I am wondering if it isn't just best to give him his walking papers now. Foxhall too. Give Henderson the chance he should have had and never got.
Does Lemonis survive the season?
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He gone after the season. We will have one of the worst teams in school history. The trend is clear with Lem. Plus no good pitching coach is coming in a hot seat year.
Hard pass on Henderson.
Hard pass on Henderson.
Foxhall sure as hell shouldn't. This is the worst I can remember our pitching. Hitting still sucks too
Oh no. Not this again. Henderson would have been an awful choice.
You’re an absolute moron for suggesting Henderson. No offense.*******
But yes, it truly needs to be all of nothing if we make a move this season. No remnants left behind and we also further rid ourselves of Cohen’s godawful legacy.
If he makes it halfway into the SEC season with a 30% win percentage as suggested above he needs to be fired so we can move to the front of the line for a new hire
If we continue to have performances of MSU baseball at this level, he will be gone by the season's end, if not sooner. I would have never believed it if you had told me before the season I figured he had at least one more if he at least had a mediocre season. But if it continues to be this bad, there's no way they can't get rid of him.
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How can you blame Lemonis when the players he recruited, especially pitchers, just aren't that good?***
What top end recruits will ever come here knowing they will get **** on for not winning every game?
Are you aware Henderson is 1-4 in his 2nd season as HC at Utah? Did you know he lost 3 of 4 games this year vs University of San Francisco...a program that has won just 2 conference championships in 77 seasons, the last one 12 years ago, and both teams were eliminated immediately from postseason play? In other words, USF has a terrible baseball program.
Did you know Utah had a losing season in his first season as HC?
There are many very good reasons we did not give Hendu the HC job based on his track record as HC at UK. Nothing he has done since has made that look like a bad decision.
Which top recruits will come to State to play for a teams that doesn't look good when other schools have more NIL cash?
It don’t look like that many has come in the last 4 years anyways
I continue to believe we won it all despite him, not because of him. Jake Mangum's on the field leadership and his inspiration of so many more on the field leaders into the first year without him was what won it for us.
Nobody, I mean nobody has won at that place. They went 26-27 in Hendo's first year. That's better than our record last year. The four years prior to his arrival they were 55-112. He's not the guy I'd want as H/C (pitching coach maybe) but he's vastly improved that program.
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If my options are Lemonis or Henderson, I’m sticking with Lemonis.
Regardless, unless something off the field happens, I can’t see Lemonis being fired in the middle of the season. We may move on after the season. My guess is, Lemonis is back next year with a different staff.
Regardless, unless something off the field happens, I can’t see Lemonis being fired in the middle of the season. We may move on after the season. My guess is, Lemonis is back next year with a different staff.
Not just Mangum. We had some other great leaders on those teams too. Those weren’t Lemonis recruits.
Mangum’s last year was 2019. This is such a goofy statement to me. You don’t wanna give Lemonis credit, that’s fine. It clearly looks like he’s not the coach I thought he was. But go look at the national championship roster and how many guys never even played with mangum. Our starting C, 2B, 3B, SS, LF never played with mangum. Bednar, sims, Preston Johnson never played with mangum.
just fire the fatass now and let Gautreau finish the season. the writing is on the wall that lemonis has a single digit iq and the real coaches that went to omaha were mangum and allen
What's the standard for firing a baseball coach mid season? Do we can them all and let Polk finish the season? Do we let cheeseburger take charge?
At the end of the day I want them gone, yesterday, but what happens for the rest of the season?
I've seen more than enough.
At the end of the day I want them gone, yesterday, but what happens for the rest of the season?
I've seen more than enough.
Zero reason for that. Get ahead of the rest of the teams searching. Zack is on the clock at this point.
I disagree. I don’t see the benefit to firing him in the middle of the season. Anybody that is interested will be interested if we fire him tomorrow or the day after the season. If AD knows he’s going to fire him after season, he should have a list ready to go. It won’t be hard to fill the job.
It worked out better than most thought the last time we fired a coach a few weeks into the season
Last year was his first year. In his 2nd, he has started 1-4 with 3 losses to a perennially bad baseball program. He became Associate HC at Utah for the canceled 2020 season. In his one full season as AHC Utah gave up the 2nd most runs against since Utah joined the PAC-12 in 2012. In his first as HC they gave up the 3rd most.
This year they have averaged giving up 7 runs-per-game. Granted, they gave up 14 in one game vs Houston, but it was the same Houston team that got run-ruled 2-12 vs UT-San Antonio in their previous game.
Isn't pitching supposed to be a strength for him?
The previous HC had similar records in 2016 & 2017 (winning record), but also did much better in-conference. In the 8 PAC-12 full seasons prior to Hendu's hire they gave up more runs just once. So, no, I do not think Henderson has improved the program.
It's not hard. Do the math. 48% winning percentage vs 33%. That's the only stat that matters.
There is zero chance we are hiring Henderson to be the head coach. I can’t even believe some of you want that.
You could more accurately have said this about our 2017 team that Hendu took over as interim. Both Jake's leadership & inspiration and the fact that Big Hit Mac got red hot in March had more to do with our 2017 success. I recall several bonehead coaching decisions Hendu made, many of which he got bailed out of by timely hitting, etc.
Wrong. You are basing that on one...ONE full season as HC. That's how people often use "facts" to "prove" something that isn't true. What evidence is there that Hendu will not do the same or worse than the previous HC did after 2016-2017?
Even though I had to emphasize Hendu's one season as HC + one as AHC, the fact that both those years produced the 2nd & 3rd-most runs scored against in Utah's PAC-12 history is more significant because Henderson's supposed strength is as a pitching coach.
Lemonis' winning % at State is .671, the highest in our history. Do the math on that one and explain why you're ready to dump Lemonis in favor of a guy who is .480, but also with a TERRIBLE record of runs against.
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Uh, where did I say I wanted that? Matter of fact I said I would only take him as pitching coach. I just argued the point that he had improved Utah.
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