FC: Make Daylight Saving Time permanent?

[BobPSU92]

It isn’t official, but the U.S. government took the first step this week to permanently maintain Daylight Saving Time. That is, the clocks would permanently stay “sprung forward”.

Thoughts? Yes or No to the change?

I made this a poll.

 

[Woodpecker]

Isn't it more of a permanent end to Standard Time and a permanent implementation of Daylight Saving Time?

 

[BobPSU92]

Isn't it more of a permanent end to Standard Time and a permanent implementation of Daylight Saving Time?

Of course. I screwed it up. Fixed now.

It seems that I can’t clarify the poll question, but the choices should make it clear.

 

[mrmk5110]

Long term it would be good, but short term there are too many safety issues with having pitch darkness for morning commutes/schools.

 

[TheBigUglies]

Considering I am not retired yet and work until 5:00, I do like having more daylight after work to get outside and do stuff. However, when I retire(5-10 years away), I won't care because I will be outside whenever(as long as the body holds up).

 

[WDLion]

Long term it would be good, but short term there are too many safety issues with having pitch darkness for morning commutes/schools.

Start school an hour later. That's what you're doing when you change the clock.

 

[NittPicker]

Isn't it more of a permanent end to Standard Time and a permanent implementation of Daylight Saving Time?

If DST becomes permanent, wouldn't it then by default become standard time??

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

If DST becomes permanent, wouldn't it then by default become standard time??

Stop confusing me!!

 

[kgilbert78]

If DST becomes permanent, wouldn't it then by default become standard time??

No. The named zones refer to the standard time in regard to GMT (aka UCT). So Eastern Standard Time is -5:00 UTC. Right now we're -4:00 UTC, which is Eastern Daylight Time but would be Atlantic Standard Time.

 

[91Joe95]

Only government could artificially create a problem that they fix with another problem, thus creating a third problem, and then walk away and call it a success. Daylight savings is stupid to begin with, it's just not necessary. So let's make it permanent. Somehow we need to move time zones without moving time zones, when any company can already simply switch which time they start work, which they will now have to do anyways. Oh, and more kids will get hit in the darker hours getting on the bus, but they aren't voters.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

No. The named zones refer to the standard time in regard to GMT (aka UCT). So Eastern Standard Time is -5:00 UTC. Right now we're -4:00 UTC, which is Eastern Daylight Time but would be Atlantic Standard Time.

What time would the gates open up?

 

[NewEra 2014]

I believe this was tried in the early 1970's in response to the Mideast energy crisis. There were a few motor vehicle accidents with kids going to school in the dark, and the idea was scrapped after only a few months. Personally, I would like to see a permanent change to DST, but I bet it won't end up being permanent once there are a couple of accidents. As someone else said, we could just start school later in the winter, but our society won't be able to make that happen.

 

[NittPicker]

Only government could artificially create a problem that they fix with another problem, thus creating a third problem, and then walk away and call it a success. Daylight savings is stupid to begin with, it's just not necessary. So let's make it permanent. Somehow we need to move time zones without moving time zones, when any company can already simply switch which time they start work, which they will now have to do anyways. Oh, and more kids will get hit in the darker hours getting on the bus, but they aren't voters.

That's the thing I never understood. The time is what it is which is why it's always made sense to me to stay on standard time permanently. Let the businesses, schools, etc., adapt their schedules to whatever works for their locality. Latitude matters as does the longitude within a given time zone. Boston has different hours of daylight than Miami does due to latitude. Respective sunrise and sunset times are about an hour apart in Boston and Indianapolis even though they're in the same time zone. Let standard time be the standard. People can figure it out from there.

 

[PAstr]

Why not just go with GMT? it works in aviation and the military.

 

[dcf4psu]

Year round DST was tried in the early 1970's and failed. I cannot understand how politicians do not know this. What is needed is leaving the clocks on standard time as most of the world's population have. Certainly golf courses would benefit from having an extra hour of morning tee times. Farmers and anyone who works outdoors would be able to start their days one hour earlier. I was in Asia in May 2016 and immediately the first morning noticed the earlier, natural, sunrise.

 

[bbrown]

I believe this was tried in the early 1970's in response to the Mideast energy crisis. There were a few motor vehicle accidents with kids going to school in the dark, and the idea was scrapped after only a few months. Personally, I would like to see a permanent change to DST, but I bet it won't end up being permanent once there are a couple of accidents. As someone else said, we could just start school later in the winter, but our society won't be able to make that happen.

Weren't there any accidents when they have to come home in the dark?

 

[NewEra 2014]

Weren't there any accidents when they have to come home in the dark?

The school day tends to end mid-afternoon.

 

[JWB389]

Anybody ever to Sweden in the winter? They deal with it.

I was there once in late December. It was actually kind of wierd. It never got completely light as we would think of it.

