FC/OT: Cost to leave ACC is $572mm…

[PSUFTG2]

So would you gather FSU intends to do more than kick the tires ? Why have a big hissy fit today if you’re not going to do more ? They had to already know the $500 mill penalty.

Oh, they certainly knew/know. In fact, from their standpoint, it probably helps their cause, legally, to make that number appear as large as possible.
Their counsel laid things out - what their positions are - pretty clearly in today's conference.

I certainly expect that their plan is to "do (a lot) more".

 

[CyphaPSU]

fsu can’t contemplate spending $100
MM on mere academics. The priority is $572 MM for football.

“College”

Pertaining to that.

 

[Midnighter]

Interesting….

 

[LafayetteBear]

FSU is likely pissed at pretty much everyone involved in CFB right now, and perhaps that includes the ACC for not being strong enough to h ave its undefeated regular season champion in the playoff. But what I am wondering is why FSU would make any kind of move away from the ACC without some kind of invitation or commitment from the SEC. (And let's face it, what other conference could it be?) Any kind of commitment puts the SEC at risk for tampering liability. So the whole thing is curious.

 

[Catch1lion]

FSU is likely pissed at pretty much everyone involved in CFB right now, and perhaps that includes the ACC for not being strong enough to h ave its undefeated regular season champion in the playoff. But what I am wondering is why FSU would make any kind of move away from the ACC without some kind of invitation or commitment from the SEC. (And let's face it, what other conference could it be?) Any kind of commitment puts the SEC at risk for tampering liability. So the whole thing is curious.

Wouldn’t you wager there have been back door undocumented talks discussing deets ?

 

[MtNittany]

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[MtNittany]

...And let's face it, what other conference could it be?...

You think the B1G would expand to WA and OR and not FL and SC? It's been obvious to me since the rumors that the B1G is the goal for FSU and Clemson.

 

[bbb2021]

fsu can’t contemplate spending $100
MM on mere academics. The priority is $572 MM for football.

“College”

Seriously, it hasn't been "college" football for decades and I'm including all major CF powers. Just ask how many of these so called "student-athletes" would be college students if it wasn't for their athletic ability. Been a joke for quite a while now.

 

[Train027]

$572M! Dad Gum It!

 

[Blair10]

Per FSU legal counsel.

What kind of FSU leaders agreed to sign such a financially binding contract that is so costly? Sounds like no one from FSU conducted a proper cost analysis before agreeing to join the ACC.

It’s very similar to these financially irresponsible and crippling buyout contracts given to some coaches. These are just very bad financial decisions for the Universities.

 

[GrimReaper]

What kind of FSU leaders agreed to sign such a financially binding contract that is so costly? Sounds like no one from FSU conducted a proper cost analysis before agreeing to join the ACC.

It’s very similar to these financially irresponsible and crippling buyout contracts given to some coaches. These are just very bad financial decisions for the Universities.

 

[leinbacker]

FSU is likely pissed at pretty much everyone involved in CFB right now, and perhaps that includes the ACC for not being strong enough to h ave its undefeated regular season champion in the playoff. But what I am wondering is why FSU would make any kind of move away from the ACC without some kind of invitation or commitment from the SEC. (And let's face it, what other conference could it be?) Any kind of commitment puts the SEC at risk for tampering liability. So the whole thing is curious.

because if another conference had talks with FSU, knowing FSU is under contract, they would be sued by the ACC.

 

[Tom_PSU]

Per FSU legal counsel.

This is the classic Human Dilemma. “We did something incredibly short sighted and foolish. Now we insist that everyone else help us rectify our mistake”.

 

[SleepyLion]

because if another conference had talks with FSU, knowing FSU is under contract, they would be sued by the ACC.

I really am curious about this. Is it illegal to talk to some one that is under contract and ask them to break that contract? I have electrical suppy companies call me all the time asking to change my supplier. I have a contract that is not expired. What is the crime or civil violation they committed? I thought contracts were made to be broken.

 

[GrimReaper]

I really am curious about this. Is it illegal to talk to some one that is under contract and ask them to break that contract? I have electrical suppy companies call me all the time asking to change my supplier. I have a contract that is not expired. What is the crime or civil violation they committed? I thought contracts were made to be broken.

Illegal? Probably not (depends on the laws of the state(s)). However, existence of a contract could be a basis for aggrieved parties to seek damages in a civil action. Keep in mind, this is 'Merica.

 

[leinbacker]

I really am curious about this. Is it illegal to talk to some one that is under contract and ask them to break that contract? I have electrical suppy companies call me all the time asking to change my supplier. I have a contract that is not expired. What is the crime or civil violation they committed? I thought contracts were made to be broken.

I based my comment on what Pete Thamel (some sort of ESPN legal expert) said yesterday in a pregame/halftime clip talking about the FSU situation. Pete said the BIG and SEC will want FSU to be free of their lawsuit else they could get caught up in FSU's lawsuit for "Tortious Interference of a contract".

<disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer>, maybe in your case it would apply too or perhaps it is hard too prove to the point that you end up paying lawyers more than what you would ever win anyways. But with regards to FSU, there are deep pockets (ACC, ESPN) that are contractually involved with FSU.

Sometimes when a team wants to hire away a coach from another team, they will often ask the coach's team for permission to talk to them. Maybe this is why - so not to appear like they are interferring with a contract.

 

[GrimReaper]

I based my comment on what Pete Thamel (some sort of ESPN legal expert) said yesterday in a pregame/halftime clip talking about the FSU situation. Pete said the BIG and SEC will want FSU to be free of their lawsuit else they could get caught up in FSU's lawsuit for "Tortious Interference of a contract".

<disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer>, maybe in your case it would apply too or perhaps it is hard too prove to the point that you end up paying lawyers more than what you would ever win anyways. But with regards to FSU, there are deep pockets (ACC, ESPN) that are contractually involved with FSU.

Sometimes when a team wants to hire away a coach from another team, they will often ask the coach's team for permission to talk to them. Maybe this is why - so not to appear like they are interferring with a contract.

Thamel is no "legal expert" of any sort, but he does a really good imitation of a turd.

 

[SleepyLion]

Illegal? Probably not (depends on the laws of the state(s)). However, existence of a contract could be a basis for aggrieved parties to seek damages in a civil action. Keep in mind, this is 'Merica.

Thanks. I get that anyone can be sued for anything. 'Merica!

I would think it would be on (in this case) FSU to defend the breaking of the agreement, not B1G ot SEC. I would think Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC-ESPN could also be fearful of this as well. They have as much to gain as the conferences.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Wouldn’t you wager there have been back door undocumented talks discussing deets ?

Absolutely. Without a doubt.

 

[LafayetteBear]

You think the B1G would expand to WA and OR and not FL and SC? It's been obvious to me since the rumors that the B1G is the goal for FSU and Clemson.

Well, it's all about the money these days in CFB. Probably always has been, but it just hasn 't been so obvious. That being said, the SEC can afford to pay every bit as much as the Big Ten can pay, and Florida States and Clemson are located in the South. Their fan base is as well, so they would be a much more natural fit for the SEC. Hell, the chief rivals for both teams (Florida and South Carolina, respectively), are both in the SEC.

 

[LafayetteBear]

because if another conference had talks with FSU, knowing FSU is under contract, they would be sued by the ACC

Hence, my earlier comment concerning the SEC's risk of exposure to tampering liability.

 

[leinbacker]

Thamel is no "legal expert" of any sort, but he does a really good imitation of a turd.

Yeah, whatever, but "Tortious Interference of a contract" is a real thing. Its also obvious that if the SEC or BIG are courting FSU, they are doing it quitely as to not expose a paper trail.

 

[GrimReaper]

Yeah, whatever, but "Tortious Interference of a contract" is a real thing. Its also obvious that if the SEC or BIG are courting FSU, they are doing it quitely as to not expose a paper trail.

You are correct, but Thamel is still not a legal expert and may actually be a turd instead of an imitation of one.

 

[doctornick]

You think the B1G would expand to WA and OR and not FL and SC? It's been obvious to me since the rumors that the B1G is the goal for FSU and Clemson.

The next two teams that the Big Ten wants are Notre Dame and FSU. In fact, I would argue that they are really the only two remaining (non SEC) teams that would be significant enough for the Big Ten to even contemplate expansion.

They probably still won’t be able to grab ND in the near term, not until there are enough deflections from the ACC to considerably weaken it, so if the B10 could grab FSU, they’d probably pair them with another acceptable ACC team (most preferably UNC).

I don’t think they consider Clemson at all. Not enough financial incentive. And the Big Ten is snooty enough to not be willing to accept Clemson’s academics.

But to the point - absolutely the Big Ten would be interested in FSU. probably more than the SEC would be actually.

 

[MtNittany]

The next two teams that the Big Ten wants are Notre Dame and FSU. In fact, I would argue that they are really the only two remaining (non SEC) teams that would be significant enough for the Big Ten to even contemplate expansion.

They probably still won’t be able to grab ND in the near term, not until there are enough deflections from the ACC to considerably weaken it, so if the B10 could grab FSU, they’d probably pair them with another acceptable ACC team (most preferably UNC).

I don’t think they consider Clemson at all. Not enough financial incentive. And the Big Ten is snooty enough to not be willing to accept Clemson’s academics.

But to the point - absolutely the Big Ten would be interested in FSU. probably more than the SEC would be actually.

IF FSU/Clemson happens then look for UNC and UVA to follow. IMO of course.

As far as academic credentials, those are things of the past.

I sort of look at this like a game of RISK. If the B1G can afford to put armies and sustain them in SEC country, then why wouldn't they want to?

I don't see the SEC going into B1G land anytime soon. ND is the only team available.

 

[Catch1lion]

File this under beware what you ask for …

 

[MtNittany]

...Hell, the chief rivals for both teams (Florida and South Carolina, respectively), are both in the SEC.

Neither of which wants them in the SEC - not that they could stop it.

 

[WVilleLion23]

I don’t want B1G to get any larger, but it will at some point. Might as well add a school FL, GA, SC, NC, VA, and TX.

Not the schools I would want, but FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, UVA, TX school TBD if I was basing it just on overall athletic and academic profile. If basing it on football fan bases and gameday atmosphere, would replace UNC with NC State and UVA with VT and make TX school, A&M. A&M, VT and State football fans are much more aligned with our fan base than the UNC and UVA wine and cheese crowd.

 

[Catch1lion]

Chief Osceola might be rolling on an Arab charger in the near future .

 

[Nitwit]

IF FSU/Clemson happens then look for UNC and UVA to follow. IMO of course.

As far as academic credentials, those are things of the past.

I sort of look at this like a game of RISK. If the B1G can afford to put armies and sustain them in SEC country, then why wouldn't they want to?

I don't see the SEC going into B1G land anytime soon. ND is the only team available.

Would UNC come without Duke? The UNC - Duke basketball rivalry is akin to the OSU - Michigan rivalry in football.

 

[GrimReaper]

Would UNC come without Duke? The UNC - Duke basketball rivalry is akin to the OSU - Michigan rivalry in football.

Like they'll have a choice.

 

[Catch1lion]

Would UNC come without Duke? The UNC - Duke basketball rivalry is akin to the OSU - Michigan rivalry in football.