Former Gamecock, Quincy Hall, has one of top Olympic moments

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It's a shame some have chosen not to watch the Olympics, and miss moments such as this.
 

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It's a shame some have chosen not to watch the Olympics, and miss moments such as this.
I have kind of lost interest in the Olympics for various reasons.

As a kid, I always thought it was super exciting to have the winter and summer Olympics in the same year. It was such a big deal when that year rolled around and it felt like a whole year of coverage. For whatever reason, can't say it's right or wrong, I lost some enthusiasm when they changed the format. That Olympic year every 4th year was such a big deal when I was a kid.

Another reason I have lost some interest is the decrease in national affiliation. Case in point, I turned the games on earlier this week and it happened to be the pole vault. They were profiling the "Swedish" pole vaulter Armand Duplantis. Turns out he was born and raised in Louisiana Fully American. Trained in America. American parents. He's more American than apple pie and baseball. But his mom is Swedish, though she immigrated to the States 40 years ago and 15 years before Armand was born. He competes for Sweden because the offered his dad the pole vault coach position for the national team.

It just seems silly to me that you can compete for a country where you are not a citizen and have never lived, yet go up on that podium and hear that country's anthem played, then go back to your own home country after the games are over. It seems even sillier that the citizens of a country will ecstatically celebrate a non-citizen winning on behalf of their country. Just weird. The Olympics are, first and foremost, about national pride. Or used to be. Yes, you have individuals, but they are all part of Team USA or Team France or whatever. You compete for your country...or are supposed to. When I was kid there were intense rivalries between competitors from various countries, and it always felt more like country vs country. And who can forget USA hockey defeating Russia? Arguably the most thrilling moment in sports history not because any individual did anything but because America beat the Russians.

There has overall just been a decrease in the national pride aspect, and that's much of what made it exciting to me as a kid. Yes, I know there has always been some of what I described above, but it's just so widespread now. Most of the top swimmers in the world come to the US to train. Then go and swim for their home countries. The top swimmer from France, Marchand, is coached by an American who happens to be Michael Phelps old coach.

That said, I do enjoy the individual stories like the above. There have been some impressive moments. Katie Ledecky is a beast. It's always fun to see someone from a little country win. A runner from Saint Lucia won the women's 100 m gold, beating out 2 Americans, but it was so cool to see because it was the country's first ever Olympic medal of any kind, and it was a gold to boot. Those kinds of things are just fewer and farther between than they used to be.

Feel free to disagree, as I know you will, but there's not a right or wrong on it.
 

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Same can be said for college athletics.
With the portal and NIL there is no such thing as loyalty and allegiance to an institution.
Following the same players and rooting for them for 3-4 years used to be a major connection for fans.
Just like the Olympics, college athletics has lost some of its appeal for a number of reasons.
In my younger years I was a big professional sports fan but after attending college I migrated to focusing on college sports. Sadly, college sports have become much more like professional sports.
 
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Same can be said for college athletics.
With the portal and NIL there is no such thing as loyalty and allegiance to an institution.
Following the same players and rooting for them for 3-4 years used to be a major connection for fans.
Just like the Olympics, college athletics has lost some of its appeal for a number of reasons.
In my younger years I was a big professional sports fan but after attending college I migrated to focusing on college sports. Sadly, college sports have become much more like professional sports.
Very true.

It's getting more difficult to love college football for that reason. Your team can lose a beloved player to a hated rival and a player from a hated rival might join your team.

The heart and soul of college football has been seeing guys come in from high school and following them for 4 years in most cases. That's a rarity now.

Am I glad we landed a guy like Sanders from the portal? Sure. But my level of enthusiasm for him on a personal level is maybe a 3, compared with someone like Lattimore who was a 10. Sanders is a hired gun and I hope he makes us better, but I have no vested interest in him beyond that.
 

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I have kind of lost interest in the Olympics for various reasons.

As a kid, I always thought it was super exciting to have the winter and summer Olympics in the same year. It was such a big deal when that year rolled around and it felt like a whole year of coverage. For whatever reason, can't say it's right or wrong, I lost some enthusiasm when they changed the format. That Olympic year every 4th year was such a big deal when I was a kid.

