FC: Gene Chizik, Kiffin, and Dabo crying about NIL…

91Joe95

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Losing power sucks bruh. :ROFLMAO:😭










They clearly need better facilities.
 

PSUJam

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I don't really follow it as closely any more. Trust me, if it is a nice day in the fall I would play golf over watch a CFB game. A lot of people around me feel the same way. I didn't renew my season tickets and other season ticket holders are thinking about doing the same.
You can always attend HS games, but then you'd really look like a bigger @ss if you went on a message board whining a b!tching about HS players and coaches.
 

JoeBot409

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You can always attend HS games, but then you'd really look like a bigger @ss if you went on a message board whining a b!tching about HS players and coaches.
I have better things to do with my time. And I want little to no interaction with this entitled generation and their dipsh*t parents that think their kids are "special."
 
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What I don't get is their name, image, and likeness is worth literally nothing (maybe $7.25 an hour... maybe) on its own. Only after they put on a top universities uniform does it gain any sort of value. Kind of ironic.

Jackson State?
 

91Joe95

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You can always attend HS games, but then you'd really look like a bigger @ss if you went on a message board whining a b!tching about HS players and coaches.

Everybody has to be good at something.
 
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College does need to be about education. OTOH, college ATHLETICS has rarely been about education. An administrator has ever sat in a college admissions office and said, "Johnny Pigskin from that rough Pennsylvania coal town is an excellent football player. Let's offer him a scholarship so he can become educated and make a better life for himself."
They’re offering johnny pigskin a free education, that most people need a lifetime to pay back, in return for his football talents. Wether johnny takes advantage of that offer and makes a better life for himself is his responsibility, not the college administrator
 

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They’re offering johnny pigskin a free education, that most people need a lifetime to pay back, in return for his football talents. Wether johnny takes advantage of that offer and makes a better life for himself is his responsibility, not the college administrator
Maybe so. But that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that college athletics aren't really about education although there certainly is an educational benefit to those who participate.
 
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JoeBot409

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Or, apparently, Jackson State
That is not an NIL deal, that is a white Jewish guy looking to throw gasoline on a fire by paying this kid to go to an HBCU. All he is doing is looking to do is stoke controversy and generate "content" for his site.
 

Grant Green

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Losing power sucks bruh. :ROFLMAO:😭









No **** it's a flawed system coaches. It's a sport that was integrated with colleges long ago and has now become a cash cow. It's not about education anymore, because it's essentially a minor league to the premier American sport. If you make it an actual minor league, it loses it's popularity because people lose their affiliation with their team (nothing closer to someone than their alma mater). So deal with the problem that we have all created.
Oh, and you all have greatly enjoyed the financial benefits of the flawed system so STFU.
 

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Maybe if these coaches led with love, their players wouldn’t be so focused on NIL. o_O .
 
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PSU73

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That's a man who knew what the reality was.
Pushing the idea of a 'stipend' to the players was one of those understandings of reality. No stipend, nope, can't do it, can't have it, can't administrate it, etc. Whatever the excuses were; but, look at this now. A 3-ring circus that's adding rings as it seeps along. Schools didn't want anything to do with it and as it stands right now, to their dismay, they have nothing to do with it except to try and make sure there is compliance with respect to their program.
 
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I am completely fine with NIL, the transfer portal, coaching deals, and the facilities arms race providing college football the rope with which to hang itself. I also see Psu struggling with NIL and ultimately falling permanently behind the rest of the college football world (which is not a bad thing).
 

PSUJam

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I also see Psu struggling with NIL and ultimately falling permanently behind the rest of the college football world (which is not a bad thing).
I agree with the NIL stuff but why isn't that a bad thing? Please elaborate.
 

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If you make it an actual minor league, it loses it's popularity because people lose their affiliation with their team (nothing closer to someone than their alma mater). So deal with the problem that we have all created.

Let me ask a question. Would you hire someone who's not loyal to the company; i.e., who's not 'all in'? I don't think so and therein lies the problem. Most players will never be your fellow alum. They'll never wax poetic about Dear Ole State.

CFB is already minor league. Thanks to free agency and NIL money players flip as easily as a $5 hooker at a port of call. That's why I don't follow recruiting as much as I used to because the business model has changed. I'm here mostly for the post game chuckles and with Franklin at the helm they are plentiful.

Please spare us the 'we' in the "problem we have created" part. Many of us aren't heavily invested and consequently, it allows us to walk away. Either pony up more money to become a football factory or pullup stakes and run. Make a decision. Everybody must bear their own cross.

Thank you.
 

