fc lots of bubble trouble in Women's lacrosse it seems.....

[s1uggo72]

at least that's what we called it! In theory the women are covered by a bubble that you are not allowed to penetrate. Well at least that was the rule in the olden days. as the game has gotten better and faster, they are worried about the safety of the players...

https://www.today.com/video/women-s...e-drawing-calls-for-rule-changes-186825285918

 

[LB99]

The fact that they don’t wear helmets boggles my mind. I know they can’t check each other like the boys, but that ball hurts when it hits you. With all the emphasis on reducing concussions, it would seem logical to protect the melon from the ball.

 

[IrishHerb]

The fact that they don’t wear helmets boggles my mind. I know they can’t check each other like the boys, but that ball hurts when it hits you. With all the emphasis on reducing concussions, it would seem logical to protect the melon from the ball.

I agree. Remember a long time ago, women's basketball was real different from the men's game ... but as the women got better, their game changed and now its basically the same. The same goes for ice hockey ... the women are equipped like the men and basically play the same game ... yes there are a few things they're not allowed to do. Then why not lacrosse? Equipt the women like the men, and have them play the same game, with probably no body checking, etc.

 

[BobPSU92]

Bubble that you are not allowed to penetrate.

 

[psuro]

Bubble that you are not allowed to penetrate.

 

[NewEra 2014]

My daughter played lax beginning at age 8 and still plays as an adult at age 29. The rules of the game are definitely becoming more like the men’s game, which is a good thing.

From youth leagues through high school, the sport was fraught with stoppages every few seconds. By college, you could see the game starting to evolve to let the girls actually play.

Over the past few years, the flow of the game continues to improve greatly., It is getting close to the time when body checking will be allowed and helmets will start to be required.

 

[OuiRPSU]

 

[Monty2007]

My daughter played lax beginning at age 8 and still plays as an adult at age 29. The rules of the game are definitely becoming more like the men’s game, which is a good thing.

From youth leagues through high school, the sport was fraught with stoppages every few seconds. By college, you could see the game starting to evolve to let the girls actually play.

Over the past few years, the flow of the game continues to improve greatly., It is getting close to the time when body checking will be allowed and helmets will start to be required.

My great niece plays both HS field hockey and lacrosse. The family calls those games Whistle Stick! It must be frustrating to play.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

My daughter played lax beginning at age 8 and still plays as an adult at age 29. The rules of the game are definitely becoming more like the men’s game, which is a good thing.

an example?

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

My great niece plays both HS field hockey and lacrosse. The family calls those games Whistle Stick! It must be frustrating to play.

It’s terrible.

 

[s1uggo72]

My daughter played lax beginning at age 8 and still plays as an adult at age 29. The rules of the game are definitely becoming more like the men’s game, which is a good thing.

an example?

An example of the women’s game becoming more like the men?? Look at the sticks!

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The fact that they don’t wear helmets boggles my mind. I know they can’t check each other like the boys, but that ball hurts when it hits you. With all the emphasis on reducing concussions, it would seem logical to protect the melon from the ball.

they are legal, as long as they are approved (i.e., you can wear a helmet that has been certified by US Lacrosse, but it's illegal to wear a non-certified helmet).

The shooting space rule, as well as the pocket depth rule on the crosse, makes things far less dangerous than you may imagine. It's actually pretty rare for a player to get hit by a ball shot by another player. If a player is hit, the player that shot the ball would be carded for dangerous propel, and have to sit out. That's a huge advantage for the other team. The pocket depth rules mean that the ball can't be thrown as hard as a men's LAX ball. And while shooting space is a foul on the defender, the girls are trained from the earliest age of playing that even if a defender is in your shooting space, it is your responsibility to not hit the girl in shooting space.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

at least that's what we called it! In theory the women are covered by a bubble that you are not allowed to penetrate. Well at least that was the rule in the olden days. as the game has gotten better and faster, they are worried about the safety of the players...

https://www.today.com/video/women-s...e-drawing-calls-for-rule-changes-186825285918

This video is is kind of blah, blah, blah. The defender hit the girl that was injured with a cross check when the attacker was in a vulnerable position. I'd have to go back and check the game in question, but the defender should have been shown a yellow card (at a minimum), and could have been shown a red card. In addition, in high school if that foul was called, the attacking team would either have a free position if the girl did not score a goal, or would have possession on the draw (i.e., they wouldn't draw the ball, it would just go to a player on the attacking team at the draw spot) if the girl that was fouled scored a goal on the play. (I forget all the stipulations in college for the aforementioned play.)

WLAX makes more rule changes per year than just about any other sport. The refs use the preseason to get used to the new rules, as they are usually quite extensive. There has been some push in recent years to eliminate all cross checking. While it's against the rules to do it, most refs will allow some degree of it, as pretty much all the defenders do it.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

An example of the women’s game becoming more like the men?? Look at the sticks!

