Did we jump the gun on Brad Scott?

[18IsTheMan]

Looking back, maybe we overreacted a good bit here. I know what the knee-jerk reaction will be, but it's worthy of the some thoughtful consideration.

If you look at his first 4 years, he was 22-22-1, which is pretty dadgum good around these parts. Of course, he notched our first ever bowl win in 1994, which, like it or lump it, he deserves credit for. He went 2-3 against Clemson, which is, again, pretty dadgum good around these parts and knocked them off at Clemson when they were ranked #22. He notched a few other decent wins, beating UGA and winning at LSU, then tying LSU. We were deserving of a bowl bid in the 1996 season with a 6-5 (4-4) record, but the bowl.

Yes, we had the 1-10 season, but it was something of a bad luck season. We lost a naibiter to Marshall, 24-21, but that Marshall team was pretty dadgum good, going 12-1 with a win over Louisville in their bowl game. Lost a squeaker to Ole Miss 30-28 and close ones to UK 33-28 and Vandy 17-14. If you look beneath the surface, we weren't all that far off from a 5-6 3-5) football season. Was a it a good team? No. But they weren't quite as bad as that 1-10 record would indicate.

As it is, fan sentiment had turned and soured on Scott, and the powers-that-be caved to that pressure. Would he have gone on to a long, successful career here? Probably not since nobody ever has, but I think if he had come back in 1999, we'd have seen a regression to normal level of mediocrity.

 

[80and90gcock]

Behind the scenes he and his wife were a couple of asses, and the boosters of the day hated them.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Behind the scenes he and his wife were a couple of asses, and the boosters of the day hated them.

we have boosters?

 

[will110]

Man, we really need some actual football to talk about so @18IsTheMan doesn't have to keep trying to justify why Carolina should have kept really bad football coaches even longer than they were here.

I do appreciate the efforts you take to manufacture conversation on this forum, though.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Man, we really need some actual football to talk about so @18IsTheMan doesn't have to keep trying to justify why Carolina should have kept really bad football coaches even longer than they were here.

I do appreciate the efforts you take to manufacture conversation on this forum, though.

Can you possibly muster an argument against my post?

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Behind the scenes he and his wife were a couple of asses, and the boosters of the day hated them.

Overblown ego syndrome

 

[18IsTheMan]

Overblown ego syndrome

Overblown ego of the boosters?

 

[gamecock stock]

Nobody else hired him as Head Football Coach afterwards. That says volumes.

 

[Gradstudent]

He was 1-13 in his last 14 games, with only a win against Ball State a MAC team that went 1-10 in 1998 his defense was putrid but he kept good ole Wally around, a QB went 23/24 for 315 yards and 4 touchdowns against us.

Look how much better the D played in 1999, the issue for that team was not defense but they had no Offensive Line depth, your Coach Scott the former FSU Offensive Line coach had not really developed or left much for Coach Holtz.


The answer to you question is no, the gun was not jumped, Brad Scott would of been fired after 1999 if he stayed, the real question is

 

[80and90gcock]

we have boosters?

Past tense.

 

[18IsTheMan]

He was 1-13 in his last 14 games, with only a win against Ball State a MAC team that went 1-10 in 1998 his defense was putrid but he kept good ole Wally around, a QB went 23/24 for 315 yards and 4 touchdowns against us.

That was Tee Martin, not exactly some chump. But, yeah, our D was miserable. Should have been retained with the marching orders to hire a new DC.

 

[80and90gcock]

Nobody else hired him as Head Football Coach afterwards. That says volumes.

That and the fact that he drove straight to Clemson with a carload of our proprietary material and paperwork, requiring a university official to drive to Hooterville and retrieve it. The guy was trash.

 

[will110]

Can you possibly muster an argument against my post?

Brad Scott was named head coach at Carolina about a month before I was born, so I'm not going to even try since I wasn't around to witness any of his tenure first hand.

Perhaps you're right, and 1-10 really wasn't that bad. That's not an argument I'd want to make.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Brad Scott was named head coach at Carolina about a month before I was born, so I'm not going to even try since I wasn't around to witness any of his tenure first hand.

Perhaps you're right, and 1-10 really wasn't that bad. That's not an argument I'd want to make.

Oh, it was bad. But I think not indicative of his tenure.

 

[Lurker123]

Nobody else hired him as Head Football Coach afterwards. That says volumes.

Do you think someone will hire Beamer in 2 years IF he becomes available?

 

[Lurker123]

That and the fact that he drove straight to Clemson with a carload of our proprietary material and paperwork, requiring a university official to drive to Hooterville and retrieve it. The guy was trash.

I had never heard that. Is that real?

 

[Gradstudent]

That was Tee Martin, not exactly some chump. But, yeah, our D was miserable. Should have been retained with the marching orders to hire a new DC.

No not a chump QB, but that stat line is ridiculous and it was a miserable day at home, if I recall. Scott keeping FSU Buddy Burnham was another nail in the coffin and Burnham had been having issues before the 1-10 season.