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I see almost everyone is looking to assign blame as opposed to finding a solution to an obvious problem. I'll bet your favorite part of a project is the post mortem.
the NCAA wanted to avoid the court room, even though on some of these issues they might have won. They did everything at once:

  • Allowed for a transfer to occur anytime, and players no longer have to sit. You still cannot transfer in the middle of the season/semester, as the schools have no way to make that happen. The portal is nothing but a website and database - hardly elegant from a technology standpoint. The real change was play without sitting a year. Dabo wants that undone. Now technically, you can only transfer ONCE with the free year, but after that you are sitting a year. Ewers has now used his free year when he left OSU, so that will be interesting.
  • Provided NIL capability, but did not provide enough rules/guidance. The NCAA made numerous statements, and the rules they do have say the school cannot get involved with NIL $$$ itself and NO pay to play. That is NIL $$ cannot be used to recruit players. The NIL $$ are to be associated with service by the player to some company or organization that wants to use their NIL for value. That is you cannot create a go fund me page and get all the fans to come up with $$$ to pay a 5* QB to come to your school (that was the example by the NCAA). My brother is a consultant to some of the BIG schools and tells me they are all seeking to help their players make connections to marketing firms, but no direct involvement.
    • One problem with the NIL is that you have people in the sports media saying it is now legal for schools to pay players to come, so inducing. This appears to be what Dabo and Lane are saying is happening. If this is true, the NCAA has a bigger problem.
Maybe what should happen is CFB breaks away, and the players do not have to be students. The games are just entertainment for the actual students, and act as an NFL minor league.
 
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the NCAA wanted to avoid the court room, even though on some of these issues they might have won. They did everything at once:

  • Allowed for a transfer to occur anytime, and players no longer have to sit. You still cannot transfer in the middle of the season/semester, as the schools have no way to make that happen. The portal is nothing but a website and database - hardly elegant from a technology standpoint. The real change was play without sitting a year. Dabo wants that undone. Now technically, you can only transfer ONCE with the free year, but after that you are sitting a year. Ewers has now used his free year when he left OSU, so that will be interesting.
  • Provided NIL capability, but did not provide enough rules/guidance. The NCAA made numerous statements, and the rules they do have say the school cannot get involved with NIL $$$ itself and NO pay to play. That is NIL $$ cannot be used to recruit players. The NIL $$ are to be associated with service by the player to some company or organization that wants to use their NIL for value. That is you cannot create a go fund me page and get all the fans to come up with $$$ to pay a 5* QB to come to your school (that was the example by the NCAA). My brother is a consultant to some of the BIG schools and tells me they are all seeking to help their players make connections to marketing firms, but no direct involvement.
    • One problem with the NIL is that you have people in the sports media saying it is now legal for schools to pay players to come, so inducing. This appears to be what Dabo and Lane are saying is happening. If this is true, the NCAA has a bigger problem.
Maybe what should happen is CFB breaks away, and the players do not have to be students. The games are just entertainment for the actual students, and act as an NFL minor league.
Thanks. Your last two sentences are a solution proposal. I don't like it, but you on the right track, which is looking for a solution. How about the schools that want to continue the charade break away and form their "minor" league. Those schools that want student-athlete's playing on their sports teams would be able to write a new rule book.

I suspect that the "minor" league would last at most 3 seasons, but worth a try.

Maybe the Universities take the NFL to court to make them allow direct high school to NFL player contracts. All those that declared for the draft would be ineligible to play CFB, which by design would be under a new set of rules. One of the new rules could be no freshman are allowed to practice/play with the team as they must concentrate on their studies.
 

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If the coaches want to be "leaders of men" they have not set a good example over the past 20 years. This entire problem started when college football coaches became the highest paid public employees in a particular state. They "transfer" with impunity for more money regularly. That's not to say this current model is going to befit the sport in any productive way moving forward. It is a total train-wreck in which the NCAA in their infinite wisdom didn't provide any guardrails whatsoever. Allowing unhappy players to transfer freely should have probably always been tolerated as it would be for students and employees across the nation, but the idea that star players could transfer simply to make more money at another school is asinine. I have 0 problem with players being compensated for their name and likeness, but booster slush funds for entire football units is a disaster. The schools have been corrupt for a long time, the coaches get paid entirely too much money and have been corrupt, now the players will be too. I think honest schools that care about academics should start their own leagues where there is a cap on how much coaches and players can make. I would watch that sport, I would prefer that sport, that is a sport that represents the original spirt of student athletics. Coordinators making 2.5M? Big fundraising AD's? Hired mercenary players looking to maximize earning potential in college? Just stop with it....create a semi-pro league.
if i could "like" your post 1000 times, i would. yes. exactly. i'd be happy if psu went university-of-chicago on it all and closed up shop, but prefer your suggestion.
 

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There’s a simple fix but the NCAA doesn’t have the stomach to pursue a remedy. It would require a binding agreement between the NFL and the NCAA.

All athletes who declare for the NFL after completing their senior year get to keep 100% of their year 1 NFL contract.

leave after your Junior year and you forfeit 10% of your year 1 NFL contract.

Sophomore year 20%

freshman year 30%

Using this methodology the NFL will avoid creating a minor league. Most players would be discouraged from leaving early before their senior year and colleges will recoup lost revenue from athletes leaving early.
 

Ernie Ladd

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Joe’s philosophy was that he wanted to put a championship team on the field every 3-4 years, and that held up pretty well through the 1990’s.

And, it is maybe only my opinion, but that ought to be the thought of those schools who cannot compete for the NIL and transfer portal participants. Maybe in 3-4 years, you will have a mature, cohesive team who have played together, may not win the whole thing, but can make some noise.
 
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