For those that follow the CFP closely
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The only way they don’t get in is if Clemson beats SMU and they still include SMU. So cheer for Clemson
Yes, if Clemson beats SMU, it's a tossup over whether they keep SMU in anyway and bump out Alabama, or if they leave out SMU.
That's the only real intrigue left. Well, that and who wins the Big 12 Championship Game, although the winner of that one is 100% in and the loser is 100% out.
That's the only real intrigue left. Well, that and who wins the Big 12 Championship Game, although the winner of that one is 100% in and the loser is 100% out.
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But you can’t do that without moving Bama down in the rankings AND moving Clemson ahead of SMU. You can’t have 10-3 Clemson ranked behind an 11-2 SMU team with an insanely weak schedule that they also just beat head to head. And you can’t move Clemson up 7-8 spots just for a win against the number 8 team…..total nonsense.
So Alabama is in the playoff. 100%. So are SMU, Clemson, UNLV, Boise State, Iowa State, and Arizona State. It’s a 15 team playoff. 3 of those other 6 teams from shíthole conferences get to play their way in….the other 3 are eliminated.
Clemson is getting an auto bid with a win. Its just a matter of whether smu is ahead of Bama or not. Not gonna matter where Clemson moves
Except it does matter…..because the rankings still have to have validity after the title games. And in any rational universe, Clemson can’t still be behind SMU if they win head-to-head and played a far tougher schedule. If Clemson is 13th, SMU’s gotta be 14th or below. And Bama ain’t dropping to 15th without playing. If Clemson is 11th, SMU’s gotta be 12th or below, and Bama ain’t dropping to 13th without playing. And Clemson’s not moving up any further than 11th, so no other discussion required.
Anyone who thinks these conference title games aren’t going to hurt the losers are drinking some serious kool-aid. They always have and always will have an impact….no matter what system. 3 of them are de facto playoff games.
Yes but that’s your opinion. I have mine. Others have theirs. The committee has theirs. So the answer to the OP is- bama could be out of Clemson wins. May not. No one knows.
Ok. Well in that case, why can’t UNLV also bump Bama out if they win? Does Boise State not have any possibility of getting the same treatment? It’s the exact same situation. Why not mention them as well if you’re going to take the “nobody knows!” angle? They may stay in the field as an at-large over Bama, and they may not. Their loss wouldn’t really be much different than SMU’s (#17 vs. #20 as far as the opponents in the CFP rankings).
But, in spite of all the BS rhetoric from the committee members, I think you do actually KNOW that Boise State would be out, don’t you? And you do know they’d be out because they lost their conference championship game (the extra game they “earned” that the committee guy allegedly said they weren’t going to penalize anyone for), and you do know that the beneficiary would be a team from another league with a worse record that didn’t even earn a spot in their league championship…..100% the exact situation they said they would avoid.
Its all the exact same deal. People keep trying to make SMU / Boise different because of branding, jersey names, etc., but they aren’t.
Bc no one views G5 the same as P4 so that’s why no one is going to debate whether Boise is in or out with a loss. It’s not like I have some nuanced theory. It’s literally the main debate among those that follow CFP. But Boise ever being top 10 was dumb. Because they were never going without a conference title (and you feel the same about smu). But the answer is still- if you want Bama out cheer for clemson
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They don't have to move Clemson up that much if they win. They would get the auto bid.
What you want is a close game where SMU gets beat on a last second field goal to go down by one or so. This is my wish.
There is no difference on paper between Boise State and SMU. Boise State actually had better wins before they beat UNLV last night. And the fact is that they are the #10 team right now, without any conference title. So, they would be punishing them for losing the extra game that they “earned”. If the MWC simply cancelled their title game, they’d have still been in without question.
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Of course. But the thing is they can’t just rig the final rankings to get certain teams in. Can’t move Clemson up to like #13, and leave SMU at #8, and leave that big gap between 3 teams when #13 beat #8 head to head. That’d be absurd and blatant manipulation to favor the ACC and screw the SEC.
And they also can’t move Clemson all the way up to #8 (ahead of 11-1 IU and 12-1 Boise State) just so they can just bump SMU / Boise down only 1 spot each. Also blatant manipulation.
We already know what the committee thinks of the ACC vs. Alabama because we already saw where they placed Miami last weekend. They’ve already set it up to where Bama will easily be in the field and can be justified to be there under any scenario.
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Every year, every week, there is stuff in the rankings that doesn't make much sense if you think about it.
All this "The committee can't do this" or "that" just doesn't really hold water. They can do whatever they want. If they want Alabama to be in no matter what, they'll make it happen. That's the decision they made last week - you can make an argument for Ole Miss, South Carolina, Alabama, even BYU, but the Committee decided they think Alabama is the most deserving of the spot and gave it to them.
