FC: Gene Chizik, Kiffin, and Dabo crying about NIL…

Midnighter

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Losing power sucks bruh. :ROFLMAO:😭








 
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Had the dummies at the NCAA and the Power 5 did *anything* to formalize a compensation package for players they could have bought themselves some time before chaos reigned. But, they didn’t, because they’re twits.
The Coercive Cartel was exposed when they had to face true competition. They were like a semi-retired fighter called into the ring as a last minute substitute to fight a younger, faster, sharper, more powerful, hungrier opponent. They got their a$$e$ handed to them.
 

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If the coaches want to be "leaders of men" they have not set a good example over the past 20 years. This entire problem started when college football coaches became the highest paid public employees in a particular state. They "transfer" with impunity for more money regularly. That's not to say this current model is going to befit the sport in any productive way moving forward. It is a total train-wreck in which the NCAA in their infinite wisdom didn't provide any guardrails whatsoever. Allowing unhappy players to transfer freely should have probably always been tolerated as it would be for students and employees across the nation, but the idea that star players could transfer simply to make more money at another school is asinine. I have 0 problem with players being compensated for their name and likeness, but booster slush funds for entire football units is a disaster. The schools have been corrupt for a long time, the coaches get paid entirely too much money and have been corrupt, now the players will be too. I think honest schools that care about academics should start their own leagues where there is a cap on how much coaches and players can make. I would watch that sport, I would prefer that sport, that is a sport that represents the original spirt of student athletics. Coordinators making 2.5M? Big fundraising AD's? Hired mercenary players looking to maximize earning potential in college? Just stop with it....create a semi-pro league.
 

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The modified Ivy model is the way to go. The details would need to worked out, but athlete's would have to be accepted into the university without regard for athletic ability and NO money is allowed. The details of "no money" would be a short novel, but could be worked out over a long weekend.

College needs to be about education.
 

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Had the dummies at the NCAA and the Power 5 did *anything* to formalize a compensation package for players they could have bought themselves some time before chaos reigned. But, they didn’t, because they’re twits.
If there had been compensation provided directly by schools and/or NCAA, I would think it would have just been a matter of time before someone brought up a lawsuit using Title IX type arguments complaining they weren’t provided equal compensation.

I don’t care for how things have been heading with many aspects.
 

NittPicker

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Just stop with it....create a semi-pro league.
That's what we have now. :cry:

But to your point, the NFL should step up and create some type of D-league for players who don't want to go to college. Pay them $75,000/year. That's chump change for the NFL but the league has no incentive to do that. They'll happily take advantage of the free D-league provided by the NCAA.
 

GrimReaper

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The modified Ivy model is the way to go. The details would need to worked out, but athlete's would have to be accepted into the university without regard for athletic ability and NO money is allowed. The details of "no money" would be a short novel, but could be worked out over a long weekend.

College needs to be about education.
If that's the way you think Ivy League admissions for athletes works, then you would be wrong.
 

Midnighter

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At this point just allow schools to sign players to contracts. Having to hide behind booster money as NIL is pointless. So, when a recruit visits Dabo, he can tell him exactly what they’re willing to pay him. No manipulation, no moving goalposts. Don’t talk about it - be about it.
 

Midnighter

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The modified Ivy model is the way to go. The details would need to worked out, but athlete's would have to be accepted into the university without regard for athletic ability and NO money is allowed. The details of "no money" would be a short novel, but could be worked out over a long weekend.

College needs to be about education.

This wouldn’t work. No one would watch, and we’d be back to bag men making drop offs in the middle of the night. Best thing about NIL is you don’t have coaches up there lying about paying players. We know who’s getting paid now - no reason to hide.
 
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NittPicker

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The modified Ivy model is the way to go. The details would need to worked out, but athlete's would have to be accepted into the university without regard for athletic ability and NO money is allowed. The details of "no money" would be a short novel, but could be worked out over a long weekend.

College needs to be about education.
College does need to be about education. OTOH, college ATHLETICS has rarely been about education. An administrator has ever sat in a college admissions office and said, "Johnny Pigskin from that rough Pennsylvania coal town is an excellent football player. Let's offer him a scholarship so he can become educated and make a better life for himself."
 
