Ellis asks good questions in his blog entry...

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since I've read elsewhere that Polk actually phoned from the dugout to reverse scoring decisions for our guys and the other team!

Polk certainly considered himself the "Al Haig" of Bulldog baseball...
 

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many people beforehand how he was going to act and what he was going to say. He did and said what he threatened he would do and say. How can that be written off as he was just mad and should be forgiven, and given a place on the staff. Unreal. We need this self serving narcissist to leave and not come back until he is a grownup.
 

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I have a firm belief that all Ole Miss fans are delusional. That being said, you are ALL acting like a bunch of Ole Miss fans! How quickly you forget the glory days, if half of you even know what the glory days of MSU baseball are! You are delusional because you completely have forgotten what was happening a year ago . A year ago I sat in Mugshots and listened to cheers of alumni, college kids, and friends cheer "We're goin to Omaha…WOO HOO!" over and over and over again. Celebration! Excitement! The next day Ole Miss was out and we were in ! We were packing for the Mecca of College Baseball--Rosenblatt! I remember standing outside at that famous statue and thinking, this is as good as it gets. Now, almost exactly a year later, our coaches are packing their offices. Talk about going from the top to the valley.

Ron Polk was at Mississippi State long before I was even thought of. I grew up coming to MSU games awestruck by the players and wishing I could someday be a diamond girl . Ron Polk built that stadium and the MSU baseball program and a month ago, people lined up outside of the stadium named after him to get a poster with his picture on it and to salute to a legend. Past players, who still get Christmas cards from their old coach, came back to pay tribute to a guy that was like their dad. A legend who made Mississippi State one of the greatest places to observe a college baseball game. Ron Polk, regardless of his actions in past weeks, will always be a legend at MSU. No one loves his players more then that man, and no one has a desire to see them succeed on and off the field then him.

Transferring over to Raffo-never in my life have I met a more respectable man . He cares about the players and I think that Polk wanted to hand it down to someone that cared about the players in the same way that he did. And I second what someone said on here about following the bosses lead. He had a vision for the team and most importantly integrity . I would have been happy for my son to play for Tommy Raffo because in the end, I feel like he would have made him a better person . They are college kids. Why do y'all jump on the Croom bandwagon of making them men on and off the field and yet not realize that Cohen will bypass the off the field part . It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game . Tommy Raffo may or may not have been the best man for the job . I'm not here to argue that. BUT, Polk was right about the transitions. Transitions for players, recruits, diamond girls, alumni, and friends would have been much easier . For the first time, MSU will not have camp . One of the nations top camps at that. Even when in Omaha, Hedges stayed behind to run camp.

I would wonder, how many of you have ever set foot in Left Field Lounge ? Or even know who are Coaches are (were) ? Would you recognize their family members? Because I'm all about freedom of speech, but it just seems to me that you all have forgotten that these people are just that…people. They are not just something for you to talk about or put down. They have families and are uncertain of the future all because Greg Bryne didn't have the GUTS to tell them from the get go that Ron Polk's wishes wouldn't be honored. I place the blame on Bryne. He did not listen to anyone . The true sign of a leader is someone who listens. Bryne didn't . He saw the opportunity to make a name for himself and took it. What a skewed way of thinking. I never thought I'D say this, but I miss Larry Templeton ! If ONLY Fogelsong hadn't hired such a loser named Bryne who is probably looking to you sixteen or so people for the affirmation that he needs to know that he hired a good coach--people who have nothing better to do then to sit on SixPack and talk about useless things. I'd be interested in the thoughts of our older alumni, who by the way, are the "fans" at baseball games. They are the ones at every game rain or shine. That is why I find it hard to believe that this "crew" on here goes to the games much less has the authority to talk about good decisions and bad decisions.

I hope that Greg Bryne knows that his idea of a "coach with class" and my idea are two different things. From what I observed in Lexington, we will have a classless program. We may win, but anyone who asks players to lean into pitches to get on base is not playing baseball. He is scheming. Greg Bryne, you and him can scheme together. I will take myself with Polk and come back when you and Cohen are gone---national championship or no national championship.

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.......Raffo had gotten the job, it's obvious that Polk planned to keep a very strong influence on the program. Let's face it, Tommy at least in some way is Polk's puppet.
 

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I guess the declining attendance numbers and large turnout for the press conferences was just an illusion? Tommy is a great guy but there is no doubt that Byrne listened to more than 16 people and did what was best for MSU and not what was best for Ron Polk.
 

