And not just for football, but this certainly helps the ‘haves’.
FC/OT: Not talked about as much but new scholarship limits will be huge IMO going forward…
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So, wrestling can now give 30 scholarships? PSU and Cael already were stacked, now they can extend even more offers. The rest of college wrestling is collectively holding their head right now. It’s good to be the king.
It’s pre-emptive IMO; lawyers/plaintiffs wanted it and courts agreed.
Worth noting - they’re not mandates; a school doesn’t have to give that many. But - they can.
PSU - as other schools - doesn't sponsor all of those sports.
But, just the ones PSU currently sponsors, add approximately 400 scholarships to the mix to be "fully funded" in all sports.
400 X $50,000 (approximate cost of a scholarship, and that is on the low side - and that is going up sharply) = $20 Million per year in annual expenses (check my math LionJim
). Could relatively easily get to twice that amount.The number of "haves" (schools that fully fund) is going to drop like a rock.
it isn't hard, I don't think, to see where this is going.
is there a title IX issue here? If they give max number scholarships to male athletes, say 105 football and I expect all power 5 schools to go to 105, does that mean they have to max female schoolies as well?
Title IX is bullshjit excuse used by lazy, stupid ADs who don't want to do the work to find better solutions.
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Me to my daughter after seeing 50 equestrian scholarships….
Very few of these "new" scholarships will actually be filled as very, very few athletic departments are in the black. IMO, the major effect of this rule change will be the elimination of participants in many sports. For example, our wrestling team has consistently had 37 members on the team for which 9.9 scholarships were available. Keeping in mind that the wrestling team loses money, so now the ROSTER limit is 30 and Cael is allowed, by ncaa rules, to offer 30 scholarships. So, wrestling must cut 7 wrestlers from the team and likely won't offer many if any additional scholarships.
The available scholarship by sport is now also the roster limit by sport. No one is requiring that the additional scholarships be used. I did some calculations, and on average Penn State Athletics will have to cut 8 members per team.
The available scholarship by sport is now also the roster limit by sport. No one is requiring that the additional scholarships be used. I did some calculations, and on average Penn State Athletics will have to cut 8 members per team.
What is the actual ‘real dollar’ cost for schools to give a scholarship? Opportunity cost I guess since the scholarship could be a full paying student, and there will be overhead for being on the team, but it’s not a $50,000 hand out the same day an NIL payment is.
I get what you are saying, however, in some sports, such as wrestling, some of the scholarships were partials, if I'm not mistaken. If so, and if partials are still allowed, they could conceivably still carry 37 wrestlers, most fully funded, many half-funded, etc.
I haven't seen anything regarding partials, so I don't know if that is still a viable solution.
It's real dollars, as in cash money, to the Athletic Department. Somebody has to pay for Fatso's museum.
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Agree here. The extra 20 scholarships potentially given by the traditional top 20 football schools means potentially 400 fewer Div 1A-worthy players available to the next 80 to 100 schools (the 'Sortas' and the 'Nots'). Depth, attrition, coaching turnover, quality of competition will all be probably impacted on those schools.PSU - as other schools - doesn't sponsor all of those sports.
But, just the ones PSU currently sponsors, add approximately 400 scholarships to the mix to be "fully funded" in all sports.
400 X $50,000 (approximate cost of a scholarship, and that is on the low side - and that is going up sharply) = $20 Million per year in annual expenses (check my math LionJim
The number of "haves" (schools that fully fund) is going to drop like a rock.
it isn't hard, I don't think, to see where this is going.
While the next 40 "Power" schools may still be ok, at least now and then, the "Group Of" schools won't be. They should, imo, break off and form their own division with their own playoffs and Champion.
There could still be games played between Powers and Groups, but they will gradually become about as competitive as we see between 1A and 1AA now.
It all trickles down... the extra 1A scholarships hurt the 1AA schools' quality of competitive ability, too.
That means the demand for NLC money will get hotter, too, I'm sure. Scholarships, support staff, training, general ops, and more all funded via NLC. Donation levels will likely increase more than already anticipated as they look to support 100+ scholarships and all related expenses vs 85 per season, just for football.
Besides the already mentioned fact that not all schools have those sports listed above, many schools will choose not fully funded every scholarship. I know in the baseball field after talking to some coaches this week at Division I schools, their athletic directors have told them to not to expect to get more than 16 total. It’s an increase from 11.7 but it’s not even half of what the roster is.
Depends on the school. There is no requirement that for "headcount" sports all of the scholarships are fully funded.
Absolutely agree. The 85 man scholarship limit was the biggest field leveling event until, dare I say NIL?
Nah, rowing. Takes little talent beyond elementary arithmetic to be a cox. Just don't feed her if she shows signs of growing out of it.Me to my daughter after seeing 50 equestrian scholarships….
No they can't. In every sport, the scholarship limits are also the ROSTER limits. In wrestling that 30 max and in Cael's case 7 have to go.
Baseball had 42 members this year with total of 11.9 scholarships allowed. Now they'll have 34 scholarships ALLOWED but only 34 ROSTER members allowed so they'll have to lose 8 members.
I'll give you tumbling but you should have chosen STUNT. Stunt gets 65 scholarships.
That is true, but not all of the 34 slots will be fully-funded at all schools.
Yeah, I’m hooked on Modern Family, a sublimely ridiculous show.
That's been my point. They increased the number of scholarships that schools are allowed to award, not HAVE to award, and they have decreased the actual number of participants by setting roster limits. Again, in the case of baseball to were 42 active members of the team this year so they'll have to lose 8 members and the remaining 34 may or may not have any additional scholarships.
it's like falling down after overdosing on lattes -only you have to do it forwards.
in a related story the NCAA confirmed "even Penn State can have 105 scholarships- but only two can be used for WRs."
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Looking on Dellenger's Twitter, he notes that both walk-ons and partial scholarships are still allowed; but as Tioga noted, now the roster max and scholarship max are the same number.
Will no doubt be some balancing needed to accommodate budgets and still stay competitive for most schools.
Will no doubt be some balancing needed to accommodate budgets and still stay competitive for most schools.
So am I. It has some really great deadpan throw away lines that are hilarious.
But you gotta bring your own horse and feed. lol.Me to my daughter after seeing 50 equestrian scholarships….