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College does need to be about education. OTOH, college ATHLETICS has rarely been about education. An administrator has ever sat in a college admissions office and said, "Johnny Pigskin from that rough Pennsylvania coal town is an excellent football player. Let's offer him a scholarship so he can become educated and make a better life for himself."
what? Were you asleep when Penn State football and the university was happening in the 20th century? That's exactly what was happening. How do we get the kids from all walks of like in PA educated? Do they have a special talent and can they obtain a degree? Those were the exact questions being asked for many years at PSU both by the athletic dept and the school itself.
 

Woodpecker

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Did these guys speak up when this was implemented? How could they have not seen this coming?
 

JWB389

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I’m too lazy to find it, but Jimbo Fisher was quoted as saying that the players have always gotten paid, the difference is that it’s now out in the open.
Here's his quote: "There were a lot of NIL deals going on before all this was going on, they just weren't legal," Fisher said on The Paul Finebaum Show (h/t Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports). "Nobody told nobody."
 
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TiogaLion

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I see almost everyone is looking to assign blame as opposed to finding a solution to an obvious problem. I'll bet your favorite part of a project is the post mortem.
 

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Had the dummies at the NCAA and the Power 5 did *anything* to formalize a compensation package for players they could have bought themselves some time before chaos reigned. But, they didn’t, because they’re twits.
I prefer the term chooches
 
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NittPicker

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what? Were you asleep when Penn State football and the university was happening in the 20th century? That's exactly what was happening. How do we get the kids from all walks of like in PA educated? Do they have a special talent and can they obtain a degree? Those were the exact questions being asked for many years at PSU both by the athletic dept and the school itself.
The Grand Experiment was a great ideal but a man's reach should exceed his grasp or what's a heaven for?? I guy most of us respect and admire loved that concept. But even he wasn't so naive to believe student athletes played sports by day and were hunkered down in the library at night looking for solutions to the problems of mankind. Another concept he liked was, "We want your money but we don't want your two cents." That's a man who knew what the reality was.
 

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What I don't get is their name, image, and likeness is worth literally nothing (maybe $7.25 an hour... maybe) on its own. Only after they put on a top universities uniform does it gain any sort of value. Kind of ironic.
 

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What I don't get is their name, image, and likeness is worth literally nothing (maybe $7.25 an hour... maybe) on its own. Only after they put on a top universities uniform does it gain any sort of value. Kind of ironic.
The great part is you don't have to watch or follow any of if you don't want to, but then what would you have to b!tch about?
 

JoeBot409

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The great part is you don't have to watch or follow any of if you don't want to, but then what would you have to b!tch about?
I don't really follow it as closely any more. Trust me, if it is a nice day in the fall I would play golf over watch a CFB game. A lot of people around me feel the same way. I didn't renew my season tickets and other season ticket holders are thinking about doing the same.
 
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NittPicker

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What I don't get is their name, image, and likeness is worth literally nothing (maybe $7.25 an hour... maybe) on its own. Only after they put on a top universities uniform does it gain any sort of value. Kind of ironic.
Branding. It's nothing new.
 

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If there had been compensation provided directly by schools and/or NCAA, I would think it would have just been a matter of time before someone brought up a lawsuit using Title IX type arguments complaining they weren’t provided equal compensation.

I don’t care for how things have been heading with many aspects.
The problem is that the stupidest people are the loudest. Most Americans think most of this **** has gone too far, but are afraid to speak up because the loons in power will send the idiot mob against them.
 

Tom_PSU

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The Grand Experiment was a great ideal but a man's reach should exceed his grasp or what's a heaven for?? I guy most of us respect and admire loved that concept. But even he wasn't so naive to believe student athletes played sports by day and were hunkered down in the library at night looking for solutions to the problems of mankind. Another concept he liked was, "We want your money but we don't want your two cents." That's a man who knew what the reality was.
That is an excellent and fair evaluation of a football life well lived. Unfortunately on the extremes some chose to hate while others believe a childlike fantasy.
 

91Joe95

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The Coercive Cartel was exposed when they had to face true competition. They were like a semi-retired fighter called into the ring as a last minute substitute to fight a younger, faster, sharper, more powerful, hungrier opponent. They got their a$$e$ handed to them.

Worse, they had won and decided to go for even more when the writing was on the wall that they would lose. As someone said earlier, twit is highly appropriate.

 
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