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Thanks for your insight, Coach Polk and/or Truth08. Your handle on the English language continues to astound and amaze.
 

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feeling betrayed when McMahon left. Nobody is concerned about whether Polk felt betrayed. Of course he didn't, he was able to get his old job back. But, bottom line is, in Polk's world, EVERYTHING is in reference to how HE feels. No other question need be asked. Its become obvious that the overall good of the program is way down his priority list and he really could care less about anything the fans may think or want. I personally don't trust the man anymore and would prefer he not be actively around the program. I still wouldn't put it past him to stir up trouble for Cohen and cause him problems if he stays around. I still subscribe to the view that he doesn't want any coach after him to accomplish things that might diminish his overall legacy or importance to MSU baseball.
 

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out of everything you just typed one thing bothers me. Is it true Hedges stayed in Starkville to run camps while the team is trying to win a NC? I hope not. If that is the case it just shows what was important to Polk. Winning was second behind running good camps and making sure our players weren't mistreated.

The one thing that gets me is Polk saying Raffo was basically going to continue on with the program as is. Yeah we went to Omaha but do you remember a big uproar over us even getting into a regional? If LT didn't screw over LSU last year and get us in even though we missed the SEC tourney for the millionth time we would have wanted Polk let go last year. We got hot for 5 games and went to Omaha. For the biggest majority of Polk 2.0 the program was going in the crapper. Polk already picked Mcmahon to take over for him. Noone remembers how much Polk complained about not having any hitters on the team when he got here.
 

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I have a firm belief that all Ole Miss fans are delusional. That being said, you are ALL acting like a bunch of Ole Miss fans! How quickly you forget the glory days, if half of you even know what the glory days of MSU baseball are! You are delusional because you completely have forgotten what was happening a year ago <font color="#CC0000">(Even a blind squirrell finds a nut every now and again)</font>. A year ago I sat in Mugshots and listened to cheers of alumni, college kids, and friends cheer "We're goin to Omaha…WOO HOO!" over and over and over again. Celebration! Excitement! The next day Ole Miss was out and we were in <font color="#CC0000">(Typical MSU sheep.....always have to throw in OM comments)</font>! We were packing for the Mecca of College Baseball--Rosenblatt! I remember standing outside at that famous statue and thinking, this is as good as it gets. Now, almost exactly a year later, our coaches are packing their offices. Talk about going from the top to the valley.

Ron Polk was at Mississippi State long before I was even thought of. I grew up coming to MSU games awestruck by the players and wishing I could someday be a diamond girl <font color="#CC0000">(Well this begs the question, Did you become a Diamond Girl?)</font>. Ron Polk built that stadium and the MSU baseball program and a month ago, people lined up outside of the stadium named after him to get a poster with his picture on it and to salute to a legend. Past players, who still get Christmas cards from their old coach, came back to pay tribute to a guy that was like their dad. A legend who made Mississippi State one of the greatest places to observe a college baseball game. Ron Polk, regardless of his actions in past weeks, will always be a legend at MSU. No one loves his players more then that man, and no one has a desire to see them succeed on and off the field then him.

Transferring over to Raffo-never in my life have I met a more respectable man <font color="#CC0000">(Yah but can the man coach?)</font>. He cares about the players and I think that Polk wanted to hand it down to someone that cared about the players in the same way that he did. And I second what someone said on here about following the bosses lead. He had a vision for the team and most importantly integrity <font color="#CC0000">(NO better way to learn of his vision, than for him to go off and become a Head Coach and PROVE himself)</font>. I would have been happy for my son to play for Tommy Raffo because in the end, I feel like he would have made him a better person <font color="#CC0000">(Im sure those that make it with Cohen will say the say)</font>. They are college kids. Why do y'all jump on the Croom bandwagon of making them men on and off the field and yet not realize that Cohen will bypass the off the field part <font color="#CC0000">(How can you even say this?)</font>. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game <font color="#CC0000">(Oh it does matter if you Win or Lose....that is what puts people in the seats.....)</font>. Tommy Raffo may or may not have been the best man for the job <font color="#CC0000">(Obviously, he wasnt the best candidate for the job.....HE DIDNT GET IT)</font>. I'm not here to argue that. BUT, Polk was right about the transitions. Transitions for players, recruits, diamond girls, alumni, and friends would have been much easier <font color="#CC0000">(Their needed to be a transistion for the Alumni/Friends?) (Who cares about Easy)</font>. For the first time, MSU will not have camp <font color="#CC0000">(There will be a Camp next year....possibly better)</font>. One of the nations top camps at that. Even when in Omaha, Hedges stayed behind to run camp.

