Does Lamont's quick success turn up the heat on Beamer at all?

[18IsTheMan]

Or are the 2 simply not comparable? Lamont has pulled a compete turnaround in Year 2, while it feels like the football team is on Turn 2 of a 50-point turn. And, I ask this as a Beamer supporter (I'm the guy who said we should bite the bullet and give him a solid 10 years and see what happens). The obvious difference is that it takes a few guys to turn a basketball team around. Takes a lot more in football. Even so, Lamont went out and got guys who it seems, to a man, fit in with and buy into his system.

And, of course, I ask this full well realizing that we are only Year 2 of Lamont, so sustained success is still to be determined.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I would say they are not comparable. In MBB 1-2 players can make a big turnaround and quickly. In football a whole overhaul is usually necessary.

 

[Deleted11512]

I would say they are not comparable. In MBB 1-2 players can make a big turnaround and quickly. In football a whole overhaul is usually necessary.

I agree with this.

 

[18IsTheMan]

That tends to be how I look it. Kind of like turning a speed boat around vs turning a cargo ship around. I just wonder if we do well in the NCAAT and have just a really great season in basketball and then come out in football and have another 5-win season if it increases the scrutiny by the fan base on the football team.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

Hopefully Lamont's success raises our overall athletics profile, which could conceivably help in landing 2 or 3 blue chip recruits a year we would have otherwise missed on. If we can get our blue chip ratio to 60% over an extended period of time, statistically that bodes well for on field performance.

 

[Deleted11512]

Hopefully Lamont's success raises our overall athletics profile, which could conceivably help in landing 2 or 3 blue chip recruits a year we would have otherwise missed on. If we can get our blue chip ratio to 60% over an extended period of time, statistically that bodes well for on field performance.

Wonder what Cam Scott is thinking right now?

 

[Lurker123]

With Harvard on this one. My forst thought was that a basketball turnaround can be started with just a few additions. Football? Not so much.

 

[18IsTheMan]

With Harvard on this one. My forst thought was that a basketball turnaround can be started with just a few additions. Football? Not so much.

Well, not to quibble or take any of Harvard's glory, but I made that point in the OP

 

[Big JC]

Hopefully Lamont's success raises our overall athletics profile, which could conceivably help in landing 2 or 3 blue chip recruits a year we would have otherwise missed on. If we can get our blue chip ratio to 60% over an extended period of time, statistically that bodes well for on field performance.

I think this is a stretch. If that were true, KY would be reeling in great football recruiting classes every season because of their basketball history and UGA wouldn't be able to recruit in football very well because they are horrid in basketball.

 

[Viennacock]

Or are the 2 simply not comparable? Lamont has pulled a compete turnaround in Year 2, while it feels like the football team is on Turn 2 of a 50-point turn. And, I ask this as a Beamer supporter (I'm the guy who said we should bite the bullet and give him a solid 10 years and see what happens). The obvious difference is that it takes a few guys to turn a basketball team around. Takes a lot more in football. Even so, Lamont went out and got guys who it seems, to a man, fit in with and buy into his system.

And, of course, I ask this full well realizing that we are only Year 2 of Lamont, so sustained success is still to be determined.

Interesting question. I was thinking about this the other day. Many suggest we can't win big in this new football landscape (NIL and Transfer portal) yet Lamont is making things happen on the hardwood.

Is football tougher because of the competition and the # of players or can a Lamont type coach turn the football program around?

With the number of players in football, I don't believe you can turn a problem as quickly as you can in Basketball.

 

[muscleknight]

Beamer did do a turn around in his year 2 only to faulter in his year 3. Our MB loses a lot off this year's team and we could regress in LPs year 3.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Interesting question. I was thinking about this the other day. Many suggest we can't win big in this new football landscape (NIL and Transfer portal) yet Lamont is making things happen on the hardwood.

Is football tougher because of the competition and the # of players or can a Lamont type coach turn the football program around?

With the number of players in football, I don't believe you can turn a problem as quickly as you can in Basketball.

Some argue the landscape is tougher in football given that we have Clemson in-state and UGA across the border, but I think that's probably about on par with us being in Duke and UNC's shadow in basketball.

