Franklin Record

[Nitdad]

I went through the Win-Loss Record of James Franklin since he started coaching at Penn State through the end of 2021. I used Sport Reference as my reference website when reviewing Penn State's record over the past 8 years and found the following.

• Against Top 10 teams, JF is 3-13 overall, (1-9 on the road).
• Against all Top 25 teams, JF is 10-20 overall, (5-14 on the road).
• JF against all teams with a winning record is 27-27, and is 40-6 against teams with a .500 or losing record.
• JF is 7-17 against OSU, Michigan, and MSU.

PSU is now facing Michigan (#6), Minnesota (Unranked), and Ohio State (#2) over the next three weeks.

 

[Midnighter]

I went through the Win-Loss Record of James Franklin since he started coaching at Penn State through the end of 2021. I used Sport Reference as my reference website when reviewing Penn State's record over the past 8 years and found the following.

• Against Top 10 teams, JF is 3-13 overall, (1-9 on the road).
• Against all Top 25 teams, JF is 10-20 overall, (5-14 on the road).
• JF against all teams with a winning record is 27-27, and is 40-6 against teams with a .500 or losing record.
• JF is 7-17 against OSU, Michigan, and MSU.

PSU is now facing Michigan (#6), Minnesota (Unranked), and Ohio State (#2) over the next three weeks.

If you have the time, do the same for Harbaugh. Big difference there is that before winning the B1G and going to the CFP, Harbaugh agreed to half his salary. Franklin finishes 7-6 and a dumpy bowl performance and gets a raise and an extension.

 

[leinbacker]

What is Franklin's record post sanctions? Kind of hard to expect Penn State to be competitive against top teams when they had what, 20 fewer scholarships than their opponents?

 

[Midnighter]

What is Franklin's record post sanctions? Kind of hard to expect Penn State to be competitive against top teams when they had what, 20 fewer scholarships than their opponents?

This is fair, but doesn't help much. Let's start with 2016 - the B1G Championship year and go from there:

2016 - 2-2 vs. Top 10 Teams

2017 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2018 - 0-2 vs. Top Ten Teams, 0-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2019 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 3-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2020 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams

2021 - 0-3 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-2 vs. Top 25

So, since 2016, 2-7 vs. Top Ten Teams, and 7-5 vs. Top 25 Teams (or, 9-12 vs. both Top Ten and Top 25 teams combined).

 

[Woodpecker]

This is fair, but doesn't help much. Let's start with 2016 - the B1G Championship year and go from there:

2016 - 2-2 vs. Top 10 Teams

2017 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2018 - 0-2 vs. Top Ten Teams, 0-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2019 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 3-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2020 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams

2021 - 0-3 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-2 vs. Top 25

So, since 2016, 2-7 vs. Top Ten Teams, and 7-5 vs. Top 25 Teams (or, 9-12 vs. both Top Ten and Top 25 teams combined).

Are those records against team ranking when Penn State played them or at the end of the season?

 

[Midnighter]

Are those records against team ranking when Penn State played them or at the end of the season?

When they were played.

 

[BobPSU92]

Franklin laughs at wins and losses.

 

[Midnighter]

Franklin laughs at wins and losses.

The analytics, and his bank account, show they don't matter much......

 

[Midnighter]

Are those records against team ranking when Penn State played them or at the end of the season?

Also, 6-11 vs, OSU, Michigan, and MSU over that span (2016-2021)

 

[psuro]

PSU is now facing Michigan (#6), Minnesota (Unranked), and Ohio State (#2) over the next three weeks.

 

[Psu00]

This is fair, but doesn't help much. Let's start with 2016 - the B1G Championship year and go from there:

2016 - 2-2 vs. Top 10 Teams

2017 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2018 - 0-2 vs. Top Ten Teams, 0-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2019 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams, 3-1 vs. Top 25 Teams

2020 - 0-1 vs. Top Ten Teams

2021 - 0-3 vs. Top Ten Teams, 2-2 vs. Top 25

So, since 2016, 2-7 vs. Top Ten Teams, and 7-5 vs. Top 25 Teams (or, 9-12 vs. both Top Ten and Top 25 teams combined).

Shouldn’t that be 2-10 vs top 10 teams, 7-5 vs top 25, 9-15 vs both?

 

[Midnighter]

Shouldn’t that be 2-10 vs top 10 teams, 7-5 vs top 25, 9-15 vs both?

Whoops. Yeah, that sounds better.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

If you have the time, do the same for Harbaugh. Big difference there is that before winning the B1G and going to the CFP, Harbaugh agreed to half his salary. Franklin finishes 7-6 and a dumpy bowl performance and gets a raise and an extension.