 

[Woodpecker]

Anybody ever to Sweden in the winter? They deal with it.

I was there once in late December. It was actually kind of wierd. It never got completely light as we would think of it.

I was there in February; it was no big deal.

 

[bbrown]

The school day tends to end mid-afternoon.

We've got kids getting off the bus in the dark around me for a while in late Dec. and Jan..

 

[A2 Jr Packers]

We could China it and put the entire country on Washington DC time.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

As an avid archery hunter...what would this mean for hunting in the mornings at the end of October/November when the rut is in full swing? Not light till 830AM? Stays light till 7?

 

[WDLion]

As an avid archery hunter...what would this mean for hunting in the mornings at the end of October/November when the rut is in full swing? Not light till 830AM? Stays light till 7?

Depends on which time the deer observe.

 

[razpsu]

Don’t like it but as usual govt works on the stupid things.
Sunrise would be as late as 830 am in some places.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Depends on which time the deer observe.

Wonder if I can get the deer to let me know!

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

If DST becomes permanent, wouldn't it then by default become standard time??

No matter how hot or cold it is in a room, isn't that room temperature?

 

[Got GSPs]

Certainly golf courses would benefit from having an extra hour of morning

An extra hour in the morning or evening is only an illusion. We just changed our routine by altering our clocks instead of our schedules.

 

[step.eng69]

Wonder if I can get the deer to let me know!

You set the time for the harvest…..
Place the salt lick, set up red lights around the perimeter of your adjacent woods, screw the long bow, crossbow the creatures …
Take a couple, the rangers won’t be checking you on your property at 6am.

 

[dcf4psu]

An extra hour in the morning or evening is only an illusion. We just changed our routine by altering our clocks instead of our schedules.

State College sunrise today was 7:15AM. If we were on standard time it would have been 6:15AM. Thus one extra hour of daylight before noon.

 

[Reno Hightower]

Wonder if I can get the deer to let me know!

Get on their Facebook or Twitter page. They probably announce it on there.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

You set the time for the harvest…..
Place the salt lick, set up red lights around the perimeter of your adjacent woods, screw the long bow, crossbow the creatures …
Take a couple, the rangers won’t be checking you on your property at 6am.

Not me Step...fair chase only. Besides, once I get one I have to gut it and drag it out. Cuts into my beer drinking time!

 

[step.eng69]

No matter how hot or cold it is in a room, isn't that room temperature?

No,
I believe that would be Ambient room temp-the average temperature measured in the room by thermometer

Room temperature is often referred to as the temperature in which most people feel comfortable inside, not too hot or too cold.

 

[dcf4psu]

I would much rather have, here in State College, Dec-21 7:34AM sunrise/ 4:46PM sunset and June-21 4:40AM sunrise/ 7:46PM sunset (year round standard time) as opposed to Dec-21 8:34AM sunrise/ 5:46PM sunset and June-21 5:50AM sunrise/ 8:46PM sunset (year round DST).

 

[Nitwit]

I would do away with all time zones. When it’s 8 am in NYC, it’s 8 am in LA, and China and London. You just wake up and work at different times. It’s simple. You would always know what time it is everywhere. But you would adjust your schedule according to when the sun rises and falls.

If it wasn’t for time everything would happen all at once.

 

[Nohow]

c) “Fall back” and keep it that way.

 

[step.eng69]

Start school an hour later. That's what you're doing when you change the clock.

Lake Lehman school district as other school districts had moved their school day starting time to 7:30 am several years ago to accommodate the athletes event schedules and keeping the necessary class hours for the day. In other words, the school day ended by around 3m and the athletes were on their way for meets.

 

[razpsu]

Dumbest thing ever. Why have sunrise at 830 or 9am? Just stupid.

 

[razpsu]

I would much rather have, here in State College, Dec-21 7:34AM sunrise/ 4:46PM sunset and June-21 4:40AM sunrise/ 7:46PM sunset (year round standard time) as opposed to Dec-21 8:34AM sunrise/ 5:46PM sunset and June-21 5:50AM sunrise/ 8:46PM sunset (year round DST).

Think you have that backwards.

 

[NittPicker]

Dumbest thing ever. Why have sunrise at 830 or 9am? Just stupid.

Just like Indianapolis, a major city on the western side of its time zone. The late December/early January sunrise would be after 9:00AM. Stick with standard time all year then local schools and businesses can set their schedules to what works best for them.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Think you have that backwards.

Maybe I am reading it incorrectly, but I understand his time examples and I think he is correct.

Actually, his examples make it apparent to me that we should keep things the way they are - switching back and forth twice a year. I wouldn't like the sun rising at 8:30 am in the winter (if we were on year round DST) and I wouldn't want the sun rising at 4:40 am in the summer (if we were on year round Standard Time).