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All this fire Franklin stuff is just stupid. USC lost, Bama lost, ND lost - half of all the teams which played today lost. When OSU plays Michigan one of them will lose as well. Fire all of them, they didn’t do their jobs. You posters sound like children. Yeah Barbour missed a lot of tackles today - blame her. Oh I forgot - she made them at Purdue and Auburn.
It’s not the lose its the way it happened. This team looked unprepared. When you have 2 weeks to get ready for a game and play the way they played someone is to blame. This has happened many times over the Franklin years and the one constant is James Franklin. Coordinators have come and gone but he’s the only one that’s been here the whole time. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
 

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Why because he sucked at Carolina and one won championship in whatever league Temple played in? Franklin deserves the blame today for not having his team ready with a bye week to prepare but stop with the Rhule nonsense.
Ruhle will have his pick of whatever job he wants more than likely and did a little more than just Temple.
 
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I think it’s more about alumni and the fan base not being ok with mediocrity, not being ok with excuses upon excuses, not being ok with the participation ribbons…..
l have defended Franklin for years…he graduates the players and puts some into the NFL…all very, very important, but to see this team not put forth effort like expected yesterday is unacceptable. If anyone is ok with that, that’s not ok.
 

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If the lack of size in the defensive line, the offensive line and slow small linebackers is as glaring a problem to Franklin as it is to everyone else, why in nine years has he not done anything about it? Why do PS players tackle so poorly? Why don't PS players have basic HS football fundamental techniques? Frustrating beyond belief. 7.5 million a year for what??
Sit Sutherland and Elsdon. They are both slow and can't tackle or cover. Start Carter and Deluca.
 
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How bad did we get manhandled - to the tune of over 400+ on the ground. But here's the really disturbing part.

If you go back and watch Michigan's games against Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana, Michigan ran for around 160 to 170 yards against Iowa and Indiana (don't remember the exact numbers) and for around 240 on a supposedly terrible Maryland defense. But for the most part, those teams played well in the trenches against Michigan. Now rewatch our game - specifically the LOS. Just sickening 400+ yard rushing ? GTFO
This is an under-appreciated comment. What about all of those less than Top Ten teams know that we did not? Did they all recruit better than we did? Iowa is always an exception, but the rest are not exactly giant killers. We got bulldozed and had no answers.
 

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If the lack of size in the defensive line, the offensive line and slow small linebackers is as glaring a problem to Franklin as it is to everyone else, why in nine years has he not done anything about it? Why do PS players tackle so poorly? Why don't PS players have basic HS football fundamental techniques? Frustrating beyond belief. 7.5 million a year for what??
Soft and undisciplined.
 

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There’s no way Franklins current contract will get to the end of term. I don’t think Franklin is a good coach so I’m betting that Franklin will resign at the end of the 2025 season after not ever making the college football playoff. The pressure from the school and fans will be too much and he will realize his chance with #1 position recruits Allar/Singleton will be over. Franklin will find another job somewhere else.
This is what I have been saying. I’m one of the biggest Franklin fans out there, so this kind of hurts. He’s really smart and a good coach, but not what we need. He’s not an elite coach. Games like this absolutely cannot continue to happen. Im starting to change my opinion. I’m also pretty confident that things are going to get way worse the next 4 games. History has told us this. You think it’s bad now? Just wait. This loss could start the snowball effect. And yes he has a ridiculous buyout, but if we keep getting more of this and things get worse after about this year or next, the fans and media will make things really uncomfortable for him to be there. After which point Kraft might sit him down and say look you’re embarrassing the program. (Might be a strong choice of words given his high character, but you get get it). At that point, they will have to figure something out. Franklin getting boatload of cash either way.
 

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This is what I have been saying. I’m one of the biggest Franklin fans out there, so this kind of hurts. He’s really smart and a good coach, but not what we need. He’s not an elite coach. Games like this absolutely cannot continue to happen. Im starting to change my opinion. I’m also pretty confident that things are going to get way worse the next 4 games. History has told us this. You think it’s bad now? Just wait. This loss could start the snowball effect. And yes he has a ridiculous buyout, but if we keep getting more of this and things get worse after about this year or next, the fans and media will make things really uncomfortable for him to be there. After which point Kraft might sit him down and say look you’re embarrassing the program. (Might be a strong choice of words given his high character, but you get get it). At that point, they will have to figure something out. Franklin getting boatload of cash either way.
Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
 

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Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
Appreciate your insights.
 