Scott also stopped recruiting Richard Seymore in his backyard because he didn't think he would be a good OL at the college level, LOL,

QUOTABLE​

Staff Writer
Herald-Journal
Published 12:01 a.m. ET Sept 7, 2000


'Georgia, Clemson and Tennessee were
recruiting me, but South Carolina stopped. They didn't recruit a lot of good players.'
RICHARD SEYMOUR Georgia defensive tackle, from Columbia's Lower Richland High School, on why he chose Georgia over in-state South Carolina

 

[18IsTheMan]

I had never heard that. Is that real?

Unsubstantiated rumor.

 

[gamecock stock]

Jeff Scott was fired in his Head Coach job at South Florida with a 3-year record of 4-26, winning only one conference game. Maybe, just maybe, being a Head College Football Coach is too much for that family to handle.

 

[82nd Airborne]

Looking back, maybe we overreacted a good bit here. I know what the knee-jerk reaction will be, but it's worthy of the some thoughtful consideration.

If you look at his first 4 years, he was 22-22-1, which is pretty dadgum good around these parts. Of course, he notched our first ever bowl win in 1994, which, like it or lump it, he deserves credit for. He went 2-3 against Clemson, which is, again, pretty dadgum good around these parts and knocked them off at Clemson when they were ranked #22. He notched a few other decent wins, beating UGA and winning at LSU, then tying LSU. We were deserving of a bowl bid in the 1996 season with a 6-5 (4-4) record, but the bowl.

Yes, we had the 1-10 season, but it was something of a bad luck season. We lost a naibiter to Marshall, 24-21, but that Marshall team was pretty dadgum good, going 12-1 with a win over Louisville in their bowl game. Lost a squeaker to Ole Miss 30-28 and close ones to UK 33-28 and Vandy 17-14. If you look beneath the surface, we weren't all that far off from a 5-6 3-5) football season. Was a it a good team? No. But they weren't quite as bad as that 1-10 record would indicate.

As it is, fan sentiment had turned and soured on Scott, and the powers-that-be caved to that pressure. Would he have gone on to a long, successful career here? Probably not since nobody ever has, but I think if he had come back in 1999, we'd have seen a regression to normal level of mediocrity.

Brad left Lou a team, that lost every game. Brad's last 2 years and Lou's 1st year had a total of 6 wins. Cabbage Williamson said Brad ate 5 pounds of Browns barbeque flying from Kingstree to Columbia.

 

[gamecock stock]

Brad left Lou a team, that lost every game. Brad's last 2 years and Lou's 1st year had a total of 6 wins. Cabbage Williamson said Brad ate 5 pounds of Browns barbeque flying from Kingstree to Columbia.

Didn't Scott do a commercial for Fatz Cafe?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Brad left Lou a team, that lost every game. Brad's last 2 years and Lou's 1st year had a total of 6 wins. Cabbage Williamson said Brad ate 5 pounds of Browns barbeque flying from Kingstree to Columbia.

That team went 0-11 because Lou was implementing an entirely different system. Many of Brad's players were around for the 9-win seasons as well.

 

[80and90gcock]

I had never heard that. Is that real?

Absolutely

 

[80and90gcock]

Unsubstantiated rumor.

Says you. I say it happened and it came from a reliable source.

By the way, is Brad Scott a cousin or something? Wait, are you Brad Scott? Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[Lurker123]

Says you. I say it happened and it came from a reliable source.

To be fair, that kind of means "unsubstantiated rumor" on an anonymous message board.

Half kidding. I had just never heard that before.

 

[Gradstudent]

That team went 0-11 because Lou was implementing an entirely different system. Many of Brad's players were around for the 9-win seasons as well.

That team went 0-11 because they had no O Line depth and had to run D Linemen to the offensive Line during the season who started after one week of practice, this led to one of our worst offense units in school history.

Brad's players that were still around were much better in 2000 after two years of improved coaching and development under Holtz's staff.

One of the big reasons they were so much better in 2000 was improved Offensive Line play buoyed by a standout true freshman LT named Travelle Wharton.

 

[will110]

Says you. I say it happened and it came from a reliable source.

By the way, is Brad Scott a cousin or something? Wait, are you Brad Scott? Inquiring minds want to know!

Nah he's just making controversial statements to spark conversation.

When you break it down, Muschamp really didn't do all THAT poorly here - On3

Was looking back over it, and there's a solid case to be made that he really just needed more time. Really just had the one bad year in 2019. Covid year shouldn't count. 2016 was really just a great coaching job. Made a great tactical decision, switching to Jake and getting that team to a...

www.on3.com

 

[18IsTheMan]

To be fair, that kind of means "unsubstantiated rumor" on an anonymous message board.

Half kidding. I had just never heard that before.

