FC: Sean Clifford unionizing players at Penn State.
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How about Pat Kraft has a statement from Vega Loane (freshman lineman). I'm sure he as opinion, too. Or is this just limited to 7 year mayo coffee?
PAC 12 and ACC folks might advise Sean on trusting anything coming out of Kevin Warren's mouth. Jus' saying!
BWICAC once again leading the world in knee jerk reactions........That’s the spirit.
I’m so ready for football. Let’s tank the season.
Suck it up Bob! Be worthy of participating here. It requires resolve. It's like two a days in Texas when it's 105 degrees.That’s the spirit.
I’m so ready for football. Let’s tank the season.
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Clifford is not a student athlete any more. A sixth year of football eligibility is foolish. It is time for Clifford to get on with life after college football.
Yes, how dare he interfere with our God given, constitutional right to sit on a couch, drink beer, play better and coach better than anyone, each and every fall!
An athlete with a mind.....we hate that!
The nerve of this punk! Perhaps the same "firing" squad recommended for CJF?
I don’t disagree, but since when is capitalism ‘woke’?
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Pat Kraft wants to link Sean Clifford to Kevin Warren for Student Athlete issues. That's great!, but no other student athlete can help represent PSU on student athletes? It's fine . . . I'm out.
Yeah, I still don’t know about this - did another player try to do this and was told no?
Good for you! It's so woke of these boys and young men to want to be paid for entertaining you and making billions of dollars for others. You'll show them real good!
Time Franklin calls in the Pinkertons to break up this nonsense
How is a 6th year senior leading a union of 18-19 year kids, most of whom are two years removed from being driven to HS football practice by their moms, a bad idea?
somehow, it seems like the idea of the people who actually do the work getting paid is bad, while paying passive investors is good- not sure how this has become dogma
It would be quite interesting to see the Income Statement and Balance Sheet for Penn State sports. Maybe it exists somewhere. So long as there are capital investments required (facilities, improvements, infrastructure, etc.), a profit is needed to fund them and at that level it is in essence a 'not for profit' enterprise. Any excess above that invest/payback/invest scenario makes it a 'for profit venture' and when the intention is to maximize that profit by capitalizing on the demand/popularity it's a full-fledged business enterprise. The conundrum here is the majority of the labor (players) for all the sports teams are non-paid and only one or two sports may actually make a profit while all the others do not. Do all the players get some compensation, some more than others due to cashflow by program, or is it equal across the board, or some other scheme. I think it's fair to question/examine this. I think the NCAA has failed to keep up with the times and as such is no longer needed.
Worth remembering that Joe had the vision of doing something long ago with the idea to pay a monthly stipend. Wonder what he thinks now?
Penn State football players should be seen and not heard? You don't think he's taking (graduate) courses?
I don't blame him for the offensive woes. Look no further than the o-line and the lack of a running game (besides Clifford). But, this seems to be a lot of time and effort being put into something instead of being 100% committed to the upcoming season.
If I'm Clifford, the first question I ask Kraft (not some distraction like Warren) is why doesn't the surplus generated by the football program got to benefits for the football program instead of underwriting stuff like tennis, golf, and..........yes, I'm going to say it, wrestling?
He’s apparently graduated, although taking some class, or classes to stay eligible for his 6th season. In any case, he has a ton of time on his hands outside of football now. If he’s going to be our starting QB this year and lead this team to a strong winning (say 9 wins minimum) season (unlike the past 2 seasons), then we’d better hope he’s 100% concentrating on playing football once camp breaks again for the 2022 season. This extracurricular stuff may be nice for his post college football career & potentially for other players with NIL, etc, but this team needs a bonafide, locked in QB that’s committed to winning football games now.How does he find the time for this crap given football and classes?
nope, union won’t allow it. Sean is guaranteed a 90% snap count.
1. It’s professional football now. The players are deriving their primary source of income from “performing” on the field.
2. Requiring these men “spare me the kids ****” to attend classes is a silly idea.
3. The players are effectively free agents. Why honor any scholarships beyond one year? If they don’t perform they should hit the street and go somewhere else. Penn State owes them nothing. They have to earn their keep now, just like the rest of us.
4. They are open to criticism for any failure to perform. If they hear boos too bad. They are no different than ball players in any other sport. If they don’t like it tough. No time to go back to Mama now. They are men. Their parents had best get used to it.
2. Requiring these men “spare me the kids ****” to attend classes is a silly idea.
3. The players are effectively free agents. Why honor any scholarships beyond one year? If they don’t perform they should hit the street and go somewhere else. Penn State owes them nothing. They have to earn their keep now, just like the rest of us.
4. They are open to criticism for any failure to perform. If they hear boos too bad. They are no different than ball players in any other sport. If they don’t like it tough. No time to go back to Mama now. They are men. Their parents had best get used to it.
I'm actually surprised at the number of posters who are NOT crushing Clifford for this. In my selfish fan-centric opinion, NIL / recruits to the highest bidders + Transfer Portal / perpetual free agency + whispers of unionization all = a seriously compromised product and pushing me further and further away from CFB.
They're not employees. They're not workers. They're college students playing a game and being treated like kings. The NLRB has already ruled on this. If they don't like the rules - go somewhere else (which actually is my fear b/c an NFL minor league would really crush CFB).
They're not employees. They're not workers. They're college students playing a game and being treated like kings. The NLRB has already ruled on this. If they don't like the rules - go somewhere else (which actually is my fear b/c an NFL minor league would really crush CFB).
We’re saving our disdain for the field. The first game of the season isn’t that far off.
If Clifford were missing practice during fall camp and the season to have these conversations that is one thing.
What exactly is it some here think he's missing this summer?
If this were a Buckeye or a Wolverine doing this, the same posters would be whining that PSU is falling behind.
What exactly is it some here think he's missing this summer?
If this were a Buckeye or a Wolverine doing this, the same posters would be whining that PSU is falling behind.
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