Stephen Light

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Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
From what I remember it goes down in increments of $8 million per year. So, the AD has a long way to wait for that bag of cash to decrease.
 

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Franklin is very sensitive and defensive, if in 2023 they lose a few games early and the white out is mostly the opposing teams colors, and the media and fans turn on Franklin a bit, he'll feel it in his bones. Franklin is a good man, but he's soft. He'll be ready to leave and blame the university somehow. Get a nice little HC job at Arizona or Oregon state or something. He'll be ready to negotiate.
 

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From what I remember it goes down in increments of $8 million per year. So, the AD has a long way to wait for that bag of cash to decrease.

wonder if the AD has some say in redefining his role? Restrict him to recruiting and have the coordinators run the game.
 

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If the lack of size in the defensive line, the offensive line and slow small linebackers is as glaring a problem to Franklin as it is to everyone else, why in nine years has he not done anything about it? Why do PS players tackle so poorly? Why don't PS players have basic HS football fundamental techniques? Frustrating beyond belief. 7.5 million a year for what??

didnt Illinois run for a bazillion yards on us last year in that 30 overtimes game? And our OL couldn’t get any push against Villanova, a IAA program. You would have thought he would have figured that out then.
 

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This is an under-appreciated comment. What about all of those less than Top Ten teams know that we did not? Did they all recruit better than we did? Iowa is always an exception, but the rest are not exactly giant killers. We got bulldozed and had no answers.
Yep, not taking anything away from Michigan, they're a very good football team but how could lesser (supposedly) talented teams (Maryland, Indy and Iowa) figure it out and stand toe to toe with them in the trenches and they just waste us. Obviously, there are other issues going on
 
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Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
At what point will unhappy fans start to have uncomfortable verbal exchanges with Franklin in downtown State College?
 

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Any chance one of the schools that currently have openings would try to lure him away? Like ASU? Could any afford the buyout? I am well aware this is probably a very dumb question but admittedly I am not very up to date with how all that works.
 

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Franklin is very sensitive and defensive, if in 2023 they lose a few games early and the white out is mostly the opposing teams colors, and the media and fans turn on Franklin a bit, he'll feel it in his bones. Franklin is a good man, but he's soft. He'll be ready to leave and blame the university somehow. Get a nice little HC job at Arizona or Oregon state or something. He'll be ready to negotiate.
Franklin would make a great studio analyst or game commentator. He speaks well and projects a good image. Could he pull an Urban Meyer and just leave with some sort of settlement, saying that there's too much pressure in the game? My gut says that the fans will not pressure him and the university won't either, and he stays - most likely to the end of the contract.
 

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Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
Penn State could afford to pay “victims” then they can find a way to afford the buyout.

They could start by impounding Sandy’s pension and cancelling Onion Dip’s consulting contract.
 

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Penn State could afford to pay “victims” then they can find a way to afford the buyout.

They could start by impounding Sandy’s pension and cancelling Onion Dip’s consulting contract.

sell the artifacts in the new art museum
 
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Will MY get any heat for this performance? As much as we complain about Franklin he seems to be the CEO asking his guys to do their jobs. Franklin fired KC for MY and I am not sure what advantage he has brought to PSU. MY’s offense looks predicable and slow. Zero use of the TE’s, fades that never work, etc. Very unimaginative after a bye week and a second year in his system.
are we sure MY is setting the offensive game plan and calling the plays?
This mediocre offense - other than the moorhead years, though donovan, rahne, cirrocola (sp) and now my has one common factor - frankin. Might be a coincidence but i don't know
 
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It continues to be unfathomable to me that with all of Penn State's resources, the myriad of recruits, the coaching changes, the money spent on strength equipment... Franklin keeps putting out these weak, ineffectual offensive lines over and over again. Can they ask Munchak to come and just review and overhaul how they develop offensive linemen?
 

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are we sure MY is setting the offensive game plan and calling the plays?
This mediocre offense - other than the moorhead years, though donovan, rahne, cirrocola (sp) and now my has one common factor - frankin. Might be a coincidence but i don't know
Wikipedia (not always a definitive source but a good first stop) calls Franklin the "head football coach" at Penn State. That said, if the man really is the coach, then he's in charge and the buck should stop with him.