There are numerous rumors that have gone done in Gamecock lore as fact. This is one of them. Another is about Dabo going batsh*t berserk on a police officer during a traffic stop, even though the whole video is on YouTube showing he does nothing of the kind.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Nah he's just making controversial statements to spark conversation.

When you break it down, Muschamp really didn't do all THAT poorly here - On3

Was looking back over it, and there's a solid case to be made that he really just needed more time. Really just had the one bad year in 2019. Covid year shouldn't count. 2016 was really just a great coaching job. Made a great tactical decision, switching to Jake and getting that team to a...

www.on3.com

It was considered controversial to say the sun was the center of our solar system.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

There are numerous rumors that have gone done in Gamecock lore as fact. This is one of them. Another is about Dabo going batsh*t berserk on a police officer during a traffic stop, even though the whole video is on YouTube showing he does nothing of the kind.

I actually know the people involved. It happened.

 

[will110]

It was considered controversial to say the sun was the center of our solar system.

Wait, you're telling me Earth isn't the center of the solar system??? Next thing you'll say is that the Earth isn't flat.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I actually know the people involved. It happened.

we all know people

 

[Gradstudent]

I actually know the people involved. It happened.

we all know people

Actually I do not know people involved in the traffic, incident with Coach Swinney, but will take USCBatgirl21's word for it, imho she is a very reliable poster, who does not make wild assertions on false presumptions.

 

[Lurker123]

Actually I do not know people involved in the traffic, incident with Coach Swinney, but will take USCBatgirl21's word for it, imho she is a very reliable poster, who does not make wild assertions on false presumptions.

Wait, wasn't there a video of the incident? I could of sworn we posted it on this boards previous version.

Am I misremembering?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Wait, wasn't there a video of the incident? I could of sworn we posted it on this boards previous version.

Am I misremembering?

Here is the video (won't play on this site but you can watch it on YouTube):



He does get out of the vehicle, which he shouldn't have done, but he's fully compliant with the officer. I've seen posts saying he just went nuts, throwing his status around, cursed the cop out, etc. Nothing of the sort happened. It's all actually very benign. He mostly just stands beside his truck doing nothing.

Some have also blamed Dabo for "getting the officer fired" but he was actually fired because he posted about the ongoing case in a South Carolina football fan forum. He admitted to make the post and editing it using a police department computer.

Police officer who ticketed Dabo Swinney speaks out

The officer said he posted his comments because he had seen several inaccurate accounts of the incident.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Tngamecock]

Looking back, maybe we overreacted a good bit here. I know what the knee-jerk reaction will be, but it's worthy of the some thoughtful consideration.

If you look at his first 4 years, he was 22-22-1, which is pretty dadgum good around these parts. Of course, he notched our first ever bowl win in 1994, which, like it or lump it, he deserves credit for. He went 2-3 against Clemson, which is, again, pretty dadgum good around these parts and knocked them off at Clemson when they were ranked #22. He notched a few other decent wins, beating UGA and winning at LSU, then tying LSU. We were deserving of a bowl bid in the 1996 season with a 6-5 (4-4) record, but the bowl.

Yes, we had the 1-10 season, but it was something of a bad luck season. We lost a naibiter to Marshall, 24-21, but that Marshall team was pretty dadgum good, going 12-1 with a win over Louisville in their bowl game. Lost a squeaker to Ole Miss 30-28 and close ones to UK 33-28 and Vandy 17-14. If you look beneath the surface, we weren't all that far off from a 5-6 3-5) football season. Was a it a good team? No. But they weren't quite as bad as that 1-10 record would indicate.

As it is, fan sentiment had turned and soured on Scott, and the powers-that-be caved to that pressure. Would he have gone on to a long, successful career here? Probably not since nobody ever has, but I think if he had come back in 1999, we'd have seen a regression to normal level of mediocrity.

You must be extremely bored

 

[Tngamecock]

Can you possibly muster an argument against my post?

Yep…you must be really miserable to be taking an in depth look at the Brad Scott years

 

[Hiking Gamecock]

Didn't Scott do a commercial for Fatz Cafe?

Heinz ketchup, which when you think about it is such a weird sponsor. Really, when is the last time anyone saw a ketchup commercial?

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Heinz ketchup, which when you think about it is such a weird sponsor. Really, when is the last time anyone saw a ketchup commercial?

Within the last month.

 

[THEusccocks]

Oh, it was bad. But I think not indicative of his tenure.

If we’d kept Scott would he have been able to outperform the turn around Lou Holtz managed? I’m very skeptical. Would he have managed to build the program like Spurrier until we won the east and then had 3 seasons thereafter of 11 wins? Again, you never know but I do know in the time he was here I saw absolutely no evidence he was capable of anything even remotely close to that.

I attended every single home game of the 1997 and 1998 football seasons. We played bad football and got worse as the season went along. We were just bad. Lots of mistakes, lots of head scratching moments. I assume this is something of a troll or devil’s advocate type post but for anyone who cares I was there and it was bad.