I would wonder, how many of you have ever set foot in Left Field Lounge <font color="#CC0000">(too many times to Count)</font>? Or even know who are Coaches are (were) <font color="#CC0000">(Yep knew who they were)</font>? Would you recognize their family members? Because I'm all about freedom of speech, but it just seems to me that you all have forgotten that these people are just that…people. They are not just something for you to talk about or put down. They have families and are uncertain of the future all because Greg Bryne didn't have the GUTS to tell them from the get go that Ron Polk's wishes wouldn't be honored. I place the blame on Bryne. He did not listen to anyone <font color="#CC0000">(and you know this how)</font>. The true sign of a leader is someone who listens. Bryne didn't <font color="#CC0000">(and you know this how too?)</font>. He saw the opportunity to make a name for himself and took it. What a skewed way of thinking. I never thought I'D say this, but I miss Larry Templeton <font color="#CC0000">(well that puts you most likely in a party of 1......yah you miss Templeton because he would have done what Polk told him to do....it would have been like Polk said....yah do the "National Search" and still name Raffo...it would keep the fans happy)!</font> If ONLY Fogelsong hadn't hired such a loser named Bryne who is probably looking to you sixteen or so people for the affirmation that he needs to know that he hired a good coach--people who have nothing better to do then to sit on SixPack and talk about useless things. I'd be interested in the thoughts of our older alumni, who by the way, are the "fans" at baseball games. They are the ones at every game rain or shine. That is why I find it hard to believe that this "crew" on here goes to the games much less has the authority to talk about good decisions and bad decisions.

I hope that Greg Bryne knows that his idea of a "coach with class" and my idea are two different things. From what I observed in Lexington, we will have a classless program. We may win, but anyone who asks players to lean into pitches to get on base is not playing baseball. He is scheming. Greg Bryne, you and him can scheme together. I will take myself with Polk and come back when you and Cohen are gone---national championship or no national championship. <font color="#CC0000">(Awwww...your panties all wadded up?)</font>

You're entitled to your opinion just as much as I'm entitled to mine though.

<font color="#CC0000">After reading this worthless rant.....it is clear to me that you are probably a liberal....why you say? well because you are not thinking logically and your emotions are clouding your judgement</font>

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and baseball in the SEC is one of these, this statement is totally false. Welcome to the board.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
 
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Now let's dissect that long-winded sermon.

