Football recruiting expenses by conference.

[DesotoCountyDawg]

In no surprise, MSU is last in the SEC.

College football recruiting expenses by conference: SEC stands out as Georgia spends big for success in 2022

The Dawgs have spent more than $16 million over the past six years for success both on the field and recruiting trail

www.cbssports.com

 

[aTotal360]

Wonder how many times Keenum has said the phrase "fiscally responsible"?

 

[8dog]

In no surprise, MSU is last in the SEC.

College football recruiting expenses by conference: SEC stands out as Georgia spends big for success in 2022

The Dawgs have spent more than $16 million over the past six years for success both on the field and recruiting trail

www.cbssports.com

I read this somewhere else and what I learned is that if we spent another million on recruiting we would recruit pretty much where we do now bc our 5 yr average and OMs are almost identical.

 

[mcdawg22]

In no surprise, MSU is last in the SEC.

College football recruiting expenses by conference: SEC stands out as Georgia spends big for success in 2022

The Dawgs have spent more than $16 million over the past six years for success both on the field and recruiting trail

www.cbssports.com

I guess the one thing I never thought about is transportation. We recruit a regional footprint which I assume we drive to many homes and games. Some of the national recruiters are flying from Florida to California and all points in between which I’m sure racks up some pretty hefty expenses.

 

[patdog]

Some of those numbers are just wrong. This happens every time schools report any athletic dept revenues or expenses. It's obvious there are some major differences in how schools classify and report financial information. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's not a lot of intentionally misleading (I'm stopping just short of saying fraudulent) information published. There is just no way LSU is next to last in recruiting expenses.

 

[aTotal360]

Some of those numbers are just wrong. This happens every time schools report any athletic dept revenues or expenses. It's obvious there are some major differences in how schools classify and report financial information. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's not a lot of intentionally misleading (I'm stopping just short of saying fraudulent) information published. There is just no way LSU is next to last in recruiting expenses.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but LSU's numbers don't surprise me. In any year, an "all Nawlins" team could play for a national championship. Tons of talent in their backyard.

UGA has ATL, but there isn't as much "stay at home" sentiment there because of so many transient families. Plus everyone in the southeast is hammering metro ATL because you can visit 100 4-5 star kids in a 30-mile radius. UGA is finally recruiting nationally now that Kirby is there.

The most ignorant numbers are aTm's. My god what a waste of money. On recruiting, coaching and you know NIL.

 

[thatsbaseball]

LOL I'll bet there are a lot people saying "now if State can spend that little and win 9 games......WTF are we doing wrong?".

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I guess the one thing I never thought about is transportation. We recruit a regional footprint which I assume we drive to many homes and games. Some of the national recruiters are flying from Florida to California and all points in between which I’m sure racks up some pretty hefty expenses.

Exactly. Same as LSU. It's both of our biggest advantage, obviously much moreso for LSU since they are alone in-state with more talent in-state.

It's an advantage we must continue to use. There's just no reason for us to spend more money on recruiting out-of-state, we aren't gonna land the prospects anyway.

It takes one of two things to build the brand needed to SUCCESSFULLY recruit nationally:

1) Years of sustained high-level winning (not just bowl games) above your head;
2) Getting lucky with a coach and a couple of players and winning a title, which then gives you added brand power for 20-25 years.

 

[QMartinez]

Exactly. Same as LSU. It's both of our biggest advantage, obviously much moreso for LSU since they are alone in-state with more talent in-state.

It's an advantage we must continue to use. There's just no reason for us to spend more money on recruiting out-of-state, we aren't gonna land the prospects anyway.

It takes one of two things to build the brand needed to SUCCESSFULLY recruit nationally:

1) Years of sustained high-level winning (not just bowl games) above your head;
2) Getting lucky with a coach and a couple of players and winning a title, which then gives you added brand power for 20-25 years.

It’s not the same. LSU will always get their top in State talent. take a look at our top 20 instate talent this year and where they are going, we can’t keep them in state. we have to be able to recruit out of state.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It’s not the same. LSU will always get their top in State talent. take a look at our top 20 instate talent this year and where they are going, we can’t keep them in state. we have to be able to recruit out of state.

You missed the point.

We have the highest chances of signing the highest rated talent, inside Mississippi.

And of course we "have to be able to recruit out of state". But defining the level at which we do this, is a bit tougher to do. Especially now, when the strategy used to be Alabama, Tennessee and Louisiana (and a few other areas). At the first chance, those guys now jump in the portal to go to the home schools. So....we also have to have a portal strategy.

 

[Ranchdawg]

It’s not the same. LSU will always get their top in State talent. take a look at our top 20 instate talent this year and where they are going, we can’t keep them in state. we have to be able to recruit out of state.

Yep, OM will get some with their improved NIL money and the blue chip programs will steal the rest. This doesn't include the bag men money.

 

[QMartinez]

Louisiana produces a blue chip deep crop of talent every year, we might have one every five years. Of that talent we get raided by the blue bloods who have much more NIL money and then ole miss gets their share. LSU gets the top players every year. I don’t see the similarity. We have to be able to recruit out of state.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Every recruiting visit Oregon makes involves a plan ride. We can recruit a 8-5/9-4 team all with in an 8 hour car ride. And the 8 hour is only for Atl/East Texas kids.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Louisiana produces a blue chip deep crop of talent every year, we might have one every five years. Of that talent we get raided by the blue bloods who have much more NIL money and then ole miss gets their share. LSU gets the top players every year. I don’t see the similarity. We have to be able to recruit out of state.

Well we certainly know you can't, or won't, think beyond surface level.