 

[gamecock stock]

Or are the 2 simply not comparable? Lamont has pulled a compete turnaround in Year 2, while it feels like the football team is on Turn 2 of a 50-point turn. And, I ask this as a Beamer supporter (I'm the guy who said we should bite the bullet and give him a solid 10 years and see what happens). The obvious difference is that it takes a few guys to turn a basketball team around. Takes a lot more in football. Even so, Lamont went out and got guys who it seems, to a man, fit in with and buy into his system.

And, of course, I ask this full well realizing that we are only Year 2 of Lamont, so sustained success is still to be determined.

I think only in this way: Lamont had prior success as a Head Coach before coming to South Carolina. Heupel, Kiffin and Drinkwitz all had prior success before landing at their current jobs. Beamer had no prior Head Coaching experience. I believe that the pressure on Beamer is that he too can have big success even though he has never had that prior to coming to South Carolina. So, any heat on Beamer will be by Beamer on Beamer. That will be internal pressure (heat). If he has a dud of a season this year, the heat on Beamer will then come from external sources.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Beamer did do a turn around in his year 2 only to faulter in his year 3. Our MB loses a lot off this year's team and we could regress in LPs year 3.

That is partially true. One difference is that our basketball team has been pretty consistently good all season long. That 2nd season under Beamer was looking fairly disappointing after the UF game, when we had 6 wins, with 3 of those coming against Ga State, Charlotte and SC State. Of course we know how the season ended.

 

[Deleted11512]

Yesterday I heard that UGA had LP at the top of their list until Mike White became available. I'm glad UGA decided to hire a dude that got fired from another SEC program.

 

[Big JC]

Yesterday I heard that UGA had LP at the top of their list until Mike White became available. I'm glad UGA decided to hire a dude that got fired from another SEC program.

UGA is to basketball as USC is to football. LP dodged a bullet.

 

[Uscg1984]

I think it's more likely that success in one sport eases fans' overall angst about the athletic program, which tends to foster patience. Success in basketball isn't going to excuse a failure in football, but it lowers the overall temperature which probably reduces the pressure on the AD to make heads roll.

 

[Bubba Fett]

More so on Kingston than Beamer IMHO.

 

[Uscg1984]

Some argue the landscape is tougher in football given that we have Clemson in-state and UGA across the border, but I think that's probably about on par with us being in Duke and UNC's shadow in basketball.

Except that in basketball, you only have to convince 1 or 2 guys to come to your program to make a tremendous difference. And in football, it's not just that we have the shadow of "Duke and UNC" to deal with, but we actually have to _play_ "Duke and UNC" in addition to several other all-time winningest programs every single year.

For about 3 weeks, the media thought Deion Sanders had found the secret sauce to turn a football program around on a dime, but it just doesn't work that way.

 

[Viennacock]

Yesterday I heard that UGA had LP at the top of their list until Mike White became available. I'm glad UGA decided to hire a dude that got fired from another SEC program.

Just like Muschamp. I'm sure some teams celebrated when we picked him up.

 

[Big JC]

Except that in basketball, you only have to convince 1 or 2 guys to come to your program to make a tremendous difference. And in football, it's not just that we have the shadow of "Duke and UNC" to deal with, but we actually have to _play_ "Duke and UNC" in addition to several other all-time winningest programs every single year.

For about 3 weeks, the media thought Deion Sanders had found the secret sauce to turn a football program around on a dime, but it just doesn't work that way.

Deion is a media darling because he is loud and brash and draws opinions and views. His appeal as "Prime Time" is pretty much zero to today's college players. Deion's last season as an NFL player was 2006, the year most of this year's HS seniors were born. College age athletes have no memory at all of Deion as a player.

Deion's success at Jackson State was due to the fact he could offer lucrative NIL deals and the rest of the teams he played could not. Before NIL, in his first season as head coach, Jackson State won 4 games.

I think when his youngest son leaves Colorado, Deion will quit.

 

[Viennacock]

Except that in basketball, you only have to convince 1 or 2 guys to come to your program to make a tremendous difference. And in football, it's not just that we have the shadow of "Duke and UNC" to deal with, but we actually have to _play_ "Duke and UNC" in addition to several other all-time winningest programs every single year.

