Ditch Jans....go get Pitino from St. Johns. nm
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He was fired because he couldn't keep frickin Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego off the floor and out of the huddle during games and he clapped funny.
Nobody they approached that anyone had ever heard of wanted it, and they approached a bunch. Rick Ray WAS the best we could do. That's not a made up Six Pack Fact. The main reason was it was widely felt that firing Stans like we did showed that we had totally unrealistic expectations. THAT is the absolute kiss of death for a job like ours.
THISIt is not a popular opinion, but our players lost those games down the stretch. We put all of our marbles in a player who was under 6 feet tall. He might shoot great one night, he might not, but he sure as hell could not play defense against somebody who was over 6 feet tall. Nobody else stepped up every night. '
We had some good players, but they were not great.
My source wasn't just a fan. You are just using YOUR "common sense". Your view is another totally made up "fact" that people here and elsewhere on the net ran with.
In hindsight we MIGHT have got lucky and got one better than Ray. But we WERE going to get one that was at his level at the time, and he would have been just as unknown a quantity as Ray was. That was the only interest we had.
Anybody that thought it’d be easy to hire a coach as good as stansbury was delusional. The only reason to fire stans was being indifferent to missing the tournament by a little versus missing the tournament by a lot, and being willing to roll the dice on a relatively low odds bet because of that.
We were in bad shape but weren’t in “hire the second assistant at a mid tier ACC program” bad shape. Our options were more limited than subsequent searches but we 1000% could have gotten a retread head coach or a half way decent mid major coach. Or really anyone that had a smidge of knowledge about what they were doing. We absolutely did not have to settle for the guy that 99% of Clemson fans didn’t even know who he was.
Haven’t seen one person or poster who seriously wants to run Jans off quit being dramatic
This is absolutely stupid.
You realize that we're in the SEC with an AD budget in the top 30 in the country right? This was true then, also.
I get it, Meo.
I'm not sharing opinions either. We can compare sources anytime you want to.
Can we please stop talking about Stansbury before poor L4Dawg has to go to the hospital on account of having an erection for longer than 4 hours?
Most people soured on Mullen because they were tired of him looking at jobs the last 3rd of every season after his first few here.
Did he really call people to tell them to not take the job? Proof? This is the first I am hearing of this, or maybe I forgot.
I enjoyed the soccer season. That coach already left. Hopefully the new guy can keep building.
I think Ricketts is doing a great job. I’d run off 10 successful softball coaches before I ran off Chris Jans when he’s made 3 straight NCAA tournaments, though.
That's part of the story - he acted like a jilted lover. But that had virtually no impact on the search.
I like Jans, I appreciate his efforts, BUT we all have to acknowledge for 3 years we start strong, hit a high point around mid year and then slowly go down hill from there to finish the season. Basically, we get worse as the year comes to an end, not better. Why?
That wasn’t really what happened at all his first year. We started SEC play 1-7 and then won 9 of our last 13 to make the tourney.
I wouldn’t even say we finished the year that poorly in 2024 as much as it was the schedule at the end. But we played really well in the SEC Tourney last year.
This year we had some fatal flaws and closed the year against teams that we matched up poorly against. I’m not sure we got worse as much as we just kinda showed who we really were. Probably had an over inflated sense of how good we were after nonconference play against a nonconference schedule that didn’t age particularly well.
Fair point. I probably should say we have started the year strong all 3 years, but the team just doesn't feel the same at the end of the year. Some of that is probably scheduling (beating teams early that aren't as good as we thought looking back on it). Ex: Utah and Pitt this year.
My source was the guy who did the hiring. Now he might been doing a little CYA but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
You are only as good as what you've done for me lately. If we go 3 seasons without making the tournament under any coach - I hope they are gone.
The days of him making the tourney regularly were long gone by 2012. He went 4 years in a row from 2002-2005, which we can all agree was the peak of his tenure. But then only made it twice in his last 7 years, and one of those was a miracle SEC Tourney title run where we stole a bid and snuck in as a 13 seed.
We had really good rosters in 2010 and 2012, and a pretty good roster in 2011. You can’t go 0/3 on making the tournament with those teams. And he did.
We had really good rosters in 2010 and 2012, and a pretty good roster in 2011. You can’t go 0/3 on making the tournament with those teams. And he did.
And perhaps this is the issue.
We have a very robust hoops booster network and the broad consensus is that we were going cheap and limiting the search. Within that context, maybe Ray WAS the best we could get. But in general? That's silliness. I'm pushing back on this narrative that Rick Ray was the best we could do because every decent coach out there who would've otherwise been interested pulled away because of how we treated Stans. It's stupid. And to be clear, I don't think you are saying this. But others clearly are.
Then we will fire a lot of coaches if we don't finish consistently well above our average. As I pointed out above, we have only ben to the tournament 5 times without Stansbury being on the staff.
You just won't quit. You don't know what you are talking about. DS's source was even better than mine.