Got this from a Mandel tweet last year....Harbaugh was 2-13 versus top 10 teams as of Oct last year and from there he split 2 matchups so 3-14. They beat tOSU and got smoked by UGa...could be another one in there, but you get the point as his record isn't some huge upgrade from JF there. There is some myth out there among college football fans that coaches are excelling in top 10 matchups. Bottom line is 1 school has a history of being above .500 against top 10 teams historically...USC.

Smart, Day, Saban, Dabo, and Kirby are probably the outliers currently compared to the other 65 power 5 coaches currently. I would say those 5 currently are in a class of their own. I could be missing one though as this is very limited research at 5am on a Friday if you can even call it that.

Just some examples....
Jimbo @ A&M 3-8.
Ferentz 3-12.
B. Kelly 3-11
Harbaugh 3-14

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So while Franklin's numbers aren't good against the top 10, he's not some anomaly either if you click on the link above. If he wants to make that final step....this isn't a bad week to get it started. I'm not sure why people post these stats like they are gotchas......they are pretty much the norm unless you are competing every year for a MNC. Hell PSU is just looking to get into the dance right now and it's up to that huge contract to get it done. Winning against top 10 teams is hard....winning on the road against them is even harder. PSU isn't UGa, Bama, Clemson, tOSU....they aren't. They are trying to get there....it isn't easy. I think most PSU fans want to think this team can run the ball and win 2 of the next 3 somehow....but they could just as easily go 1-2.

 

[Indian rocks rich]

I went through the Win-Loss Record of James Franklin since he started coaching at Penn State through the end of 2021. I used Sport Reference as my reference website when reviewing Penn State's record over the past 8 years and found the following.

• Against Top 10 teams, JF is 3-13 overall, (1-9 on the road).
• Against all Top 25 teams, JF is 10-20 overall, (5-14 on the road).
• JF against all teams with a winning record is 27-27, and is 40-6 against teams with a .500 or losing record.
• JF is 7-17 against OSU, Michigan, and MSU.

PSU is now facing Michigan (#6), Minnesota (Unranked), and Ohio State (#2) over the next three weeks.

How about just win this Saturday Franklin doesn’t suit up and play. The penn state players need to play at a high level without making game changing mistakes and I think they will be rewarded with a W

 

[LB99]

Harbaugh’s numbers aren’t good in the same categories. Neither were Kelly’s at ND and he cashed in at LSU. I’m not blowing off the stats, but unless your name is Saban, Sweeney, or Day, you probably have similar records against top teams.

 

[marshall23]

Got this from a Mandel tweet last year....Harbaugh was 2-13 versus top 10 teams as of Oct last year and from there he split 2 matchups so 3-14. They beat tOSU and got smoked by UGa...could be another one in there, but you get the point as his record isn't some huge upgrade from JF there. There is some myth out there among college football fans that coaches are excelling in top 10 matchups. Bottom line is 1 school has a history of being above .500 against top 10 teams historically...USC.

Smart, Day, Saban, Dabo, and Kirby are probably the outliers currently compared to the other 65 power 5 coaches currently. I would say those 5 currently are in a class of their own. I could be missing one though as this is very limited research at 5am on a Friday if you can even call it that.

Just some examples....
Jimbo @ A&M 3-8.
Ferentz 3-12.
B. Kelly 3-11
Harbaugh 3-14

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So while Franklin's numbers aren't good against the top 10, he's not some anomaly either if you click on the link above. If he wants to make that final step....this isn't a bad week to get it started. I'm not sure why people post these stats like they are gotchas......they are pretty much the norm unless you are competing every year for a MNC. Hell PSU is just looking to get into the dance right now and it's up to that huge contract to get it done. Winning against top 10 teams is hard....winning on the road against them is even harder. PSU isn't UGa, Bama, Clemson, tOSU....they aren't. They are trying to get there....it isn't easy. I think most PSU fans want to think this team can run the ball and win 2 of the next 3 somehow....but they could just as easily go 1-2.

There you go pointing out the errors of the Franklin haters......here's something else for those who complain about his contract. There are a minimum of 12 D1 coaches who are higher paid (per year).
I look forward to 9 years and an additional 7 or 8 games for the anti Franklin contingent to suffer.
The experts picked this to be an 8 win to 8.5 win team. I think the coach has them on track for that.
When he is gone.....they will apply the same nonsense to his successor.