If Clemson wins today, they'll decide whether they want SMU or Alabama, and then they'll set the rankings accordingly. No need to overthink about how many numbers up or down someone "can" go.
There is. One is ACC and one is G5. ACC teams will get at larges in this system over the course of time. G5s may never.
Exactly. Theh should get rid of the week to week rankings. It hems them in unnecessarily
I have no faith in the committee to exclude Bama. If there's even a .00001 chance that Bama can get in, they will.
Absolutely. The committee should meet once and announce the top 12. No need to justify on a week to week basis.
In the past I've made that argument with "like the basketball committees do" but unfortunately it's all moving in the wrong direction.
If they drop a team that is already in because of participating in a conference championship, they basically are begging teams to politely decline those games. If SMU is in now, and the ranking say they are, then what do they gain by playing in ACC Championship?
Nothing stops them from doing things that don’t make sense, but in my mind, you can’t drop SMU out now. Should have ranked them out of top 12 before championship game.
Nothing stops them from doing things that don’t make sense, but in my mind, you can’t drop SMU out now. Should have ranked them out of top 12 before championship game.
Teams have been dropped forever. Look no farther than Georgia.
the whole you can’t be penalized for a conference championship argument is dumb. It’s literally happened every year since this started.
if they politely decline. It’s a loss. If you don’t like the game, eliminate it. But with or without the game… the acc is only getting 1 team in.
What are some of these “every week, every year” things you are mentioning? Give me some examples of things that would compare to the scale of what I’m talking about.
Of course they can. But they have generally behaved rationally, and had very defensible positions on all the moves that they have made for a decade….even if not everyone agreed with them.
Exactly. And this is what they want. They already proved it with this week’s rankings.
This is all moot if SMU wins but I think it actually gives the CFP legitimacy if Bama is kept out. Then they can look back and say, “See we don’t just choose teams because of the jersey.” Plus, we don’t need a 12 team playoff this year, we be ideal year for 4 teamer. No one thinks ASU or Boise belongs in the same class as Texas or Oregon.
So putting a 2 loss team in that has beaten zero ranked teams and played an awful schedule… over a 3 loss team that is 3-1 vs ranked teams and played one of the toughest schedules in the country…. Because they play in a supposed power conference that isn’t anything powerful at all….
legitimizes the playoff…… OOOO-17-KKKK
“P4” is an illusion. There’s a “P2” and that’s it. Really, it’s more like a “P1.5”
You already have Boise State guaranteed to get a bye in the CFP, over the Big 12 champ. They might even get the 3-seed as the 3rd highest champ. In the final Top 20 you had three Big 12, three ACC, and two MWC teams. There’s not much separation between those leagues. None of them are worth a crap beyond the top 2-3 teams.
bingo….the p4… 1 is getting left out bye for Boise-freaking-state… maybe 2….
how is that deemed a power conference to the point we should reward 2nd and 3rd teams from said league? We aren’t clamoring for army… why… their resume isnt far off from smu.
Regardless of who is right in this idiotic argument…..this whole deal is yet again proof that Alabama is largely responsible for all the 17ups in college football.
Boise State literally lost to Oregon on a last second field goal….in Eugene. They were that close to being the #1 overall seed.
arguement will happen every year and will only get worse. There will never been 12 worthy teams of being in a playoff.. and will only get worse when expanding to 14 and 16.
shoulda went to 6 or 8. But here we are…
Heard it's pretty much the Gator which is pretty epic bring that we"ve went three times in the last 15 years all at 8-4. Best OM team evah!!!!!
^This. Clemson wins and they are 4, if they get ranked above the Big 12 winner. Right now Clemson is 17, while ASU is 15, and ISU is 16. Clemson could possibly jump the winner, if Clemson was to destroy SMU, but I doubt it. Clemson wins, and they most likely are 12. If it's a close Clemson win I could see the committee putting SMU 11 and Clemson 12. If it's a Clemson blowout they definitely put Bama in at 11. I think they put Bama in regardless.
You can’t just pretend those games didn’t happen if you lose. The happen & losses have consequences, especially when you have 0 quality wins.
Liberty bowl for $15 mil....hmmmm. I hope they keep right on doing that.
I’m not surprised you wouldn’t get it. Your history precedes you, but quit acting like Bama played UGA’s schedule. Bama lost to 6-6 Vandy and 6-6 Oklahoma. A murderers row that is not.
SMU lost by 3 to a 10-2 BYU team. If it loses close to a then 10-3 Clemson, those losses are not near as bad as Bama’s.
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