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Almost all posters on this board would be considered extremely wealthy compared to the worldwide average. Yet for some reason none of us feels like a protected class.

We’re screwed. 😞
 

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Maybe the cockroaches like OSU or Oregon will pass on Nicky. Then Nicky will sue the NFL to overturn the three year rule so he can “go pro”😂.

This could be the final nail in college football’s coffin. I kind of hope so even though I love PSU football. However, this is bullcrap.
 
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The inmates are generating over 1 billion dollars a year for people other than themselves. I guess Capitalism doesn't apply to them.
By saying the inmates are generating over a $billion dollars per year I assume you mean that the facility people concessions, parking, and merchandise people aren't contributing much.

By "for people other than themselves" I assume you mean the track, softball, lacrosse, soccer, baseball, golf, and field hockey teams.

“The majority of universities in the nation’s top athletic conferences lost money through their sports programs to the tune of approximately $16 million each.”

Do Colleges Make Money From Athletics? | BestColleges
 

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By saying the inmates are generating over a $billion dollars per year I assume you mean that the facility people concessions, parking, and merchandise people aren't contributing much.

I remember the 3.5 hour broadcast of the concessionaires concessioning. It's exciting to watch them hand out 4 Yuenglings at once, and the time the challenge flag was thrown to review whether he carded that customer was intense drama.
 

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Not honoring contracts has been going on for years in our capitalist country?
For the record, I think maybe you misunderstood my previous response. I absolutely 100% agree with you that contracts should be honored. I never said you were anti capitalist. I offered an example of a prominent businessman with a reputation of not honoring contracts in our society. It wasn’t meant to be political and I think you thought I was disagreeing with you. I wasn’t.
 

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Almost all posters on this board would be considered extremely wealthy compared to the worldwide average. Yet for some reason none of us feels like a protected class.
That’s why the BOT can raise tuition .
 
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By saying the inmates are generating over a $billion dollars per year I assume you mean that the facility people concessions, parking, and merchandise people aren't contributing much.

By "for people other than themselves" I assume you mean the track, softball, lacrosse, soccer, baseball, golf, and field hockey teams.

“The majority of universities in the nation’s top athletic conferences lost money through their sports programs to the tune of approximately $16 million each.”

Do Colleges Make Money From Athletics? | BestColleges
I'm taking about tv revenue. It's largely what has led college football to where it is now. Yes the colleges benefit from that revenue but so do the likes of espn, CBS, etc. in a big way.
I'm fine with the model of sharing the revenue with other sports that don't make money. But that is a form of communism, not capitalism. Not sure why so people love capitalism is their daily life but not their college football
 

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Not sure why so people love capitalism is their daily life but not their college football
Maybe because college sports have historically been played by STUDENTS playing as AMATEURS.

At this point it might make sense to split football from the university. Allow it to run as a professional sports team. The only role of the university would be to lease the stadium. Forget classes and have the league impose salary caps to maintain competitiveness. But guess what? Players would be bound by contracts.
 

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Maybe because college sports have historically been played by STUDENTS playing as AMATEURS.

At this point it might make sense to split football from the university. Allow it to run as a professional sports team. The only role of the university would be to lease the stadium. Forget classes and have the league impose salary caps to maintain competitiveness. But guess what? Players would be bound by contracts.

AMATEURS who are making people who don't play the game millions upon millions upon millions of dollars while they receive nothing more than the chance at a "free education" they can't really take advantage of (or aren't equipped to fully take advantage of) because they hold down the full-time job of AMATEUR football player?

Maybe we should have thought about this when we were excited about our million dollar head coach decades ago ... not a lot of professors making a million dollars a year off teaching, despite folks complaining that profs and admins are too numerous and overpaid. Or when we were watching our prime-time matchup (that we chose from 6 other similar options on TV at the same time) with dozens of camera angles and millions of dollars of ads running across the screen. Or when we were watching the pageantry of the bowl game, wondering how it was so extravagant and such a "great reward" for the kids to play more football. Or when we were longing for more football games. And so on ...
 

