use to have 2-3 quality options to take their teams on a given weekend, now they dont. There are travel ball parks all over the state that remain empty on weekends or not getting the action they once got... was in Starkville for 3 in the past little bit... not one tournament had even half the fields going at one time, one of them didnt get more than 5 teams in ANY age group.... and thats just one of many. However you'd know that if you were involved in travel ball for the past 20 years chasing those ballflies.
 
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God another reason you know nothing... snowden grove best travel ball in the region... youve never heard of East Cobb have you... and its certainly in the region.......
Snowden Grove is bigger than East Cobb, and really even bigger than Lakepoint, which is probably what you are thinking of, but because you're a dubmass, you got yet another thing wrong.
 
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its very clear there are people in here that had a bad travel ball expereince that have warped their idea of travel ball.,

While i agree the fact that they set these tournaments up to make money is very real.. and players/families pay a lot of money to be part of it..

the reality of it is.. good travel teams are good experiences.. and for the most part you can find one that meets whatever needs you have if you really look for one. Whether that be playing 2 times a month, hardly ever practicing, picking up players.. or even teams that practice 2 times a week and play every weekend. Its all out there.... and it is all worlds better than any rec ball league.

From my anecdotal experiences listening to parents, I would say most travel teams are not a better experience for most families compared to rec ball and that most families are doing it either out of fear of missing out or because their rec league has already been killed. Certainly it's fine and enjoyable, but not more than rec would be.

I also think it depends on what age you are talking about. I don't know that anybody really cares or complains about travel ball for ages after 13 or 14. But it's a little absurd to watch people travel for coach pitch, pay for hotels, play against another team from their area that they could have played on a weekday night, and complain about it the whole time, and then watch their kids quit baseball in elementary.

And I also think it's probably geography specific. If you are in Atlanta, and you were a college athlete and/or your wife was a college athlete, maybe you do get onto travel ball teams that do generally have kids and play competition against other kids with parents that were college athletes or above, and maybe that does make a difference in development over time, even starting at age 8 or 9. But if you're in Petal or Rankin County or where ever and playing on a travel team and showing up in Foley or Birmingham or wherever and in the same tournaments as other people from your area, you're clearly not really on an elite team and probably not doing much beyond eliminating some of the weakest competition.

Again, I do think a lot of families enjoy it, but most of those families could and would enjoy rec ball and a very small minority of families are so eaten up with it that they really couldn't enjoy doing rec ball and then adding travel ball outside of rec season. And an even smaller minority of those families actually have kids that are going to be athletic enough that they will eventually need travel ball to play good enough competition. And I'm not sure any of them need better competition at age 8 or 9. The only kid I've seen playing travel soccer or baseball before age 10 that I thought legitimately needed more competition than rec could provide still had players catch up to him, even though he actually had parents that plausibly could have played college athletics.


AND yes travel ball teams and numbers are shrinking.. largely due the fact that some people are realizing its not for them or the money isnt worth it. Travel ball peaked some 5-7 years ago.. there has been a huge drop off since then.. and the numbers of teams, tournaments, and players have dropped each year for the last 3 seasons.


I hope that's true, but in our area, it looks like it's more of just a shift in the time that the teams exist, with more teams being formed for earlier, and then a lot of those players quitting earlier, but still basically the same number or more players getting involved with travel at some point and the only drop coming from Rec leagues.
 

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are you serious?

I'm not going to waste time posting links to USSSA or PG websites and tournament pages for someone that claims to be in invovled in travel ball for the last 20 years..

snowdengrovebaseball? 20 tournaments... what does that mean? Tell me how many teams showed up and compare that to last year, and the year before... someone with 20 years of experience in travel ball should be able to find these answers rather easily.....

again your an old man in the southaven area... who got a little taste of travel ball.. didnt like it obviously.. and now comes to a thread to speak about things he knows very little about.... its obvious to anyone that actually has been in travel ball that you havent been in travel ball for 5 years let alone 20 years, ballflies and all... LMFAO
You should call Ed Easley and ask his thoughts on participation numbers. He rolls multiple teams in every age group from 7u-17u, some age groups with 6 or 7 teams. Participation is not down at least in north MS.
 

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You should call Ed Easley and ask his thoughts on participation numbers. He rolls multiple teams in every age group from 7u-17u, some age groups with 6 or 7 teams. Participation is not down at least in north MS.
again.. as ive said.. EBC is one of the ones that have survived and thrived thru all this, as has east coast and some others. Its again like pointing to one restuarant and claiming that the restuarant business hasnt taken a hit over the last few years.

There is a much larger travel ball landscape that EBC...

Again i say... I can take you to vegas and you can see the bright lights and how casinos and gambling are a buzz... and then i can take you to tunica where its a ghost town compared to 5-10 years ago....... there are places that are thriving, but as a whole numbers are way down and there are empty fields at parks across the state and region on the weekends.
 

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In an effort to further this discussion, I just took a peak at PG, USSSA, and Grand Slam.
527 teams signed up to play in MS this weekend (332 GS, 82 PG, 114 USSSA) and 640 next weekend (418 GS, 87 PG, and 135 USSSA).

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In an effort to further this discussion, I just took a peak at PG, USSSA, and Grand Slam.
527 teams signed up to play in MS this weekend (332 GS, 82 PG, 114 USSSA) and 640 next weekend (418 GS, 87 PG, and 135 USSSA).

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We need a SeixPack sponsored team. We may lose the games, but we will win the fight.
 

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considering no one calls them ballflies.... means its some nickname drebin and someone like goat came up with that they find funny.. while trying to find the shade at one of the travel ball touranments waiting for the 9 spot in the order to come up to watch their kid hit.
It certainly sounds like you are making fun of peoples kids here man. Do you have kids? If so how old?
 
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