They couldn’t be more different

 

[LB99]

they are legal, as long as they are approved (i.e., you can wear a helmet that has been certified by US Lacrosse, but it's illegal to wear a non-certified helmet).

The shooting space rule, as well as the pocket depth rule on the crosse, makes things far less dangerous than you may imagine. It's actually pretty rare for a player to get hit by a ball shot by another player. If a player is hit, the player that shot the ball would be carded for dangerous propel, and have to sit out. That's a huge advantage for the other team. The pocket depth rules mean that the ball can't be thrown as hard as a men's LAX ball. And while shooting space is a foul on the defender, the girls are trained from the earliest age of playing that even if a defender is in your shooting space, it is your responsibility to not hit the girl in shooting space.

I never questioned the legality of it. I don’t understand why they aren’t required.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I never questioned the legality of it. I don’t understand why they aren’t required.

Some school districts (high school) require players to wear them. But as indicated in my prior reply, it is really, really rare for a player to be hit in the head by a shot ball. It mostly happens on blocked/deflected shots where most of the force of the shot has been dissipated. And the rare occurrences of a straight shot are mostly in situations where very low level high school teams are playing first year players that they recruited in the halls to fill up the team. Amongst elite teams, it is so rare an occurrence that the players (and their coaches and their parents) don't consider it a risk.

 

[LB99]

Some school districts (high school) require players to wear them. But as indicated in my prior reply, it is really, really rare for a player to be hit in the head by a shot ball. It mostly happens on blocked/deflected shots where most of the force of the shot has been dissipated. And the rare occurrences of a straight shot are mostly in situations where very low level high school teams are playing first year players that they recruited in the halls to fill up the team. Amongst elite teams, it is so rare an occurrence that the players (and their coaches and their parents) don't consider it a risk.

Well, as someone who took a direct hit from the stick to my face (without a helmet) from my 15 yr old son, I’ll always advocate for wearing a helmet. Spending several hours in the ER on a Sunday afternoon getting patched back up wasn’t fun. I’m also guessing most young women don’t want the scar I now have because of it.

 

[s1uggo72]

They couldn’t be more different

But they are more like the men’s sticks than they once were. Just haven’t a fiberglass head makes the women’s sticks muck more like a man’s

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

But they are more like the men’s sticks than they once were. Just haven’t a fiberglass head makes the women’s sticks muck more like a man’s

Dude, how you carry catch and throw the ball is completely different

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Well, as someone who took a direct hit from the stick to my face (without a helmet) from my 15 yr old son, I’ll always advocate for wearing a helmet. Spending several hours in the ER on a Sunday afternoon getting patched back up wasn’t fun. I’m also guessing most young women don’t want the scar I now have because of it.

How’d you get hit? I’m shocked I never did.

 

[LB99]

How’d you get hit? I’m shocked I never did.

We were doing 1 v 1. I wanted him to work on his dodging. He dodged me and ripped a shot with me on his side and the head of the stick hit me in the chin at full force. I thought he broke my jaw because it hurt all the way up to my ears. Fortunately, he didn’t and the large gash in my chin was put back together in the ER. Total accident, but lesson learned.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Is he on a good hs team? Lots of summer travel? I miss those days.

 

[LB99]

Is he on a good hs team? Lots of summer travel? I miss those days.

Decent HS team. Just finished up club tournaments for this summer. On to vacation!!

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Enjoy, such great times.

 

[LB99]

Enjoy, such great times.

Thanks.

 

[BobPSU92]

“Hey, Double Bubble!”

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Well, as someone who took a direct hit from the stick to my face (without a helmet) from my 15 yr old son, I’ll always advocate for wearing a helmet. Spending several hours in the ER on a Sunday afternoon getting patched back up wasn’t fun. I’m also guessing most young women don’t want the scar I now have because of it.

A few things:

1. in GLAX, it's drilled into players from the first day that participate in the sport that it's illegal to hit an opponent in the head. In youth GLAX, it's a foul if you even attempt to check a stick above the ball holder's shoulders. In high school, checking above the shoulders is allowed, but it's still a mandatory card if your stick hits an opponent in the head
2. It's not as though hitting an opponent in the head never happens -- it's probably the most common yellow card in high school GLAX. But 99% of such cards are issued when a defender attempts to check an attacker's stick, and inadvertently hits the attacker's head (or neck). As such, it's almost always a glancing hit or a soft hit. I'm around the game quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure I've never seen a hit to the head that caused a cut to the fouled player
3. If an attack player hits an opponent during a follow through on a shot, it's a mandatory yellow card for dangerous propel in high school GLAX
4. Between the above #3, as well as the shooting space rule in GLAX that I've previously mentioned in this thread, the situation you encountered (getting hit in the chin with full force on a follow through, causing a serious gash as well as a lasting scar) is not impossible in GLAX, but it's extremely rare

 

[LB99]

A few things:

