Interesting that the UT game was the one game last year when our D wore play call wristbands the whole game….
The more info comes out, the more plausible it seems.
The more info comes out, the more plausible it seems.
Everyone does it, not just Harbaugh
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Only a few wore them...not the whole D. It think it had more to do with simplifying things on D, and playing the fastest team in the country in terms of running plays. If we find video of our coaches waiting on their coaches to signal in, then signaling for the D, I'll believe there's something to it. But my gut tells me UT simply goes too fast for that to even be a possibility.
If it was obtained by NCAA violations it would absolutely matter. I’m guilty of a crime if I buy a stolen car. If it’s true you don’t think Beamer knew where it came from. It’s stolen signs. Give me a break.
To share illegally obtained information?
if Michigan actually called South Carolina, don’t you think it seems reasonable that Beamer might’ve wondered why Michigan, who does not play Tennessee almost ever, was calling him up to give information on Tennessee and how they might’ve come across information about Tennessee since they are not an opponent?
Not true. If you legally buy a stolen car the car would simply be confiscated and you’d be out money. If you couldn’t provide a bill of sale or any other proof you’d be in trouble.
Seems like everyone does it, but the Naval Academy grad took it to the next level. Which is why he's a Naval Academy grad - he's going to do what you do, but better. This seems to have crossed the line though. There's trying to find loopholes in the rules, and there's trying to make your own loophole.
One thing I wonder though - who paid for it all (the tickets)? If it's just an over-zealous dude that wants to be a head coach one day taking things into his own hands - is that on Michigan? It would be to some degree, but really this is a "don't ask, don't tell" area of "where did this info come from." If they paid for all the tix, then Michigan should be ashamed of themselves. They try and push the "Michigan Man" ideal all the time. This aint that.
One thing I wonder though - who paid for it all (the tickets)? If it's just an over-zealous dude that wants to be a head coach one day taking things into his own hands - is that on Michigan? It would be to some degree, but really this is a "don't ask, don't tell" area of "where did this info come from." If they paid for all the tix, then Michigan should be ashamed of themselves. They try and push the "Michigan Man" ideal all the time. This aint that.
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Wrong and if you think for one minute that he didn’t know it was tainted info, I have ocean front property in Arizona. Michigan doesn’t even play those teams. I would ask how you know their signals or would and would know I don’t want to know.
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What I said was correct.
You’d have to prove he knew it. Which would be hard unless Satlions sent a text that said “hey, check out these signs I stole
If it were true I would expect him to be fired on the spot. Winning by cheating isn't winning. Even if you finally had a good team suspicion would be all over it. Just Beamer's past being brought into this isn't a good look.
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Losing focus on the shiny object.
Right? If Michigan called to offer inside information on Tennessee, the very obvious first question that would come to anyone’s mind is “how do you happen to have information on a team that’s not in your conference and that you don’t play?”
To pretend Beamer wouldn’t think/know something was up is absurd.
Who was OK with Beamer's role in your earlier example? He was fined $25,000. That's not an insignificant amount, but one that was deemed commensurate with the "crime" of having unsolicited information given to him and not immediately reporting it. If Harbaugh were to make a similar admission about the current allegations, confirming that he had a role in what is described as a pretty elaborate signal-stealing scheme, I suspect his punishment will be significantly more than a $25K fine.
You may see things in black and white, but most reasonable legal systems (or sports governing bodies) acknowledge there are degrees of a violation. For example, if an NFL player makes a dirty hit in the heat of the game action, he gets penalized and perhaps fined by the league. If a coach creates a bounty system whereby players are rewarded for taking opposing players out of the game, he loses his job (at least for a while). Any time there is a systematic scheme to commit bad acts, it's deemed a more serious charge than a one-off incident.
Why on earth would you ask?? You don’t know, you made an “error in judgement”, maybe pay a fine like last time and go about you business.
So a coach you know calls you, you take the call, said coach tells you he thinks your opponent might run certain plays against you. (I would hope to heck your coaching staff anticipates what plays the other team is going to run while game planning). You hang up. So supposedly you are now supposed to report something to someone?
so you remotely compare that to Michigan’s calculated scheme? That’s like one of my frat brothers telling me the professor has a couple of questions on a test about x vs me organizing a breakin to steal said test before hand.
Is it stealing if someone tells you didn’t ask about? Telling someone your opinion on what plays a team will run is much different than sending someone to your practice to spy.
It never bothered tater fans or Danny Ford. They brag about 1981 until this very day.
So did Michigan give us Notre Dame info also? We looked pretty damn good vs them with 9 players out. Who do we blame for that?
The UT and Tater and ND games were what we expected all season with the personnel we had. Sorry it took so long to get there.
This. You know if they uncover a connection from Michigan to us, we're still not going to stop laughing about knocking both of them out of the playoffs.
