FC/OT: Not talked about as much but new scholarship limits will be huge IMO going forward…

bdgan

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Agree here. The extra 20 scholarships potentially given by the traditional top 20 football schools means potentially 400 fewer Div 1A-worthy players available to the next 80 to 100 schools (the 'Sortas' and the 'Nots'). Depth, attrition, coaching turnover, quality of competition will all be probably impacted on those schools.

While the next 40 "Power" schools may still be ok, at least now and then, the "Group Of" schools won't be. They should, imo, break off and form their own division with their own playoffs and Champion.
There could still be games played between Powers and Groups, but they will gradually become about as competitive as we see between 1A and 1AA now.

It all trickles down... the extra 1A scholarships hurt the 1AA schools' quality of competitive ability, too.
The extra 1A scholarships don't just hurt the 1AA schools. The kid who went to Rutgers because he couldn't get a scholarship at PSU might now stay at PSU.
 

TiogaLion

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Isn’t 105 the scholarship limit Joe was limited to / coaching under?

There’s now no excuse for Franklin to underachieve.
1973 brought about the first limitations on football scholarships in order to free up money for women's sports after Title IX was passed by Congress in 1972 as part of the Equal Opportunity in Education Act. This caused the NCAA schools' presidents and athletic directors to push through a limit of 105 football scholarships. Additional reductions were made in 1978 (95) and again in 1992 which brought the limit to its present number of 85 and 63 for Division I-AA.
 
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Yeah, I’m hooked on Modern Family, a sublimely ridiculous show.

 

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That's been my point. They increased the number of scholarships that schools are allowed to award, not HAVE to award, and they have decreased the actual number of participants by setting roster limits. Again, in the case of baseball to were 42 active members of the team this year so they'll have to lose 8 members and the remaining 34 may or may not have any additional scholarships.
It’s actually 40 on the roster and 11.7 scholarships, but your point is correct. There will actually be less division one baseball players this coming year. If schools choose to give out full scholarships to everyone of those 34 players is to be determined by each school. Psu could be in a situation where their team only gives 15-20 scholarships and USC gives all 34
 
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The extra 1A scholarships don't just hurt the 1AA schools. The kid who went to Rutgers because he couldn't get a scholarship at PSU might now stay at PSU.
Yes. While Rutgers isn't among the top 20 to 25, i.e. a 'have', they are one of the Power conference schools I had in mind in the 'sorta' category... the next 40. They'll feel that pain, as will the Group Of schools, and it all will trickle down through all 130+ 1A schools, especially to the 'nots'.
Some more high level 1AA schools will probably start to out-recruit and out perform these 'nots' than currently do. But the 1AA 'nots' will start to get crushed.

The Group Of schools would do themselves a favor by having their own playoff and Championship system. That would keep more interest in more schools than it will otherwise, imo.
 
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The extra 1A scholarships don't just hurt the 1AA schools. The kid who went to Rutgers because he couldn't get a scholarship at PSU might now stay at PSU.
Correct. I think we underestimate how much this helped PSU back in the heyday of the Paterno years and hurt schools like Rutgers.
 

TiogaLion

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Correct. I think we underestimate how much this helped PSU back in the heyday of the Paterno years and hurt schools like Rutgers.
"FROM the day that Johnny Majors became the head football coach at Pittsburgh, Dec. 19, 1972, until mid-August, 1973, he and his new staff scoured the nation for as many football recruits as they could find. They signed 76 newcomers and 67 of them showed up at preseason training camp"

"This unlimited recruiting of players also brought Pitt up from the depths of football despair to a ranking position among the nation's powers, where it is likely to remain for some time. The undefeated Pitt team, winner of eight straight games this season, was ranked No.1 in the nation in the most recent ratings by the two wire service polls and The New York Times computer analysis.
But this recruiting method for a quick comeback to national prominence is unlikely to happen anywhere again because of current National Collegiate Athletic Association rules limiting the number of players a team may recruit. Now the once-weaker teams are making progress because the long-standing powerful teams are being restricted and thus being brought back to the pack. Pitt probably would have made it to the top under its dynamic head coaches but not as rapidly.

While Majors and his Pitt coaches were grabbing every player they could, the N.C.A.A. enacted its ''95-30'' rule in January 1973. This limited a college to 30 new players a year and a total of 95 football scholarships. The 30 limit went into effect in 1974 and the 95 was effective in 1978. Pittsburgh just got in under the wire with that massive recruiting job.
But the 95-30 rule is not the only reason that the power in Division I-A football is no longer concentrated among a handful of teams. College coaches and officials list other contributing factors.
- The N.C.A.A. limitation on the size of coaching staffs so that there can now be only one head coach and eight full-time assistant coaches. Staffs of 15 or more at major powers were not unusual in the 1960's, but that is no longer possible after the 1975 ruling.
- The increased number of high schools playing football in certain regions of the country and the improvement of high school coaching.
- The commitments by many colleges to spend money and improve facilities, which is an attraction to recruits and a source of developing skills of players on hand.
Faced with growing economic problems in the early 1970's, N.C.A.A. football powers imposed upon themselves the limitations on grantsin-aid or athletic scholarships for football each year. But the 95-30 rule's most noticeable effect has turned out to be a change in the power structure of major college football from coast to coast.
No longer can a team recruit 50 or more players just to keep some on the bench so the opponents do not have them. Talent is spreading and teams that were not ranked highly in the past are now having their day in the spotlight."

 

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Bear Bryant would recruit and sign kids to Alabama that he knew would never play for him, but at least it kept them from playing for Alabama's opponents.
 
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TiogaLion

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Bear Bryant would recruit and sign kids to Alabama that he knew would never play for him, but at least it kept them from playing for Alabama's opponents.
I've liked the Bear ever since he recruited Forrest Gump.
 
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Isn’t 105 the scholarship limit Joe was limited to / coaching under?

There’s now no excuse for Franklin to underachieve.
Until the the early 90’s (I forget the actual year it changed to 85), I believe the limit was 95 scholarships.

At some point in the history of college football, I believe there were unlimited scholarships until it evolved to 95, but I’m not certain of the full history.
 

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Until the the early 90’s (I forget the actual year it changed to 85), I believe the limit was 95 scholarships.

At some point in the history of college football, I believe there were unlimited scholarships until it evolved to 95, but I’m not certain of the full history.
First NCAA limit was imposed in 1973. Some say it was because of Title IX, others because of Johnny Majors. Prior to that limits were set by conference.
 

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Yeah, I’m hooked on Modern Family, a sublimely ridiculous show.
another I've, started from the beginning, again is Will and Grace. Pretty smart and funny and had a parade of really good guest stars.
 
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