Don't be mean and cruel...
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And if a few fans saying that upsets you it might be time for him to find a new profession or you a new husband
that the next head coach at MSU needs to have a history of success as a head coach. To me, if Raffo had wanted the job, he should have left at some point and taken a job at a Jacksonville St., UAB, Samford, etc. and proven himself as a head coach.
The general consensus on this message board is to be brutal, pessimistic and fickle. The truth of the matter is that many blame Tommy on previous years' baseball performances. This place is a safe haven to lay down blame without logic or reason. The negativity spouted daily here tells you more about the poster than the topic they are posting on. The posters that know the most often say very little.
So the truth is that if Raffo becomes head coach and instantly takes MSU to 20 College World Series championships, many on this board will be bitching about things like: uniforms, hair styles, bats, balls, fields, recruiting, fences, seats, tickets, radio, fans, concession stand cups, facilities, weather, parking, landscaping, grass, dirt, air, water, fire, and even life itself. And everything that can be remotely blamed on Tommy will be blamed on him. That is, excluding the 2 hours after he wins a championship.
After that time period the bitching and whining and moaning will continue. Like holding back the Mississippi River, you just can't dam something that big for long.
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So the truth is that if Raffo becomes head coach and instantly takes MSU to 20 College World Series championships, many on this board will be bitching about things like: uniforms, hair styles, bats, balls, fields, recruiting, fences, seats, tickets, radio, fans, concession stand cups, facilities, weather, parking, landscaping, grass, dirt, air, water, fire, and even life itself. And everything that can be remotely blamed on Tommy will be blamed on him. That is, excluding the 2 hours after he wins a championship.
After that time period the bitching and whining and moaning will continue. Like holding back the Mississippi River, you just can't dam something that big for long.
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That being said I have two issues with him being head coach:
First and by far foremost, he has no head coaching experience. There is absolutely no reason for MSU baseball to have to take a chance on an assistant. If he wants consideration for the MSU job he needs to go out and get a head coaching gig and be successful at that.
Secondly, we haven't been a very good hitting team in years and years. Some blame this on Polk and his hitting strategy. If that is true then Raffo is a moron for allowing Polk to hurt his career by hindering his performance as hitting coach. The bottom line is MSU batters are far too passive, take far too many pitches, and typically don't come through with RISP. A man not excelling in his current duties does not warrant a promotion.
If that makes Mrs. Raffo cry then she needs to develop thicker skin. I have not said one mean thing, one untrue thing, nor one personal thing about her husband.</p>
First and by far foremost, he has no head coaching experience. There is absolutely no reason for MSU baseball to have to take a chance on an assistant. If he wants consideration for the MSU job he needs to go out and get a head coaching gig and be successful at that.
Secondly, we haven't been a very good hitting team in years and years. Some blame this on Polk and his hitting strategy. If that is true then Raffo is a moron for allowing Polk to hurt his career by hindering his performance as hitting coach. The bottom line is MSU batters are far too passive, take far too many pitches, and typically don't come through with RISP. A man not excelling in his current duties does not warrant a promotion.
If that makes Mrs. Raffo cry then she needs to develop thicker skin. I have not said one mean thing, one untrue thing, nor one personal thing about her husband.</p>
It's just that, well, you see...um.......
This is Mississippi State University, not Ron Polk University. We had a winning tradition in the sport of baseball long before the Legend himself decided to take this job. Unfortunately, he thinks his name is now bigger as a whole than the University, Mississippi State University.</p>
It's not that we don't like your husband, (I was actually a big fan of him when he played at MSU), it's that he's just not qualified to take over a SEC program without proving his worth at some other University first. You see, we as fans believe there are A LOT more qualified individuals that could come in here and right the ship within a couple of years and get this thing headed back in the right direction. Now, you may say, "Yeah, ba ba but Ron told Tommy not to take any other head coaching jobs because the keys were going to be handed over to him in a short matter of time and that he just needed to wait things out." Well, again, that brings me back to my first point. This is Mississippi State University, not Ron Polk University.
