Franklin Record
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We restate same issues, complaints, finger pointing, my favorite assigning blame….is it Franklin? we need better Players? Players have to play! Yada yada…all that, but all this can be mitigated and increase your chance of success, it’s the mix of both art and science!
Coaches (Cordinators) call plays that will be successful based on down and distance “situational” there is a lot that goes into it besides the obvious aforementioned. Probability of success, opponnents tendency and weaknesses and your strengths to expose that, Flow of the game-rhythm of ur play calling, team unit success or failure to ur play call, and ur opponents reaction and performance to ur current drive, what is ur player situation-who can execute the play u call-the plays you call are based on the ability of the players you have, predicting what the defense and/or offense will call etc…leaving many items out…lot of calibration that is processed in mere seconds and often less than a minute. It’s one giant algorithms every play, probability, this is the science. In other words, don’t call plays that ur players chances of success are low!
Franklins job is to manage the game flow and his coordinators Play calling to a specific degree, how much does he meddle or override, that’s the art of the HC. It’s very difficult.
Most games success and failure falls on either the Coaching=play calling or failure of the Player e.g. fumble, dropped TD or missed chip shot FG etc.
This is a game that will depend on both players and coaches almost perfect execution, I will take very good and some luck.
So after the result of this game try to determine if the end result was the coaches or the players. Which was greater?
Unfortunately, Franklins early years and some recent miscues have given him a somewhat negative view of his ability to win the big game. He simply needs to Win these type of games to flip the rep he has..this game is more than winnable!
Coaches (Cordinators) call plays that will be successful based on down and distance “situational” there is a lot that goes into it besides the obvious aforementioned. Probability of success, opponnents tendency and weaknesses and your strengths to expose that, Flow of the game-rhythm of ur play calling, team unit success or failure to ur play call, and ur opponents reaction and performance to ur current drive, what is ur player situation-who can execute the play u call-the plays you call are based on the ability of the players you have, predicting what the defense and/or offense will call etc…leaving many items out…lot of calibration that is processed in mere seconds and often less than a minute. It’s one giant algorithms every play, probability, this is the science. In other words, don’t call plays that ur players chances of success are low!
Franklins job is to manage the game flow and his coordinators Play calling to a specific degree, how much does he meddle or override, that’s the art of the HC. It’s very difficult.
Most games success and failure falls on either the Coaching=play calling or failure of the Player e.g. fumble, dropped TD or missed chip shot FG etc.
This is a game that will depend on both players and coaches almost perfect execution, I will take very good and some luck.
So after the result of this game try to determine if the end result was the coaches or the players. Which was greater?
Unfortunately, Franklins early years and some recent miscues have given him a somewhat negative view of his ability to win the big game. He simply needs to Win these type of games to flip the rep he has..this game is more than winnable!
I can give you the answer to that right now…it’s always Franklin according to many on here. I have yet to see a loss or a close win over a lesser opponent that wasn’t blamed on Franklin….mostly by people who’ve never coached before.
Franklin's perrformance against the 'top' teams in the B1G East is actually not too bad - he's very good at getting Penn State to play to their level. Unfortunately, that goes both ways. Bad losses to Pitt, Minnesota, and Iowa have derailed likely B1G Championship/CFP appearance years. Taking losses against Michigan and OSU while not great, aren't killers if you take care of business against everyone else (and only Michigan and OSU have as good or better talent than PSU year in, year out). We need to take 2/3 against Michigan, Minny, and OSU to get a NY6 game, which would be a solid year. Of course, Maryland and Michigan State are still lurking....
Yes. Because as the HC, he gets credit for everything (wins/losses). If he didn't call the play to run right into Chase Young, he allowed it. There are dozens of examples of boneheaded calls/clock management plays that ultimately fall on Franklin's very expensive shoulders. He's a big boy and takes criticism much better than his fan club here.
A coach can call the best play in the world and if the players don’t execute it looks like a terrible call to the Monday morning coaches. Coaching with hindsight gives one an incredible advantage over those that have to make the actual decisions in game.
True, but some are obvious. You’ll see a lot of this in real time in today’s game thread. I guarantee we’ll see a third and long where we throw five yards short of the marker.
I bring it up because many of the crew that want to criticize Franklin act like Joe never had pedestrian seasons. There were plenty during that time frame.
Sooo...we should immediately leave for State College and forfeit today's game, right? Thankfully the players could not care less about stuff like this...and that's all that matters.
And maybe we throw short of the marker because no one else is open or because someone ran a wrong route. Point is there’s a lot going on during a game that we as fans don’t and can’t know, so our judgement is not accurate.