How quickly you forget the glory days,
We haven't had any since Patty Mac left and that was seven seasons ago.
you completely have forgotten what was happening a year ago.
No one has forgotten. However, anyone who follows college baseball knows that we were given a gift by virtue of our AD being the chairman of the selection committee. We had missed the SECT (aGAIN) and LSU (who made it to the SECT) was probably slightly more deserving. The only reason we made it to Omaha was we got on a hot streak and beat FSU. By the time we got back home for the SR, Clemson didn't have a chance. The team was jacked up and we had record crowds. The team willed themselves to Omaha inspite of themselves. Last season was our first to make a super regional since Mac left. We have also missed the SECT 3 of the 7 seasons since he returned.
Ron Polk was at Mississippi State long before I was even thought of.
So? He was still underperforming. I'm glad he retired so that the school was never faced with the decision of having to let him go.
Transferring over to Raffo-never in my life have I met a more respectable man. He cares about the players and I think that Polk wanted to hand it down to someone that cared about the players in the same way that he did.
I believe that Raffo is all of those things and I'm glad that he is a positive reflection on MSU. However, head coaches are not hired to be nice guys. They are hired to win games. Period. All of the other stuff is just a bonus. There are hundreds of super nice guys that have been fired from head coaching jobs because they could not win. However, tell me the last time that you heard about a total *** hole of a head coach getting fired that consistently won games and put his team into post season play.
They are college kids. Why do y'all jump on the Croom bandwagon of making them men on and off the field and yet not realize that Cohen will bypass the off the field part.
You have no way of knowing that Cohen will bypass that part. As a matter of fact, I have read several articles over the last month stating just the opposite. When he got to UK, he completely changed the way the players represented themselves. This is just sour grapes because you have no idea of the truth.
It doesn't matter if you win or lose,
The mantra of losers everywhere. Playing with integrity is important, but the point of any game is to win. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a scoreboard.
Tommy Raffo may or may not have been the best man for the job. I'm not here to argue that. BUT, Polk was right about the transitions. Transitions for players, recruits, diamond girls, alumni, and friends would have been much easier.
aGAIN, the mindset of mediocrity. Sure, transitions can be tough. However, it is adversity and challenges that help us grow and better ourselves. No one said life will be easy. Challenges are opportunities for a person to see what they are made of. A chance to see if they can conquer, to see if they can overcome, to see if they can rise to the occasion. This tough transition will help redefine and strengthen our team and our program.
I would wonder, how many of you have ever set foot in Left Field Lounge? Or even know who are Coaches are (were)? Would you recognize their family members?
Is this the if you don't go to games regularly, you are qualified to have an opinion thing? Or, if you don't know the coaches on a personal level, you shouldn't talk about their job performance? Or, if you wouldn't recognize their family on the street, then you really shouldn't talk about their job performance? I have not seen one person attack Raffo or any of the other coaches for who they are. Only for the lackluster performance of the players they are in charge of coaching. Earlier, you were praising the coaches for the CWS run last season. Well, when they suck, they get the blame as well. This line of thinking that you somehow have to have been in the LFL or know the coaches are on some intimate level before you can comment is stupid. I don't know Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops. I have never set foot on either campus or seen them play live. However, I have plenty of information to give an informed opinion that they are very good coaches.
They have families and are uncertain of the future
That is the nature of the coaching business. They knew that when they got into it. It is a high risk profession when it comes to longevity with any one employer. No one forced them to choose this line of work.
Greg Bryne didn't have the GUTS to tell them from the get go that Ron Polk's wishes wouldn't be honored.
So, are you assuming there is no chance that Byrne was actually considering Raffo? After all, Raffo is a great guy with loads of integrity as you said. Maybe Byrne had not ruled him out until recently.
I place the blame on Bryne. He did not listen to anyone. The true sign of a leader is someone who listens. Bryne didn't.
According to every news source, he talked to tons of people both within the University, former players and others from outside the University. Furthermore, it seems that it was basically only Polk & some of the players that were insisting on Raffo.
He saw the opportunity to make a name for himself and took it.
He saw an opportunity to revolutionize and revitalize a once proud program and he took it. In the process, it will be a bright spot on his resume. Good for him. He was hired to do a job and that is effectively run and promote the athletics at MSU. He was not hired to coddle and cajole our coaches or players. He is running the A.D. as it should be run. He is obviously going to do his best to put the best pieces in place for our teams to be successful. Then he is going to expect and demand results. It is called accountability. In the real world, the average employee doesn't get to make demands or to name their successor. Byrne's way is the right way. More successful teams breeds more fans, more postseason appearances, more revenue from apparel sales, more money from ticket sales, and so on and so on. That increased revenue and interest allows MSU to invest even more in it's teams and the cycle begins again.
Greg Bryne, you and him can scheme together. I will take myself with Polk and come back when you and Cohen are gone---national championship or no national championship.
Oh boo f'n hoo....
I grew up coming to MSU games awestruck by the players and wishing I could someday be a diamond girl.
I'm guessing you had to settle for being on the baseball team this year....
 

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"They have families and are uncertain of the future all because Greg Bryne didn't have the GUTS to tell them from the get go that Ron Polk's wishes wouldn't be honored"

Greg Byrne said from the moment he was tasked with handling the hiring process that he was doing a national search. Anyone that didn't understand what that meant is a moron. You know who else thought a national search was a good idea? Jay Powell.

"I place the blame on Bryne. He did not listen to anyone. The true sign of a leader is someone who listens. Bryne didn't."

Byrne did listen. He listened to the vote of the fans who didn't show up to DNF this year for SEC weekends. He listened to former players who said the program deserved a national search. He listened to people around college baseball and pro baseball. Byrne listened to what the majority wanted and the majority didn't want Tommy Raffo as head coach. If you don't understand that then you must be willfully ignorant of that fact because it was painfully obvious throughout the season. We all like Raffo, but State deserves a proven head coach and a clean break from the second Polk tenure, which was well below MSU standards. Had Byrne hired Raffo then he would not have listened to what the vast majority of State people wanted. But I guess Polk is the only one that matters. And you claim he has a skewed way of thinking.

"He had a vision for the team "

I keep seeing this posted but I never once see someone admit that we can't know what his vision is if he doesn't get out and show us. How are we supposed to know how he differs from Polk and Mac if he never gets out on his own?

"Transitions for players, recruits, diamond girls, alumni, and friends would have been much easier."