 

[LB99]

Just for giggles, someone look up Paterno’s record in the same categories from 2000-2011. Make sure it includes his record vs Iowa and Michigan in that time frame regardless of ranking. Was the same anti-Franklin crowd looking to run Joe out of town? Doubtful.

 

[Nitt1300]

Other than Saban, please list all of the coaches who have a winning record against top ten teams

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Got this from a Mandel tweet last year....Harbaugh was 2-13 versus top 10 teams as of Oct last year and from there he split 2 matchups so 3-14. They beat tOSU and got smoked by UGa...could be another one in there, but you get the point as his record isn't some huge upgrade from JF there. There is some myth out there among college football fans that coaches are excelling in top 10 matchups. Bottom line is 1 school has a history of being above .500 against top 10 teams historically...USC.

Smart, Day, Saban, Dabo, and Kirby are probably the outliers currently compared to the other 65 power 5 coaches currently. I would say those 5 currently are in a class of their own. I could be missing one though as this is very limited research at 5am on a Friday if you can even call it that.

Just some examples....
Jimbo @ A&M 3-8.
Ferentz 3-12.
B. Kelly 3-11
Harbaugh 3-14

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sites.google.com

So while Franklin's numbers aren't good against the top 10, he's not some anomaly either if you click on the link above. If he wants to make that final step....this isn't a bad week to get it started. I'm not sure why people post these stats like they are gotchas......they are pretty much the norm unless you are competing every year for a MNC. Hell PSU is just looking to get into the dance right now and it's up to that huge contract to get it done. Winning against top 10 teams is hard....winning on the road against them is even harder. PSU isn't UGa, Bama, Clemson, tOSU....they aren't. They are trying to get there....it isn't easy. I think most PSU fans want to think this team can run the ball and win 2 of the next 3 somehow....but they could just as easily go 1-2.

Thank you for some sanity to this discussion. Last night, I saw one of the networks showing that JF's record on the road against top 5 teams was 0-8. Never mind that for a couple of those games he was taking Vanderbilt into Tuscaloosa. Yep, JF should have won those games! Or, never mind that since (at least 2010), Ohio State has only lost ONCE at home to a conference opponent (MSU in 2015) while ranked in the top 5. In other words, only one coach (Dantonio) in the entire Big10 has ever beaten a top 5 OSU in Columbus in over 10 years!!

You are right, we could put together similar "failure" stats for nearly every coach in the country other than Saban, Meyer, Day, and Swinney.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Thank you for some sanity to this discussion. Last night, I saw one of the networks showing that JF's record on the road against top 5 teams was 0-8. Never mind that for a couple of those games he was taking Vanderbilt into Tuscaloosa. Yep, JF should have won those games! Or, never mind that since (at least 2010), Ohio State has only lost ONCE at home to a conference opponent (MSU in 2015) while ranked in the top 5. In other words, only one coach (Dantonio) in the entire Big10 has ever beaten a top 5 OSU in Columbus in over 10 years!!

You are right, we could put together similar "failure" stats for nearly every coach in the country other than Saban, Meyer, Day, and Swinney.

These stats are used by microphones to stir up content and discussion. There is a reason the term "UPSET" is used when playing top 10 teams on the road as normally you do lose. People quote these stats every year before any big game and these are normal stats. UM hasn't won in Columbus 2 decades. Most top 10 teams tend to win at home the majority of the time and the stats bare that out.

 

[Midnighter]

Other than Saban, please list all of the coaches who have a winning record against top ten teams

Not the OP, but the record vs top ten teams was less about pointing out Franklin’s shortcomings in big games and more to illustrate the likelihood of a win tomorrow based on previous performance vs similarly ranked opponents. The things that matter are record vs the top teams in conference (it’s a losing record) and conference championship appearances, of which there is only one. We are usually the second best team in the conference in recruiting rankings but have very little - including big bowl wins - to show for it.

 

[Nitt1300]

Not the OP, but the record vs top ten teams was less about pointing out Franklin’s shortcomings in big games and more to illustrate the likelihood of a win tomorrow based on previous performance vs similarly ranked opponents. The things that matter are record vs the top teams in conference (it’s a losing record) and conference championship appearances, of which there is only one. We are usually the second best team in the conference in recruiting rankings but have very little - including big bowl wins - to show for it.

I think it was more about dissing Franklin

and I'd like to see an answer to that request for the list

 

[Midnighter]

There you go pointing out the errors of the Franklin haters......here's something else for those who complain about his contract. There are a minimum of 12 D1 coaches who are higher paid (per year).
I look forward to 9 years and an additional 7 or 8 games for the anti Franklin contingent to suffer.
The experts picked this to be an 8 win to 8.5 win team. I think the coach has them on track for that.
When he is gone.....they will apply the same nonsense to his successor.