1. in GLAX, it's drilled into players from the first day that participate in the sport that it's illegal to hit an opponent in the head. In youth GLAX, it's a foul if you even attempt to check a stick above the ball holder's shoulders. In high school, checking above the shoulders is allowed, but it's still a mandatory card if your stick hits an opponent in the head
2. It's not as though hitting an opponent in the head never happens -- it's probably the most common yellow card in high school GLAX. But 99% of such cards are issued when a defender attempts to check an attacker's stick, and inadvertently hits the attacker's head (or neck). As such, it's almost always a glancing hit or a soft hit. I'm around the game quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure I've never seen a hit to the head that caused a cut to the fouled player
3. If an attack player hits an opponent during a follow through on a shot, it's a mandatory yellow card for dangerous propel in high school GLAX
4. Between the above #3, as well as the shooting space rule in GLAX that I've previously mentioned in this thread, the situation you encountered (getting hit in the chin with full force on a follow through, causing a serious gash as well as a lasting scar) is not impossible in GLAX, but it's extremely rare

It’s illegal in all lacrosse to check in the head. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen in boys lacrosse, as it does frequently, but it is a penalty.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

It’s illegal in all lacrosse to check in the head. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen in boys lacrosse, as it does frequently, but it is a penalty.

I think you're missing the point I was trying to make. GLAX has an entire set of rules designed to enable the girls to play the sport without needing to wear a helmet. I've pointed out a few such rules, but there are several others.

The bottom line is that in GLAX, it's very, very rare for a player to get hit the way you were when you were practicing with your son. It's not impossible for it to happen, but almost all players go their entire high school career without ever being hit like that.

We seem to be going in circles on this debate. You started out posting that it boggles your mind that girls don't wear helmets when playing LAX. My position is that the rules in place, and the training they receive from their 1st practice onward, eliminate 99.9% of the things that would necessitate girls from having to wear helmets when playing LAX.

I'm done with this topic/discussion.

 

[blion72]

at least that's what we called it! In theory the women are covered by a bubble that you are not allowed to penetrate. Well at least that was the rule in the olden days. as the game has gotten better and faster, they are worried about the safety of the players...

https://www.today.com/video/women-s...e-drawing-calls-for-rule-changes-186825285918

the video was accurate on one point and that is that is starts with coaches. in a competitive world the most aggressive coaches who seek to work the edge of the rules put pressure on the others to follow. That leaves the only counter balance to be the rule enforcement bodies - officials/refs, on up to their leadership. this is really true in every sport, as every time rules are not strictly enforced the competition pushes through the opening, then there is a "standard of play" where the officials get caught not wanting to call too many penalties. if the cops don't give us a ticket for going 60 in a 55 zone, soon everyone is going 65 and then 70, etc. In physical sports it gets magnified as now safety issues show up, especially if the equipment (i.e in WLAX) is not in line with what is going on. You want safety, it really starts with the rule enforcement bodies and officials on point.
i was officiating HS BB games up to around 1999, and my partner and I called things pretty much by the book - traveling, contact fouls like hand checks, paint violations, etc. these were small schools in rural Illinois and Indiana. many times we wound up making a lot of calls, but the coaches and players adapted. I can remember we had to show one coach the rule book as he did not even know what we called was in the rules. his comment was he never saw it called. an interesting thing happens when a sport is officiated according to the rules. often times it is a much more flowing sport. when it comes to safety though, there is no reason to not make the enforcement tight and have significant penalties for violators. yellow cards are not enough banning from play for multiple games is the type of penalty that will get attention.

 

[LB99]

I'm done with this topic/discussion.

Ditto. I got your point.

 

[LionJim]

Enjoy, such great times.

Yeah, I miss my soccer parents.

 

[Bison13]

I think you're missing the point I was trying to make. GLAX has an entire set of rules designed to enable the girls to play the sport without needing to wear a helmet. I've pointed out a few such rules, but there are several others.

The bottom line is that in GLAX, it's very, very rare for a player to get hit the way you were when you were practicing with your son. It's not impossible for it to happen, but almost all players go their entire high school career without ever being hit like that.

We seem to be going in circles on this debate. You started out posting that it boggles your mind that girls don't wear helmets when playing LAX. My position is that the rules in place, and the training they receive from their 1st practice onward, eliminate 99.9% of the things that would necessitate girls from having to wear helmets when playing LAX.

I'm done with this topic/discussion.

Very interesting, because while my daughter is only at U7 lacrosse, we are in the hotbed of Glenelg country school, and university of Maryland and I will say that the idea of not checking people and other rules that they’re taught from day one aren’t quite what you’re saying. While nobody’s running around swinging a stick at peoples heads one of the first things these girls are taught is to use their hips and rear end to knock girls off of stride. The coaches daughter, who is exceptionally athletic does regularly get called for using her stick to knock the ball out of the other girls sticks. My daughter is one of the tallest couple girls in the league and isn’t quite as athletic as the others, but she does shoot harder than all the rest of them and there are girls in the league who do wear headgear in case she or a couple other of the taller girls hit them with the ball.