EYE TEST!
Expect to hear that phrase roughly 10,000 times in December
Expect to hear that phrase roughly 10,000 times in December
FC/OT: Consider this scenario for PSU…
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OU’s year happened back in the BCS daysof 2 teams playing. Going from memory, think the human pollsters actually dropped them to 3rd after CCG, but their SOS was so high compared to the other contenders I think the computers kept them at the top, and the combined ranking kept them as 1 or 2.
That may have been a split MNC year.
Yup, Coaches Poll, as contractually required, had LSU as number one. AP gave it to USC.
Seeing headlines like, “Conferences, Notre Dame agree to new playoff deal” tells me all I need to know.
A deeper dive into it….
Playoff Revenue is split between conferences, and independents. B1G and SEC schools get $21M each. ACC and B12 get ~12-13M each. ND gets $12M. Pretty sure the two other Independents, Cincy and UMass don’t get $12M. And, if an Independent makes the playoff, they get another $6M. You think they built that rule for UMass? Instead of just having rules for the conferences, they always have to consider, “and Notre Dame.”
Maybe. Maybe not. Let’s say a 3 loss NW upsets an undefeated Ohio State for the B1G title. Who gets the spot in the playoff?
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3 loss NW. Just Like the wildcard in NFL. It's professional football now. Qualifying and winning in the playoffs is what matters. The CCG is part of the playoffs.
I think this is where we are going, not that I like it more than the current system.
I agree. However, the NFL scenerio has playoffs before the conference championship games, so this is slightly different. I’ve just heard Barry rail against the 12 team format so many times without offering any alternative, so that’s why I asked.
I already answered that. Conference champs get in. No subjectivity. Let the conference championships work as the first round of the playoffs. Like all playoffs, sometime the team with the lesser record wins.
Edit: I see Sleepylion said pretty much the same thing. I’ve been saying this since the playoffs were introduced. Get the subjectivity out of the equation.
True (and I think that it is less than 50-50 that PSU gets into the B10 CCG - though I would not be at all shocked if they did. It is certainly a reasonable possibility)
If they do make the B10 CCG, they are in the 12, no doubt (even with a loss there) Same with any other B10 team.
But if they are the "3rd", and have a better record than the 4th, they are also in.
What good is an eye test if a team loses head to head against the team they are being compared against?
Saban brought this point up yesterday when he mentioned the mega conferences where all the teams miss playing almost half the teams. You cold draw a schedule that has none of the top team - his example was Rutgers. He said you cannot have teams like that in the CFP who were not in the CCG with risk of loss but have a record with 2 losses.
This also gets into the OOC games also. Teams like Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, etc play low end OOC games so they get 3 wins automatically. No coach of a CFP contender is ever going to go for scheduling top national opponents, and certainly not have early games of national consequence. Too risky even in the 12 team format. This might wind up creating a pre-season of exhibition games.
that was Saban's point - if playing these games will create a situation where teams below you in your conference can jump for CFP, no coach will go along with these kinds of games - especially as opening day. Saban's point was schedule matters. He thinks right now that playing these games cannot hurt the loser. That was his Rutgers point.
Uh, Cincy is in the Big 12 and UMass will become a member of the MAC after this year.
Yes, ND has to be considered because of who they are. If their football history were as execrable as UMass's, they'd get the same consideration as an independent UMass did/does.
And in defense of my premise of the playoffs only consisting of conference champs, there would be no harm in scheduling tough OOC games since it wouldn’t effect your standing in conference.
Ok. Sounds good. I’d like the subjectivity out of it also. In addition, ND would have to sh*t or get off the pot. Put their money where their mouth is and join a conference. So, how many conference win winners are you taking?
These games were probably scheduled years in advance. Also, losing an early season game is far less harmful than late in the year.
To me, just the four main ones that are remaining. Preset a schedule of which conference plays the other and which team is conference hosts. The subjectivity is ridiculous. And I agree on ND. Want in the playoff, get in a conference.
UConn, a football program rivaling ZooMass for futility.
Try this: swap out Penn State for ND and tell us how you feel.
So it's okay for Rutgers and Vanderbilt to each get $20mm+, but not okay for ND to get $12mm-13mm? Guess the guys who are actually forking over the cash think otherwise.
What is angry old man finds something to complain about on cloudless day?
Oh noes! It'll give people something to talk about, rather than the other things they would talk about! The horra!
Yes, ND has to be told to suck a bag of d's ... actually, no they don't ... the priests already take care of that.
Instead, they need to be told that they're out in the cold until they join a conference.
And ESPN will tell the boys circle jerking at the CFP just how much less they'll pay for a spectacle without ND.
Not a problem. We'll just set up a gofundme and a gofu**ND to make up the difference between the payouts.
Why have OOC games then?
Why would those who have future NFL aspirations play in a game that literally means nothing?
Why would a coach play his better players, and have them potentially get injured, in an OOC game that has no meaning?
I also think that the Saban comments were around the teams who do NOT win their CCG. If you are #2-#4 in a tough conference it may become a factor.
The concept of turning the OOC to scrimmages is probably more appealing to coaches and ADs. probably better for players in terms of reducing injuries. You could then have 9-10 games that are all in your league and count. NFL model.
I'll reiterate my "will never happen, but completely should" suggestion ...
All squads reorganized into 13 conferences, comprised of 10 teams ... cut the extra 4 squads from FCS, or add 6 more for a 14th conference. Regionally based.
You play every team in your conference once. Conference winner makes the playoff. 3 at-large bids round out the Round of 16 playoffs. 3 At-Large teams determined, in large part, by the quality of wins in 3 non-conference games, encouraging teams to schedule the best OOC competition they can, because you can't get in as an at-large unless you play, and beat, OOC teams with great records. No conference champ games.
And if anyone wants to cry about TV contracts or whatever ... shut up. Let the NCAA negotiate for the entirety of the TV contracts and get the best deal as a monolith, rather than smaller conferences scrapping for bits. And for those crying about regionally-based conferences reducing the quality of competition - shut up. You'll take it, and you'll like it. It'll spread the talent out more when kids have the opportunity to play for an easier conference championship in a less-talent-rich region than trying to fight through the current gauntlet of deep south squads. Otherwise, life isn't fair. Stop crying.
All squads reorganized into 13 conferences, comprised of 10 teams ... cut the extra 4 squads from FCS, or add 6 more for a 14th conference. Regionally based.
You play every team in your conference once. Conference winner makes the playoff. 3 at-large bids round out the Round of 16 playoffs. 3 At-Large teams determined, in large part, by the quality of wins in 3 non-conference games, encouraging teams to schedule the best OOC competition they can, because you can't get in as an at-large unless you play, and beat, OOC teams with great records. No conference champ games.
And if anyone wants to cry about TV contracts or whatever ... shut up. Let the NCAA negotiate for the entirety of the TV contracts and get the best deal as a monolith, rather than smaller conferences scrapping for bits. And for those crying about regionally-based conferences reducing the quality of competition - shut up. You'll take it, and you'll like it. It'll spread the talent out more when kids have the opportunity to play for an easier conference championship in a less-talent-rich region than trying to fight through the current gauntlet of deep south squads. Otherwise, life isn't fair. Stop crying.
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You think you have a good idea and that is the best response you can come up with?
You questioned why play all these different games. Why bother playing at all? Why would a conference game mean any more to a guy that has NFL aspirations than a conference game? If the only reason you’re playing is to get to the NFL, then why risk it at all? Put a few games on the highlight reel and bail. It certainly didn’t negatively affect Micah Parsons.
At a certain point you play because the games are in the schedule and it should be fun to play and try to win.
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