Another reason I have lost some interest is the decrease in national affiliation. Case in point, I turned the games on earlier this week and it happened to be the pole vault. They were profiling the "Swedish" pole vaulter Armand Duplantis. Turns out he was born and raised in Louisiana Fully American. Trained in America. American parents. He's more American than apple pie and baseball. But his mom is Swedish, though she immigrated to the States 40 years ago and 15 years before Armand was born. He competes for Sweden because the offered his dad the pole vault coach position for the national team.

It just seems silly to me that you can compete for a country where you are not a citizen and have never lived, yet go up on that podium and hear that country's anthem played, then go back to your own home country after the games are over. It seems even sillier that the citizens of a country will ecstatically celebrate a non-citizen winning on behalf of their country. Just weird. The Olympics are, first and foremost, about national pride. Or used to be. Yes, you have individuals, but they are all part of Team USA or Team France or whatever. You compete for your country...or are supposed to. When I was kid there were intense rivalries between competitors from various countries, and it always felt more like country vs country. And who can forget USA hockey defeating Russia? Arguably the most thrilling moment in sports history not because any individual did anything but because America beat the Russians.

There has overall just been a decrease in the national pride aspect, and that's much of what made it exciting to me as a kid. Yes, I know there has always been some of what I described above, but it's just so widespread now. Most of the top swimmers in the world come to the US to train. Then go and swim for their home countries. The top swimmer from France, Marchand, is coached by an American who happens to be Michael Phelps old coach.

That said, I do enjoy the individual stories like the above. There have been some impressive moments. Katie Ledecky is a beast. It's always fun to see someone from a little country win. A runner from Saint Lucia won the women's 100 m gold, beating out 2 Americans, but it was so cool to see because it was the country's first ever Olympic medal of any kind, and it was a gold to boot. Those kinds of things are just fewer and farther between than they used to be.

Feel free to disagree, as I know you will, but there's not a right or wrong on it.
The above is hardly a new development. There have been many athletes in the past born and raised in the US that compete for another country. Sometimes the US Olympic teams are so stacked that it's almost impossible to crack into the team.
I don't see it as a abandonment issue, but more of an opportunity for some to participate in an event that they may not have another chance to do so.
I don't really have an issue with some of these kids wanting to pursue an Olympic dream. It is a once in a lifetime experience, and a memory that can never be taken away from them.
 

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The above is hardly a new development. There have been many athletes in the past born and raised in the US that compete for another country. Sometimes the US Olympic teams are so stacked that it's almost impossible to crack into the team.
I don't see it as a abandonment issue, but more of an opportunity for some to participate in an event that they may not have another chance to do so.
I don't really have an issue with some of these kids wanting to pursue an Olympic dream. It is a once in a lifetime experience, and a memory that can never be taken away from them.

Yes, I anticipated your response, which I is why I included the underlined sentence in my OP.

You see the Olympics as wholly individualistic. I see them as national team events..It is, after all, supposed to be what sets the Olympics apart from other events...competing for YOUR country.

Different strokes for different folks.
 

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He looked labored the entire race but still won. Not digging the Gold teeth.
just to be superficial for a moment, let me just say one thing that doesn't bother me- Sydney M.
 
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Yes, I anticipated your response, which I is why I included the underlined sentence in my OP.

You see the Olympics as wholly individualistic. I see them as national team events..It is, after all, supposed to be what sets the Olympics apart from other events...competing for YOUR country.

Different strokes for different folks.
The U.S. Olympic Hockey team Gold Medal is the prime example of what used to be national pride when watching the Olympics and why the viewership has changed dramatically.
 
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He looked labored the entire race but still won. Not digging the Gold teeth.
just to be superficial for a moment, let me just say one thing that doesn't bother me- Sydney M.

Yeah, he was definitely digging deep. Cool to see him win by sheer determination and will.
 

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The U.S. Olympic Hockey team Gold Medal is the prime example of what used to be national pride when watching the Olympics and why the viewership has changed dramatically.

Indeed. As a kid I got all juiced up by the "Americans vs the world" idea and that's what drove my interest. It's harder to have that mindset when you have American citizens who were born here, educated here, raised here, train here, but go compete for another country for some random reason.

Given what the Olympics is presumably about...national pride...it seems silly to say "well, I'm not good enough to make my country's team, so I'll just go compete for another country."