If your husband really and truely wanted to ultimately become the head coach at Ron Po..I mean Mississippi State University, he should have taken the Auburn job 2 years ago or whenever your son, KB21, said he was offered that job. I mean, head coach at AU has to be greater than assistant coach at RPU, right? If your husband was indeed a smart man, why would he turn down $250K + to be the head coach at Auburn to remain an assistant to a selfish excuse-making legend and make a quarter of what I'm sure AU was willing to pay?
So you see, Mrs. Raffo, it's not that we hate your husband or think he's a bad guy or anything like that, we just don't want him to be our next head coach in baseball. It's nothing personal, we can just do better. You should understand that.</p>
This is Mississippi State University, not Ron Polk University. We had a winning tradition in the sport of baseball long before the Legend himself decided to take this job. Unfortunately, he thinks his name is now bigger as a whole than the University, Mississippi State University.</p>
It's not that we don't like your husband, (I was actually a big fan of him when he played at MSU), it's that he's just not qualified to take over a SEC program without proving his worth at some other University first. You see, we as fans believe there are A LOT more qualified individuals that could come in here and right the ship within a couple of years and get this thing headed back in the right direction. Now, you may say, "Yeah, ba ba but Ron told Tommy not to take any other head coaching jobs because the keys were going to be handed over to him in a short matter of time and that he just needed to wait things out." Well, again, that brings me back to my first point. This is Mississippi State University, not Ron Polk University.
If your husband really and truely wanted to ultimately become the head coach at Ron Po..I mean Mississippi State University, he should have taken the Auburn job 2 years ago or whenever your son, KB21, said he was offered that job. I mean, head coach at AU has to be greater than assistant coach at RPU, right? If your husband was indeed a smart man, why would he turn down $250K + to be the head coach at Auburn to remain an assistant to a selfish excuse-making legend and make a quarter of what I'm sure AU was willing to pay?
So you see, Mrs. Raffo, it's not that we hate your husband or think he's a bad guy or anything like that, we just don't want him to be our next head coach in baseball. It's nothing personal, we can just do better. You should understand that.</p>
I agree about our hitters being too passive. I remember back in the day our hitters would regularly get into it with the catcher or umpires. It was not a game unless Ricky Joe Redd got into a fight. Yesterday when Georgia tied the game you just knew that we were going to do nothing but strike out and fly out the rest of the way. We just don't have that mentality. Maybe Will Clark would come back as a hitting coach. Or even Father Burke Masters, he could bless the team and then teach them not to hit into double plays.
There is plenty of over the top bashing done on this board for sure, but not in this situation. At no point in your post did you post any justification for Tommy Raffo even being considered for the head job at MSU. You want Tommy Raffo? Tell me how his resume compares with Steve Smith, John Cohen, or Dan McDonnell. If we don't ask every one of these guys before giving the job to Raffo, we've done a bad job.
...that it's not like Raffo has that Dan McDonnell "great recruiter" image. As an asst., he does not excel at his on the field duty as a hitting coach, and he does not excel at his off the field duty as a recruiter. There is no way he should be promoted, and there's nothing personal about that.
And like you said, Raffo is out getting blue chippers to commit and Polk is crossing them off the list, then Raffo should've left a long time ago. The truth of the matter is that if you want to move up in the head coaching world, you take a head coaching job, where you have control of everything, and you show people you can handle it. If you are going to tie your fate to somebody else, you'd better make sure that somebody is damn successful. And Polk has not been in a long time.
And like you said, Raffo is out getting blue chippers to commit and Polk is crossing them off the list, then Raffo should've left a long time ago. The truth of the matter is that if you want to move up in the head coaching world, you take a head coaching job, where you have control of everything, and you show people you can handle it. If you are going to tie your fate to somebody else, you'd better make sure that somebody is damn successful. And Polk has not been in a long time.
onewoof said:
So, the intelligent posters - like yourself - get on this board to read the thoughts and opinions of negative idiots. Why, exactly?</p>
everyday and say very little. but you can just about bet that when i get on here i will either get a very good laugh or find out something about the football team and/or any other sport that i did not know. i say keep up the good work "whinos"
(deeeeep breath...here goes)
It's almost as if some fans really think the current direction of the baseball program is basically ok. That there's no need to alter the course and get someone outside of Polk's "family." ****, we've got some blind *** fans.