The players we have now are not up to par and won't be here long anyway. Why should we base hiring decisions on them? In 4 years we won't see any of these guys out there, but we will still see the coach we hired out there. Recruits? Polk and his staff stopped recruiting when he announced his retirement. Diamond girls? Who cares. Alumni and friends almost universally wanted a national search and are now behind Cohen.

"Why do y'all jump on the Croom bandwagon of making them men on and off the field and yet not realize that Cohen will bypass the off the field part"

It's funny that you mention Croom since he was at the press conference supporting the hire of Cohen.

"I'd be interested in the thoughts of our older alumni, who by the way, are the "fans" at baseball games. They are the ones at every game rain or shine"

You dare call us uninformed when you are obviously in that category. You do realize that many of these so called die hards that are at every game rain or shine did not show up to many games during the SEC portion of the schedule, right? Surely you noticed the absence of many of our loyal chairback fans, who are also older fans that have been watching MSU baseball for decades. You didn't? Well, that's a shock. Do you even go to games? The fans voted with their absence and the vote was the status quo wasn't cutting it. The actual attendance at SEC games this year was the worst I can remember, and that is no coincidence. You can attempt to isolate the unhappiness with Polk and thus those not wanting Raffo to be hired to this board, but that doesn't add up. The vast majority of MSU fans wanted a proven head coach and are excited over the hiring of Cohen. If you want to take your toys and go home, that's fine with me. We'll be celebrating MSU returning to where it should be in baseball while you are home sulking over this with the other 10 people who share your opinion. Everyone else wants what is best for MSU first and foremost. We finally have an AD that puts the fans and alumni first.
 

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Funny that you should bust on us for allegedly not ever having set foot in the Left Field Lounge, but then admit that you didn't actually attend the 2nd super regional game last year.



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....when the precious snowflake deleted her post, I would've hated to not be able to put it back.
 

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<dl> <dd>"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game" ...... Grantland Rice (sportswriter)

"Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I'm concerned" ...... Gene Autry (when he was owner of the California Angels)</dd> </dl>
 

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cause i had a feeling "she" was being fed to the wolves.......figured she might start crawfishing after being *** raped
 

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estrogen laden ********, it appears certain that this female desperately needs a good rogering.
 

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Jobu was suggesting that BaseballDog08 and MommyDawg hook up and leave the internet. Not you and MommyDawg.

Mix a little reading comprehension in there, brother.
 

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i guess i missed the boat because he didnt reply to the right poster.......so i took it as he was replying to me.......if not disregard my previous post
 

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Thanks for making me dumber by reading your ********. I will never be able to get that time back that I lost reading your...well....****.

Until Polk apologizes in public to John and Greg he will be a worthless piece of **** to me. He has some major *** kissing to do before all is forgotten.

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Yeah we went to Omaha but do you remember a big uproar over us even getting into a regional? If LT didn't screw over LSU last year and get us in even though we missed the SEC tourney for the millionth time we would have wanted Polk let go last year.
You are thinking of '06. That's the year we made the regional over LSU when they made the SEC tourney and we didn't
 

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There's a reason Tommy Raffo isn't head coach. For the past two weeks, we've been defending the guy, saying how "nice" he is. Here's the reason he's NOT head coach-the players would've had NO fire to play, they'd have been looking at grooved strike one pitches, looking at strike threes, meekly walking to the bench, and putting their pink panties back on before they went back out into the field to wave at more flyballs-turned-triples.

Ron Polk is a brilliant coach...but he's also a manipulative sociopath. His view of reality is different from the rest of us. When we finally got a competent Athletic Director (the first one we've had since Carl Maddox), Polkczynski thought he could pull off a Palace Coup to get rid of Byrne and get Raffo hired. Unfortunately for Polkczynski, Mississippi State fans got tired of a part-time coach ranting about the NCAA and finally hired a REAL coach who's actually doing what he's PAID to do.

Perhaps it's a tribute to Ron Polk's coaching ability that we had any success when he came back...because we all knew his heart wasn't into actually coaching the team. State kept getting sorrier and sorrier players, they players had less and less heart, and finally we've seen the effects of the slow erosion of Mississippi State baseball.

You sound like one of those Jackie Sherrill fans who wanted him to come back in 2004 'cuz he's cuuld tern it 'rownd.
 

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that Cohen will bypass his players off the field? What makes you think he won't care for his players when it's not baseball season? What eveidence do you have?</p>
 
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