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AMATEURS who are making people who don't play the game millions upon millions upon millions of dollars while they receive nothing more than the chance at a "free education" they can't really take advantage of (or aren't equipped to fully take advantage of) because they hold down the full-time job of AMATEUR football player?

Maybe we should have thought about this when we were excited about our million dollar head coach decades ago ... not a lot of professors making a million dollars a year off teaching, despite folks complaining that profs and admins are too numerous and overpaid. Or when we were watching our prime-time matchup (that we chose from 6 other similar options on TV at the same time) with dozens of camera angles and millions of dollars of ads running across the screen. Or when we were watching the pageantry of the bowl game, wondering how it was so extravagant and such a "great reward" for the kids to play more football. Or when we were longing for more football games. And so on ...
I realize that ship has sailed but I don't have to like it.

That said I completely disagree that the player received nothing more than a $200k scholarship. These same kids played high school football for free. When they come to a DI school they receive tutoring, technology, clothes, first class accommodations, spending money, and bowl prizes in addition to the highest level football training with access to professional connections. A lot of kids PAY $94k per year and get much less by attending IMG academy.

Furthermore I strongly believe that the fan/TV support would be just as good if players who weren't otherwise qualified for college were eliminated from competition. 110k people don't attend PSU games because they think the players are at the same level as professional players. They attend and watch because of their loyalty to their school and the game day atmosphere.

But I know that ship has sailed. So why continue the charade of players being students?
 

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I realize that ship has sailed but I don't have to like it.

That said I completely disagree that the player received nothing more than a $200k scholarship. These same kids played high school football for free. When they come to a DI school they receive tutoring, technology, clothes, first class accommodations, spending money, and bowl prizes in addition to the highest level football training with access to professional connections. A lot of kids PAY $94k per year and get much less by attending IMG academy.

Furthermore I strongly believe that the fan/TV support would be just as good if players who weren't otherwise qualified for college were eliminated from competition. 110k people don't attend PSU games because they think the players are at the same level as professional players. They attend and watch because of their loyalty to their school and the game day atmosphere.

But I know that ship has sailed. So why continue the charade of players being students?

A "$200K scholarship" ... and all they have to do is work 60 hours a week for that free schollie. So that they only have time to major in "Klassis Eye half too tacke two staye egligbull" and have a tutor push them along to get there, like they're a disabled person trying to "run" a marathon. But they did get a hoodie.

Hopefully your first job didn't actually give you any wages for 4 or 5 years ... they just said "hey, man, we're providing you with all this training ... and free pens and coffee ... be grateful."

No doubt fan/TV support would be just as good ... that's why DII and DIII football is such a revenue maker. Because people are just happy to cheer on their team and shell out oodles of money to do so. That's why all the "elite" football universities are trying to join together and exclude those lowly moochers so they can horde even more TV money ... because quality of players and competition don't matter.

I don't think they should continue the charade. They should have a minor league.

Note ... one "funny" additional thing - even the coaches/programs of non-revenue sports demand an unreasonable amount of time to be spent on their sport by the athletes. I remember that being a conversation with my nieces, two of whom were potentially D1 athletes in non-revenue sports ... and they had said that the attrition rate of girls going from their programs to these sports in college was crazy high (over 50%) because the coaches just wanted them to always be training or practicing, even if they weren't on scholarship, so if you had any kind of a challenging major, you just gave it up, eventually. So one just went DIII and the other just didn't do a college sport because it was an unnecessary hassle.
 

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A "$200K scholarship" ... and all they have to do is work 60 hours a week for that free schollie. So that they only have time to major in "Klassis Eye half too tacke two staye egligbull" and have a tutor push them along to get there, like they're a disabled person trying to "run" a marathon. But they did get a hoodie.

Hopefully your first job didn't actually give you any wages for 4 or 5 years ... they just said "hey, man, we're providing you with all this training ... and free pens and coffee ... be grateful."

No doubt fan/TV support would be just as good ... that's why DII and DIII football is such a revenue maker. Because people are just happy to cheer on their team and shell out oodles of money to do so. That's why all the "elite" football universities are trying to join together and exclude those lowly moochers so they can horde even more TV money ... because quality of players and competition don't matter.