 

[YesIAmAPirate]

Dang, Vandy didn't even make the list

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Dang, Vandy didn't even make the list

Neither did USC. Both are Private Universities.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

There's just no reason for us to spend more money on recruiting out-of-state, we aren't gonna land the prospects anyway.

I agreed with most of what you said up until this point.

In recent years, many of the state's top recruits signed scholarships with out of state schools.

We discussed this a year and a half ago when talking about a 2021 Athletic article on Mississippi recruiting:

The Athletic with an Outstanding Mississippi Recruiting Confidential piece...

Inside recruiting in Mississippi: Kiffin, Leach, Deion and the last place in America where kids can actually hide https://t.co/1wqTiiFfGk— The Athletic Wisconsin (@TheAthleticWISC) November 18, 2021

www.on3.com

It changed this year though four of the state's top five recruits signed in-state (two for State & two for Ole Miss):

2023 Top Football Recruits in Mississippi

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

That said, State still needs to be present and look out of state too.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I agreed with most of what you said up until this point.

In recent years, many of the state's top recruits signed scholarships with out of state schools.

We discussed this a year and a half ago when talking about a 2021 Athletic article on Mississippi recruiting:

The Athletic with an Outstanding Mississippi Recruiting Confidential piece...

Inside recruiting in Mississippi: Kiffin, Leach, Deion and the last place in America where kids can actually hide https://t.co/1wqTiiFfGk— The Athletic Wisconsin (@TheAthleticWISC) November 18, 2021

www.on3.com

It changed this year though four of the state's top five recruits signed in-state (two for State & two for Ole Miss):

2023 Top Football Recruits in Mississippi

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

That said, State still needs to be present and look out of state too.

There’s no trend there. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, and it’s often directly correlated to how hard MSU and Ole Miss recruit them.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

As I have written in the past, this is where a strive for parity can be accomplished. The NCAA or conferences could make rules about budget caps.

 

[aTotal360]

LSU’s advantage is 2 fold.
1. New Orleans is always loaded with talent
2. No competitive in-state rival

 

[Perd Hapley]

Some of those numbers are just wrong. This happens every time schools report any athletic dept revenues or expenses. It's obvious there are some major differences in how schools classify and report financial information. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's not a lot of intentionally misleading (I'm stopping just short of saying fraudulent) information published. There is just no way LSU is next to last in recruiting expenses.

You are correct that LSU is way out of place. Rest of the list looks pretty accurate for what you’d expect, though.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I would love to hear Selmon's take on this after he's had time to size everything up. Oklahoma spent 2.6 mil recruiting last year recruiting and won 6 games in the Big 12. We spent 600K and won 9 games in the SEC. Over the long haul Oklahoma will obviously have more success but winning in this environment won't be just about the money.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

You missed the point.

We have the highest chances of signing the highest rated talent, inside Mississippi.

And of course we "have to be able to recruit out of state". But defining the level at which we do this, is a bit tougher to do. Especially now, when the strategy used to be Alabama, Tennessee and Louisiana (and a few other areas). At the first chance, those guys now jump in the portal to go to the home schools. So....we also have to have a portal strategy.

No Alabama has the highest chance of signing the highest rated talent in Mississippi if they want to sign them.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

No Alabama has the highest chance of signing the highest rated talent in Mississippi if they want to sign them.

Let me try this again. We have the highest chance of signing the best group of overall talent, from inside the state of Mississippi. We are in on those 4 stars. We are hardly ever in on a true 4 star from out of state. How many in the past 20 years? 3-5?

 

[aTotal360]

Let me try this again. We have the highest chance of signing the best group of overall talent, from inside the state of Mississippi. We are in on those 4 stars. We are hardly ever in on a true 4 star from out of state. How many in the past 20 years? 3-5?

Our best teams are typically good because of great OOS talent we were able to pull. Look at the contributors on Dak’s team.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

MSU should always try to sign the best talent in Mississippi, but we must spread our reach for players. We already do this, they just need to ramp it up a little more each year.

 

[thatsbaseball]

MSU should always try to sign the best talent in Mississippi, but we must spread our reach for players. We already do this, they just need to ramp it up a little more each year.

I think to us (and a lot more) "expanding or reach" in the future will rely more on the portal than out of state recruiting battles.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Our best teams are typically good because of great OOS talent we were able to pull. Look at the contributors on Dak’s team.

Those guys are generally not the highest rated guys from those states. Most of the time they are developmental at best. That's the entire point here, get our 'stars' from Mississippi where it's likelier to happen, then get the developmental guys from wherever.

 

[paindonthurt]

Our best teams are typically good because of great OOS talent we were able to pull. Look at the contributors on Dak’s team.

Tell me who on this team was "great" OOS talent? I mean highly recruited that other teams with an advantage over us wanted the player.

https://hailstate.com/sports/football/stats/2014

 

[paindonthurt]

Those guys are generally not the highest rated guys from those states. Most of the time they are developmental at best. That's the entire point here, get our 'stars' from Mississippi where it's likelier to happen, then get the developmental guys from wherever.

This.

Mullen's success was by getting the best he could from mississippi and getting guys with potential who were coachable from out of state.

 

[aTotal360]

Those guys are generally not the highest rated guys from those states. Most of the time they are developmental at best. That's the entire point here, get our 'stars' from Mississippi where it's likelier to happen, then get the developmental guys from wherever.

We can’t count on getting “stars” from anywhere. Because of history, we are always going to have to get best available. Relationships are about the only card MSU can play. And NIL is disrupting that.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

And NIL is disrupting that.

Not really. There's always been a pay-for-player aspect among the best players in Mississippi. Let's not act as if these guys had a moral conundrum about taking booster money before July 2021.

As far as getting our 'stars', you're just flat out wrong, nothing else I can tell you. You are making stuff up and picking at words to try and find a hole in the argument.