Unfortunately every PSU coach is going to have to compete with selective memory about our past and unrealistic expectations based on those selective memories.
It’s really the rep Franklin created, which started his first year. I think the Pitt game or another game his first season when he didn’t call an obvious timeout? Memory lapses specifics but it was about time management and overall game management was lacking and didn’t improve for a few seasons….when a layman, average fan sees the obvious this opens up great criticism.
I was and have been critical of him myself. I like him overall and don’t think other coaches who have been often named are the fix less the few well known successful ones who aren’t available. Joe lost or won often within a small margin of points. He overall was smart, conservative and rarely lost to teams he wasn’t supposed to. But, I also challenged Joe personally over opening up recruiting geography back in 2002
I want Franklin to be successful here for years to come. He needs to drop the arrogance and lack of admittance during post game press conferences…never once have I heard him blame himself for failures…if he does this he will squash a lot of the haters and earn more empathy, of course consistent successful play on the field will help too
Time management is another thing that’s easy to judge after the fact.It’s really the rep Franklin created, which started his first year. I think the Pitt game or another game his first season when he didn’t call an obvious timeout? Memory lapses specifics but it was about time management and overall game management was lacking and didn’t improve for a few seasons….when a layman, average fan sees the obvious this opens up great criticism.
I was and have been critical of him myself. I like him overall and don’t think other coaches who have been often named are the fix less the few well known successful ones who aren’t available. Joe lost or won often within a small margin of points. He overall was smart, conservative and rarely lost to teams he wasn’t supposed to. But, I also challenged Joe personally over opening up recruiting geography back in 2002
I want Franklin to be successful here for years to come. He needs to drop the arrogance and lack of admittance during post game press conferences…never once have I heard him blame himself for failures…if he does this he will squash a lot of the haters and earn more empathy, of course consistent successful play on the field will help too
If you're lucky you'll awaken. If you're smart you'll go to church.So what do we do tomorrow when Franklin drops another turdwhile being compensated $759,000 for doing so?
Agree 100%…OSU is OSU an anomaly for now…..can’t loose to Illinois at home either…I think this game is within 4 points.
When you join the NeverFranklins, and look around and see folks like BWLion standing next to you in solidarity ... screaming out that the team sucks because they never pull linemen ... as the team is repeatedly pulling linemen ... it should be a wake up call. It'd be like going to a political rally, totally convinced you figured it all out, and seeing MTG, Roy Moore and Herschel Walker chanting along with you ...
It’s easy to see in real time - stop thinking coaching college football is quantum physics. It’s not that hard.
If it’s so easy why do so few make it to the top? And why are so few successful once they get there? Quit thinking that you know what you’re talking about because you watch on Saturdays. I’ve got a secret for you, they don’t pay people millions of dollars to do something easy.
Ok Midnighter and Ludd respectively, reading you two’s back and forth…both philosophical and mis communication is daunting….little referring as a great objective arbitrator…
coahcing isn’t easy at any level if doen right with consistency …play calling in CFB is almost quantum physics. Time and game management is easy…
Lastly, I almost used the Miles Sander play as an example…low probability Play call….that’s on Franklin if he knew the play which he 99% most likely Did.
To Ludds point on coach calls plays etc..up to the player to execute etc…yes if the player drops the ball its on the player…if the QB gets sacked it’s one of two things; missed block which is on the player or u shouldn’t have called the play to begin with since ur oline isn’t up to snuff or u didn’t max protect pick up the blitz hence on the coach.
And again it isn’t easy, why only a select few make the big money…but don’t think there aren’t at Least a dozen coaches you probably never heard of that could be better they just haven’t gotten the oppty…..all can’t be as lucky as Ryan Day
coahcing isn’t easy at any level if doen right with consistency …play calling in CFB is almost quantum physics. Time and game management is easy…
Lastly, I almost used the Miles Sander play as an example…low probability Play call….that’s on Franklin if he knew the play which he 99% most likely Did.
To Ludds point on coach calls plays etc..up to the player to execute etc…yes if the player drops the ball its on the player…if the QB gets sacked it’s one of two things; missed block which is on the player or u shouldn’t have called the play to begin with since ur oline isn’t up to snuff or u didn’t max protect pick up the blitz hence on the coach.
And again it isn’t easy, why only a select few make the big money…but don’t think there aren’t at Least a dozen coaches you probably never heard of that could be better they just haven’t gotten the oppty…..all can’t be as lucky as Ryan Day
Luck, timing, drive, effort. Right place right time. Willingness to do the job. Tell me - what qualifications or education must you have to get a job coaching football? And you’d be surprised what people will pay for anything, let alone coaching a kids game.