I don't think they should continue the charade. They should have a minor league.

Note ... one "funny" additional thing - even the coaches/programs of non-revenue sports demand an unreasonable amount of time to be spent on their sport by the athletes. I remember that being a conversation with my nieces, two of whom were potentially D1 athletes in non-revenue sports ... and they had said that the attrition rate of girls going from their programs to these sports in college was crazy high (over 50%) because the coaches just wanted them to always be training or practicing, even if they weren't on scholarship, so if you had any kind of a challenging major, you just gave it up, eventually. So one just went DIII and the other just didn't do a college sport because it was an unnecessary hassle.
The NCAA has explicit limits on the amount of time dedicated to games, practices and team meetings or countable athletically related activities. Student-athletes are only allowed to dedicate a maximum four hours per day, 20 hours per week during the season with one day off and eight hours per week in the offseason with two days off.

I realize that this is only "supervised" practices and the kids spend a lot of time working on their own but they aren't spending 60 hrs per week just on their sport. Probably 60 hrs when combined with school during the season. Less during the off season.
 
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Maybe because college sports have historically been played by STUDENTS playing as AMATEURS.

At this point it might make sense to split football from the university. Allow it to run as a professional sports team. The only role of the university would be to lease the stadium. Forget classes and have the league impose salary caps to maintain competitiveness. But guess what? Players would be bound by contracts.
Guess what. NFL players are bound by contracts too. Except they sometimes sit out and try to get a bigger contracts and the team can cut them whenever it wants. Not really very binding. The contract is less of a commitment between the two and more of terms in which both must comply with when the contract suits both parties.

And yes, college athletes were historically AMATEURS. things change. Adapt or die.
 

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Guess what. NFL players are bound by contracts too. Except they sometimes sit out and try to get a bigger contracts and the team can cut them whenever it wants. Not really very binding. The contract is less of a commitment between the two and more of terms in which both must comply with when the contract suits both parties.

And yes, college athletes were historically AMATEURS. things change. Adapt or die.

I choose die.
 

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The inmates are generating over 1 billion dollars a year for people other than themselves. I guess Capitalism doesn't apply to them.
That‘s true and not true. They are the players we watch but we watch in large part because of the team and the league. If they play somewhere other than NFL or your favorite Big10 or SEC team football team, nobody is watching.
 
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That‘s true and not true. They are the players we watch but we watch in large part because of the team and the league. If they play somewhere other than NFL or your favorite Big10 or SEC team football team, nobody is watching.

Dumb question: Do they have fantasy leagues for “college” football (😞)? If people are fantasizing about “college” football (😞), then it is all about the players for those people. Of course, that’s betting horse-a$$ and not pure watching for the love of the game.

😞
 

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Guess what. NFL players are bound by contracts too. Except they sometimes sit out and try to get a bigger contracts and the team can cut them whenever it wants. Not really very binding. The contract is less of a commitment between the two and more of terms in which both must comply with when the contract suits both parties.
NFL players are fined if they fail to report to practices/games when under contract. They certainly can't leave and go to other teams when under contract. Saquon Barkley held out when with the Giants because his contract expired.
 
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Dumb question: Do they have fantasy leagues for “college” football (😞)? If people are fantasizing about “college” football (😞), then it is all about the players for those people. Of course, that’s betting horse-a$$ and not pure watching for the love of the game.

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Do college football teams, conferences and the NCAA make money off betting? I don’t know. If not, I guess it depends on whether fantasy league participants are watching and attending all of the games of the players they select, and buying college football swag for those teams, or just checking stats. Regardless, if Nico plays for a school that isn’t a big draw, he‘s not helping generate much money. The running back from Boise didn’t help generate as much money as Singleton and Allen because Boise didn‘t generate as many viewers as Penn State. It’s good to be a good player on a good team.
 
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And somewhere in the Dallas Metroplex, an SMU booster from the mid 1980s just lost his mind.
I hear you but there is this small detail that it wasn’t legal back then and SMU was brazen about the cheating.