I don’t think you would have to ask to have a reasonable suspicion about a Big Ten school, offering you information on an SEC school when those two teams rarely play each other. It’s not like it’s Florida or Georgia or Alabama sharing information. It’s Michigan. That just raises red flags everywhere.
it would be no different than Beamer calling up the staff at Kansas and offering information on Texas. How in the world would we have any reason to have information on Texas?
Bc coaches move around all the time. Is Beamer supposed to keep up with all of Michigan's assistants? Maybe they have an assistant or an analyst that was with an SEC program last year??
I am going to help all our couch coaches about football (look no further than the 1 win pitiful UVA team beating #10 UNC last week):
So, if we got a scouting report from someone else, it would be damn hard in 10-12 seconds to steal a signal, relay it to the field from the booth, and to the entire defense before the ball gets snapped. But if we did…..great and I truly enjoyed the wins.
But accusations and conjecture seem much more fun for some.
- According to UT fans, they lost because of locker room dissent
- In the past 14 years, we are 7-7 versus UT….. in the past 19, we are 9-10. So is beating them really that “impossible“ for their perceived greatness?
- In 2021, we outplayed and beat UT in the second half. We outplayed them 4 quarters in 2022. That was 6 out of 8 quarters we were better. (For 2 quarters in 2021 it was maddening watching our DBs play 12 yards off and UT completing 9 yard passes down the field. I was screaming for us to play up tight, we finally did, and changed results….albeit too late).
- They call UF and Bama rivals……they are like 1-17 vs Bama and 2-16 vs UF these past years. So the bigger question is how did they beat Bama and UF last year? Appears this year things are back to their norm.
- For the wristband conspiracists in this thread, let me help you. UT is only effective running as many plays as possible without subbing. They want to run a play every 10-12 seconds. 100 per game was their target last year. They were at our place, so the week before our coaches publicly talked about simplifying the D bc of that. So knowing the crowd would be loud when Tennessee had the ball, and knowing they are going to run a play in about 10 seconds time, does it make more sense to try and signal plays from the booth, to the sideline, then to a captain to call out to the entire D in a very loud stadium, just to watch several players with their hands in the air like they are confused (as we see often), or is it better for the D to look at a number called, check their band to see the call, and play D.
- UT gave up 63 points…..so not sure our magic wristbands on defense were their problem. Our O always had wristbands.
So, if we got a scouting report from someone else, it would be damn hard in 10-12 seconds to steal a signal, relay it to the field from the booth, and to the entire defense before the ball gets snapped. But if we did…..great and I truly enjoyed the wins.
But accusations and conjecture seem much more fun for some.
Wonder if our astute pias board members realize coaches call other coaches all the time for advice on upcoming opponents….even HS coaches do it
CFB coaches are like 3 degrees of separation....they're all connected in some way.
I remember back in the day, having someone on the staff going to your opponents game the week before was common practice .
Signs change year to year. That’s true time information. So yes it’s sketchy from the start. How could you not ask “how and why do you have this intel.” To think anything else is crazy.
Plausible deniability. Or maybe it was asked, and answered. Highly doubt if UM was asked how they got it they would say "oh, we paid for people to go to their games and record it, send it to us, and had all these cool printouts made."
You can deny it all you want but it’s not a good look. Especially when you have been fined for shady practices before. It’s not exactly like Shane has a clean record to stand on.
That's fine with me. I'm ok with shady. I'm ok with living in the grey. Honestly kind of sick and tired of sitting around blaming everyone else for doing shady things while we get our asses kicked. The other side of that argument feels better to me.
I'm 100% wouldn't blame Beamer b/c he didn't ask where it came from. He didn't steal it. It was given to him unsolicited....IF any of this has an ounce of truth, which I highly doubt.
Well obviously Shane hasn't been cheating this yr.
If there's any truth to the Michigan-SC rumor, it will be interesting to see how the AD plays it with Harbaugh getting fired, not only from an optics standpoint, but also a strategic one. Beamer's raise from $2.75mil to $6mil++ at the end of last year thru 2027 was largely predicated on those last few games in question.
If we were found to have received signals, would the AD exercise their right to release Beamer and rid themselves of another deep hole buyout given how things have gone this year?
If we were found to have received signals, would the AD exercise their right to release Beamer and rid themselves of another deep hole buyout given how things have gone this year?
Ha. I think Ray and the boys would be concerned about keeping Beamer when Harbaugh gets axed for the same crime.
Same crime?
Not sure what you're reading but Michigan is a systematic, electronic, computer hacking criminal enterprise that would make the mob bosses proud. Just to steal signals.
And everybody seems focused on the look at the squirrel - ''everybody does it'' mantra the Michigan folks keep throwing out.
IMO, if they squeeze Connor Stalions and he has any knowledge of us buying tape/signals from him, it will be a bad look to get wrapped up in from a PR standpoint. I agree that the actions themselves is not that impt, but that's not necessarily relevant in terms of optics. Most of Beamer's coaching steam at USC is condensed in those two games which are in question (UT/Clemson) and it was the catalyst for his big extension. This would be a gentlemanly way to exit his big contract if the stars aligned.