For about 3 weeks, the media thought Deion Sanders had found the secret sauce to turn a football program around on a dime, but it just doesn't work that way.

Trying to do a 180 degree turn in a speed boat vs a freighter.

 

[Big JC]

Trying to do a 180 degree turn in a speed boat vs a freighter.

Explain Heupel at UT. UT was a total train wreck when he arrived.

 

[Viennacock]

Explain Heupel at UT. UT was a total train wreck when he arrived.

I'm suggesting it's tougher and in general it takes longer in football. There are certainly exceptions. Transfer portal and large NIL deals like they do up in Knoxville certainly speeds-up the process if you have the right coaches.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Explain Heupel at UT. UT was a total train wreck when he arrived.

You obviously have rare cases where lightning strikes. Alabama was in a decade-long funk of mediocrity before Saban arrived. First year was just ok. Blew up in Year 2 and won the title in Year 3. Sometimes you just find that right combination. Saban was a good coach but he wasn't Saban before he got to Bama. Bama, for all their history, was pretty mediocre for a good while before Saban showed up.

Heupel hasn't done what Saban did, but it appears UT just stumbled onto the right fit.

 

[KingWard]

Does Lamont's quick success turn up the heat on Beamer at all?​

I would say "no". He's beyond simmering already.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I would say "no". He's beyond simmering already.

What comes after simmer? Sautee?

 

[Viennacock]

What comes after simmer? Sautee?

Heavy boil! Sautee and simmer are similar heat.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Heavy boil! Sautee and simmer are similar heat.

haha, gotcha!

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think it's more likely that success in one sport eases fans' overall angst about the athletic program, which tends to foster patience. Success in basketball isn't going to excuse a failure in football, but it lowers the overall temperature which probably reduces the pressure on the AD to make heads roll.

I do think there is a sense in which the fan base is just relieved to finally be good at a major sport. Good point that perhaps this could take some of the focus/heat off Beamer.

 

[Viennacock]

I do think there is a sense in which the fan base is just relieved to finally be good at a major sport. Good point that perhaps this could take some of the focus/heat off Beamer.

I follow some of the non revenue sports closely (such as tennis). Every single spring sport was in the top 25 a week or two ago (still may be). Strong for sure.

Some only care about football and others with BB and football. I like where we are from an athletics standpoint. Football and baseball has some work to be done.

 

[KingWard]

What comes after simmer? Sautee?

By this time next year, he might be approaching a rolling boil. Heat will be added progressively.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I do think there is a sense in which the fan base is just relieved to finally be good at a major sport. Good point that perhaps this could take some of the focus/heat off Beamer.

By the end of September not many are going to proclaim " yea, our football team blows, but our MBB is really good, so I'm willing to give Beamer some slack"

 

[Deleted11512]

By the end of September not many are going to proclaim " yea, our football team blows, but our MBB is really good, so I'm willing to give Beamer some slack"

There will be no need, as we will be 4-0 at the end of September.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

There will be no need, as we will be 4-0 at the end of September.

Ok, make it October, but not any further.
With that said, the takeaway is not the date the proclamations begin, but that they will indeed happen.

 

[gamecock stock]

Pressure should be relative. Forget basketball. Beamer and the program should be compared to traditionally comparable football programs within the SEC. That would be Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Kentucky. If we overtake them. then there should be an uptick in the comparisons and the program can start to be compared to the other football programs in the conference.

 

[Big JC]

There will be no need, as we will be 4-0 at the end of September.

2-2 is more likely.

 

[SC95]

I like Paris and want him to succeed at South Carolina. Yet, there have been a lot of "one hit wonders" in college sports.

South Carolina needs a coach who can build a winner and maintain it over the long haul. Hopefully Paris is that coach.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Pressure should be relative. Forget basketball. Beamer and the program should be compared to traditionally comparable football programs within the SEC. That would be Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Kentucky. If we overtake them. then there should be an uptick in the comparisons and the program can start to be compared to the other football programs in the conference.

Missouri is currently putting a lot of distance between us and them at the moment.

 

[Big JC]

Missouri is currently putting a lot of distance between us and them at the moment.

Ole Miss too.