Wishing suffering on people is sorta mean.....

 

[BobPSU92]

F*ck us. Always and forever f*ck us.

 

[marshall23]

Wishing suffering on people is sorta mean.....

Unless they relish it.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

There's a very good reason coaches have losing records against top 10 teams. Those teams are very good. In addition, there's a big difference in playing a top 10 team at home or on the road.

One stat that I've never seen for head coaches and probably a better indicator of coaching ability, would be their record as a favorite and as an underdog.

What is perceived as that coach having a believed better team and/or chance to win that game by the experts in Las Vegas.

I realize that the betting line is designed to have split betting 50-50 by bettors and influenced by how the bets are being placed and not necessarily who is the better team, but it's the best we have.

 

[marshall23]

F*ck us. Always and forever f*ck us.

Some one has to.

 

[WVilleLion]

some of you.

 

[BW Lion]

So what do we do tomorrow when Franklin drops another turd while being compensated $759,000 for doing so?

 

[Nitt1300]

So what do we do tomorrow when Franklin drops another turd while being compensated $759,000 for doing so?

you would no doubt gloat-

 

[cac@PSU]

With Paterno I expected a win, but with Franklin I just hope is not a route by Mich and OSU

 

[PSU87]

With Paterno I expected a win, but with Franklin I just hope is not a route by Mich and OSU

Let's be honest....Joe dropped some turds against UM.

Forget what year it was, i think 07?....UM coming off getting shredded by Oregon and a running QB. Joe stubbornly goes with Morelli over Clark and we go into Ann Arbor and score 9 points.

 

[LB99]

Let's be honest....Joe dropped some turds against UM.

Forget what year it was, i think 07?....UM coming off getting shredded by Oregon and a running QB. Joe stubbornly goes with Morelli over Clark and we go into Ann Arbor and score 9 points.

07 was a big turd. Chad Henne was out and PSU could only muster up 3 FGs and lost to true freshman Ryan Mallet. Yet another game where Carr outcoached Joe. Joe stubbornly went with Morelli the whole season and PSU paid the price for it. The whole year was lackluster.

 

[LB99]

So what do we do tomorrow when Franklin drops another turd while being compensated $759,000 for doing so?

At least it won’t be 6-4.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

With Paterno I expected a win, but with Franklin I just hope is not a route by Mich and OSU

Regardless, my guess is unlike you, both Paterno and Franklin know the difference between a "route" and a "rout".

 

[PSU12046]

Regardless, my guess is unlike you, both Paterno and Franklin know the difference between a "route" and a "rout".

Route 66? No wonder PSU never showed up.

 

[Ludd]

With Paterno I expected a win, but with Franklin I just hope is not a route by Mich and OSU

I never expected a win with Paterno when it was against Michigan or Iowa.

 

[EPC FAN]

I went through the Win-Loss Record of James Franklin since he started coaching at Penn State through the end of 2021. I used Sport Reference as my reference website when reviewing Penn State's record over the past 8 years and found the following.

• Against Top 10 teams, JF is 3-13 overall, (1-9 on the road).
• Against all Top 25 teams, JF is 10-20 overall, (5-14 on the road).
• JF against all teams with a winning record is 27-27, and is 40-6 against teams with a .500 or losing record.
• JF is 7-17 against OSU, Michigan, and MSU.

PSU is now facing Michigan (#6), Minnesota (Unranked), and Ohio State (#2) over the next three weeks.

Here we go! It’s game day so lets dredge up NEGATIVITY under the guise of “telling it like it is.” Miserable bastitch.

 

[OaktonDave]

Let's be honest....Joe dropped some turds against UM.

Forget what year it was, i think 07?....UM coming off getting shredded by Oregon and a running QB. Joe stubbornly goes with Morelli over Clark and we go into Ann Arbor and score 9 points.

Only the Bear Bryant coached Alabama teams owned Joe like UM.

 

[razpsu]

Just for giggles, someone look up Paterno’s record in the same categories from 2000-2011. Make sure it includes his record vs Iowa and Michigan in that time frame regardless of ranking. Was the same anti-Franklin crowd looking to run Joe out of town? Doubtful.

Just as Many of not more called for Joe to retire. He did win 2 big tens in that period and was on his way to a third by the way. Not sure why you are bringing up Joe.

this is franklins time. Let’s get this win today!!!