Much the same way it is a safe haven to defend an under-qualified head coaching candidate. Your post is nothing more than an effort to shoot the messenger...did you forget to post a fact based thought to defend ya boy Raffo?
The fact that you only have 37 posts would seem to refute this idea immediately.
If he plans to continue the same ******** coaching that we currently see, then you're damn right.
It's almost as if some fans really think the current direction of the baseball program is basically ok. That there's no need to alter the course and get someone outside of Polk's "family." ****, we've got some blind *** fans.
just because i say the intelligent posters say very little doesn't imply i am one of them. i wade through the BS which is about knee deep here as opposed to the chin deep crap of a different smell on the other boards.
as we all know, occassionally you can filter through some decent crap here and get something worth keeping now and then. after sorting all the posts hundreds of useless posts from the regulars, ad nauseum, you get a little insight now and then, a news story breaks now and then, a funny fark or funny post, and the occassional saddawg fishing hottie.
nonetheless, Mrs. Raffo should know that this place breeds negativity daily about all things MSU. There are no darlings or favorites here. In time, every person in a leadership position at MSU will be shat upon and disgraced thoroughly.
While we haven't reached the negative press generated for entertainment on Brittany Spears, we are doing a good job with the MSU celebrities we have to work with here. Just give us a little more time.
The point is, Raffo's past, present or future success/failure is irrelevant. We will bash anyone and do a damn good job of it.
as we all know, occassionally you can filter through some decent crap here and get something worth keeping now and then. after sorting all the posts hundreds of useless posts from the regulars, ad nauseum, you get a little insight now and then, a news story breaks now and then, a funny fark or funny post, and the occassional saddawg fishing hottie.
nonetheless, Mrs. Raffo should know that this place breeds negativity daily about all things MSU. There are no darlings or favorites here. In time, every person in a leadership position at MSU will be shat upon and disgraced thoroughly.
While we haven't reached the negative press generated for entertainment on Brittany Spears, we are doing a good job with the MSU celebrities we have to work with here. Just give us a little more time.
The point is, Raffo's past, present or future success/failure is irrelevant. We will bash anyone and do a damn good job of it.
With all due respect, YOU are part of the reason why your husband isn't liked by the fans. OK, put down your handkerchief and Rocky Road ice cream. Yes, if YOU had been willing to move outside of the 2 hour radius between Starkville and your beloved Calhoun City and allowed Tommy to coach at Auburn then we may be very open to Coach Polk's suggestion.
What's that? But you and Tommy both love MSU and can't imagine being anywhere else? As someone involved with more than one University, I can tell you it's not all that bad. And here's another novel idea- Tommy's team could actually play Ron Polk's team in STARKVILLE! How wacky would that be? And with Polk being 5,472 years old, chances are you wouldn't be at Samford for long, anyway.
Also, by remaining, your husband has unfortunately been caught in the crossfire by those of us who aren't satisfied with just hanging out in the Lounge, and just going to a Regional and watching our "nice" team try to work walks out of pitchers. I could go to the local Little League if I want to watch that. Yes, your husband is guilty by association. There are a lot of things that go into being a baseball coach- yes, I'm sure hanging out with "the guy that wrote the book" can be beneficial, but there's a lot of difference between "hanging out" and actually making all of the decisions, like knowing when to pull a pitcher (something that your definately DID NOT learn from the Legend), when to make in game decsions, running the baseball camps, recruiting- something your husband has already failed at miserably, we probably won't get anyone from Hillcrest Christian for another 10 years- and dealing with some of the most demanding fans in college baseball.