An in depth knowledge of the game, which most posters don’t have. Ability to evaluate talent, which most posters don’t have. There is far more to being a head coach than just X’s and O’s, which most posters know nothing about. Bottom line, it might look easy from the couch, but it’s a very difficult job and there are almost no coaches who can live up to the expectations of many fans. And please tell me who’s getting paid millions of dollars to do something that’s easy and anyone can do.
As to the question ... uh, few make it to the top, because there are few positions at the top. If a company has one spot for a "turd sniffer" and only one person is hired to be a "turd sniffer," then the fact that there are very few "turd sniffers" doesn't make the job hard.
Objectively smart people usually don't go into coaching. You usually don't flip a coin between becoming a neurosurgeon and a football coach for your career path. The folks I went to school with, who eventually became coaches ... on the intelligence range they fell somewhere between "dummy" and "average schmoe." Largely it's townies who didn't have anywhere else to go, and anything else to do. They've been successful coaches, for the most part. That general phenomenon doesn't change as you move up the ranks into college or pros. That's why you see the amazement when a guy with an Ivy-League education joins the coaching ranks ... and you also see the mocking of him by the meatheads. That's why you see a rebellion in baseball by "traditionalists" (i.e. dummies) against the new style of baseball, caused by all the "nerds" doing all that analysis and thinking and ****.
Put a bag over our heads first. In all seriousness, this thread should have been saved for after the game if necessary. Why throw water on the pregame excitement at this point. Go Lions.
Bottom line consensus irt Franklin - his record doesn’t reflect the caliber of talent he’s bringing in. That can be for a lot of different reasons, but ultimately, he deserves a huge pat on the back for his recruiting chops, but also should be held accountable for that talent's lack of development while they are here.
Right. Or be a coach’s son? Or are Brian Ferentz, Jay Paterno, Tommy Bowden, Lane Kiffin, etc. that much more experienced and qualified than others? It’s maybe play football, take an assistant job somewhere, and don’t suck. To the extent that coaching will only take you so far, see: Les Miles. Is he a worse coach now than he was when he won a NC at LSU? Franklin’s true talent is recruiting - that you can’t teach.
As to your last sentence, tell me you don’t know what ‘influencers’ are without telling me you don’t know what influencers are….
I’ll bet a neurosurgeon couldn’t coach football for ****. Someone doesn’t have to be book intelligent to be football intelligent. And your turd sniffer analogy makes no sense because there are a ton of coaches at lower levels trying to get to the top…it’s not like people are taking those positions because no one else wants them.
Yes, usually coach’s kids are more experienced than others because they grow up with it and are around it all the time. That means something. And most “influencers” don’t make that kind of money and the ones that do are doing something that the rest aren’t. So again, it’s not as easy as people think obviously or they all would be raking in millions just for starting a channel.
This is a very misguided opinion. Take off your blue and white glasses. Paterno was 2-9 vs Lloyd Carr, 3-6 vs Jim Tressel, and 3-8 vs Kirk Ferentz. That’s 8-23 vs those three conference coaches.
That neurosurgeon, if he played football, and watched it intently, could very likely become a great coach. "Being football intelligent" is very easy. There's not much to it. It's a simple game.
Yes, my "turd sniffer" analogy makes perfect sense because you were asking why more people didn't make it to the top if it was so easy ... der, because, by necessity, there are few people that can be there at the top. Otherwise, it wouldn't be the top. Similarly, if there's only 1 turd sniffer opening, there can't be many turd sniffers.
An old HS football coach ... dumb guy, generally (he was one of those meatheads who obtained his degree from some crap university and became a PE or history teacher) ... his teams performed poorly (both based on historical standards and based on the talent available to him) ... he ends up somehow getting a college job and has worked his way up to someone decently important in midlevel college football .. bouncing around between college and high school (many different jobs with varying levels of success, but lots of getting "fired") to get to that point. You just need to actually want to live that life (few do) and hang in there and get the right opportunity/know the right person, and you'll become a fairly successful coach, unless you're brain dead.
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The more people going for a smaller number of jobs, the better the ones who will actually get them will be. It’s pretty easy.
Very same thing Phil Grozc said this morning . Penn state is not very good and we are now being exposed badly . I fear we are never going to climb that mountain again , until changes are made .
Your close on some of those records , but you are right Joe had losing records against half the coaches in the conference , that is a fact , but always overlooked .
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