National pride is the fabric of the Olympics. It's why they play the national anthem of the winning individual's country and not some random song the winner likes. It's why they raise the flags of the medal winners. The medal ceremony highlights the country.

Yes, as I was first to note in my OP and Harvard was kind enough to reiterate, this has always happened to some degree. It's just so prevalent now with so much crossing over. It's watered down what the Olympics purport to be about.
 
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Yes, I anticipated your response, which I is why I included the underlined sentence in my OP.

You see the Olympics as wholly individualistic. I see them as national team events..It is, after all, supposed to be what sets the Olympics apart from other events...competing for YOUR country.

Different strokes for different folks.
That is an incorrect statement.
I see the Olympics as both team and individualistic. You have the team sports basketball, volleyball, water polo, etc, and then there are the individualistic events (although considered as part of a team), wrestling, boxing, certain track events, etc
 

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I am more a fan of the Winter Games. I will watch a lot of ice hockey no matter which teams are playing. I enjoy the skiing, especially the down hill. The last time I watched a single minute of the Summer Games was 1996 in Atlanta. When I was actually in attendance.
 

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I am more a fan of the Winter Games. I will watch a lot of ice hockey no matter which teams are playing. I enjoy the skiing, especially the down hill. The last time I watched a single minute of the Summer Games was 1996 in Atlanta. When I was actually in attendance.

And I'm the opposite. Have little interest in winter. Ice skating was kind of exciting with guys like Scott Hamilton and Bryan Boitano and gals like Peggy Fleming, Michelle Kwan, Kristi Yamaguchi, etc. Overall, we historically just aren't as good as a nation in winter Olympics as summer, though that changed somewhat when the let some of the snowboarding and such in.
 

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Overall, we historically just aren't as good as a nation in winter Olympics as summer, though that changed somewhat when the let some of the snowboarding and such in.
I think that's one reason why I tend to like the winter games more. I think it's more fun when we are underdogs.

For example, there's no real joy in watching the Dream Team win the basketball gold, only outrage when they don't.
 

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I think that's one reason why I tend to like the winter games more. I think it's more fun when we are underdogs.

For example, there's no real joy in watching the Dream Team win the basketball gold, only outrage when they don't.
That is true. It's generally met with greater surprise/excitement when we do well in the winter Olympics.
 

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The U.S. Olympic Hockey team Gold Medal is the prime example of what used to be national pride when watching the Olympics and why the viewership has changed dramatically.
Part of the viewership change is that you have so much access to different media. Most people are not going to watch things that are not into like they are used to. When you have so much access, tolerance is low and that is for all people. Not just people that are into it for Nationalistic pride or Team pride. I used to watch as much of the Olympics as I could. Now, if it is not a sprint in Track & Field or Basketball, I am not interested.
 
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Part of the viewership change is that you have so much access to different media. Most people are not going to watch things that are not into like they are used to. When you have so much access, tolerance is low and that is for all people. Not just people that are into it for Nationalistic pride or Team pride. I used to watch as much of the Olympics as I could. Now, if it is not a sprint in Track & Field or Basketball, I am not interested.
I doubt most of the country started watching the Olympics with a focus on the U.S. Hockey team, but it became a phenomenon and brought in viewers with no interest in hockey but solely due to the national pride angle and ''cold war'' mentality.
 

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Quite an effort and watching his facial expressions it appeared to me in his mind he was saying to himself ''I've got this''.
 

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I doubt most of the country started watching the Olympics with a focus on the U.S. Hockey team, but it became a phenomenon and brought in viewers with no interest in hockey but solely due to the national pride angle and ''cold war'' mentality.
Was a different time back then. I even watched the U.S.- Russia match. That was the 80's. There is no way I would watch hockey of any kind now. Nothing against the sport. Just not my thing. There is just too many media choices now to watch something that you are sort of interested in.
 

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Had a huge comeback down the stretch to take gold in the 400 M. With about 10 seconds left in the race the announcer said "Watch Hall. He's fading badly at this point" then he just kicked in. Remarkable comeback.

Great video angle here.


And a great call by NBC's Lee Diffey.
 
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Fascinating video that explains what Hall had to endure/overcome to win the 400

 
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