If you really "loved MSU" you would want what is best for MSU, and unfortunately, your husband is not what's best.
What's that? But you and Tommy both love MSU and can't imagine being anywhere else? As someone involved with more than one University, I can tell you it's not all that bad. And here's another novel idea- Tommy's team could actually play Ron Polk's team in STARKVILLE! How wacky would that be? And with Polk being 5,472 years old, chances are you wouldn't be at Samford for long, anyway.
Also, by remaining, your husband has unfortunately been caught in the crossfire by those of us who aren't satisfied with just hanging out in the Lounge, and just going to a Regional and watching our "nice" team try to work walks out of pitchers. I could go to the local Little League if I want to watch that. Yes, your husband is guilty by association. There are a lot of things that go into being a baseball coach- yes, I'm sure hanging out with "the guy that wrote the book" can be beneficial, but there's a lot of difference between "hanging out" and actually making all of the decisions, like knowing when to pull a pitcher (something that your definately DID NOT learn from the Legend), when to make in game decsions, running the baseball camps, recruiting- something your husband has already failed at miserably, we probably won't get anyone from Hillcrest Christian for another 10 years- and dealing with some of the most demanding fans in college baseball.
If you really "loved MSU" you would want what is best for MSU, and unfortunately, your husband is not what's best.
need to ask Polk directly, "What are your reasons for us to hire Raffo?" "Be specific please?" I would love to hear this because quite frankly I can't think of any. I am being very serious, we at least deserve the answer to that question, don't ya'll think?
things to be given to you but guess what? Those of us in the real world have had to bust *** to get to where we are. We didn't have the luxury of having a collegiate icon forcing our hires on our employers. I know you've been brought up in this good ol buddy system crap and have never had to worry about the fact that your husband's area of the team has been awful the last several years but guess what? In the world outside of Starkville, MS, there are people that expect and demand success. It just so happens there are a few of us that want some return out of what we pump into athletics at Mississippi State. In short Mrs. Raffo, just STFU. Your husband's about to walk...I mean, fall into a 6 figure contract and 1 of the most prominent college baseball jobs in America, you really have it tough don't you?
If she can't stand the heat, she needs to get the hell outta the kitchen or don't read these boards..........
Believe you me, it'll be much worse if he gets hired and tanks like his mentor has done........
Whoever gets this job will have immense pressure on them to make a quick turnaround...........
Believe you me, it'll be much worse if he gets hired and tanks like his mentor has done........
Whoever gets this job will have immense pressure on them to make a quick turnaround...........
We need someone new from the outside ( like a Manieri ) to come in with new ideas. I am ready for " Gorilla Ball " myself. As for John Cohen, he was an ******* when he played here ( used to go into the dugout tunnel and cuss and kick and scream everytime he struck out ) and it use to piss Coach Polk off to no end. He is still a total hothead and not the type guy we want. Raffo's problem is his wife is from nearby Calhoun City and she has never wanted to get too far away from home. I understand her wishes with family & all but a coach like Raffo starts out at MSU a a GAC and just sticks around here for 15 years without trying to hone his skills by moving around to different schools/positions and learning from other coaches. This , in my mind is the reason he SHOULD not even be listed as a candidate! We need a complete " polished " coach.
is those really were his answers.
I still find them unbelievable. If you didn't know better, you would have thought that someone on this board wrote it as a prank.
Oh, and you forgot the Dugout Club would remain intact and he's a "great recruiter".
I still find them unbelievable. If you didn't know better, you would have thought that someone on this board wrote it as a prank.
Oh, and you forgot the Dugout Club would remain intact and he's a "great recruiter".
dear mrs raffo,
tell your husband to turn around a program that has been down for sometime and contact us sometime in the future.
tell your husband to turn around a program that has been down for sometime and contact us sometime in the future.
KB21 is one of Gene's booty buddies never take a post of his serious.I've caught him in a lie more than once on Gene"I have rockstar hair"Swindoll's message board.
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