Personally, I have never bought the idea of a "CEO" type coach, I think that is ridiculous. The coach should coach. He can and should delegate details to the OC and DC and let them go from there, but the overall strategy and preparation is something the HC should dictate. And, of course, as we've seen, if the OC and DC look good they'll be pulled away for HC jobs and you have no consistency or continuity.

And this habit of a loss after a bye week speaks volumes. The last three bye week losses were Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan State. I could see it if it was always OSU after a bye week but those three teams aren't Murderer's Row. It speaks to poor preparation, squandering valuable available time to plan and improve.
 
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From what I remember it goes down in increments of $8 million per year. So, the AD has a long way to wait for that bag of cash to decrease.
Here's how obscene Franklin's guaranteed buyout terms are.

2022: $72 million
2023: $64 million
2024: $56 million
2025: $48 million
2026: $40 million
2027: $32 million
2028: $24 million
2029: $16 million
2030: $ 8 million

As a point of comparison, Paul Chryst was under contract until Jan. 2027 and had appx $20 million of remaining compensation. He and Wisky recently negotiated a reduced buyout amount of $11 million.
 
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Will MY get any heat for this performance? As much as we complain about Franklin he seems to be the CEO asking his guys to do their jobs. Franklin fired KC for MY and I am not sure what advantage he has brought to PSU. MY’s offense looks predicable and slow. Zero use of the TE’s, fades that never work, etc. Very unimaginative after a bye week and a second year in his system.

For some unknown reason, all these OC's come to PSU and it seems that "the fade" becomes one of their favorite plays. It hasn't worked for what seems like a decade. Wonder if that's Franklin's finger print?
 
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For me, the worst part of a “game” like this is the freshman. What must they be thinking now?? How many other schools start whispering in their ears about the piss poor development of the big uglys at Penn State. If the season really goes sideways, you can bet some of the younger players are going to look for greener pastures.
 

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Would someone in the press ask him if he is stealing from PS given what he puts on the field?
 
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For me, the worst part of a “game” like this is the freshman. What must they be thinking now?? How many other schools start whispering in their ears about the piss poor development of the big uglys at Penn State. If the season really goes sideways, you can bet some of the younger players are going to look for greener pastures.

It's not just the lineman though. Look at Allar... all of a sudden he's throwing these wobbly floaters all over the place. Strange has gotten better and J. Brown, who else?
 

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Will MY get any heat for this performance? As much as we complain about Franklin he seems to be the CEO asking his guys to do their jobs. Franklin fired KC for MY and I am not sure what advantage he has brought to PSU. MY’s offense looks predicable and slow. Zero use of the TE’s, fades that never work, etc. Very unimaginative after a bye week and a second year in his system.

I personally don't care about any coordinators - the head coach should have complete freedom to assemble his staff any way he sees fit. If the team or an aspect isn't performing it comes back squarely to the head coach.
 
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Don't see it playing out that way. If PSU football descends into mediocrity or worse, which is not a given, the discussion will go one way. That will occur when PSU can afford the contractual buyout. Nothing will happen before then because Franklin's coaching career at this level will be effectively over.
I think after the 2026 season is the earliest this can happen due to the incompetent dollars Sandy committed after last year.

If ever there was a time to call timeout and re-evaluate before doling out a “lifetime contract,” it was last season.

Instead, we made the same incompetent mistake that desperate programs make. It didn’t have to be this way.
 

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At what point will unhappy fans start to have uncomfortable verbal exchanges with Franklin in downtown State College?
That could happen, but I don't see him leaving for anything less than a full payout of his remaining contract under any circumstances.
 
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GrimReaper

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Penn State could afford to pay “victims” then they can find a way to afford the buyout.

They could start by impounding Sandy’s pension and cancelling Onion Dip’s consulting contract.
Interesting part of that saga is that the Athletic Department was put on the hook fro the $60mm NCAA fine. That lasted a year, maybe two and it disappeared from its books. So much for a "self-sustaining" Athletic Department. And make no mistake, the money for this comes from tuition dollars. Limp Rod got one thing right.
 

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That could happen, but I don't see him leaving for anything less than a full payout of his remaining contract under any circumstances.
He’s a very savvy coach in terms of the business side of the game. He 100% pushed for the 10-year deal as his golden parachute with a new President and AD coming in.

What drives me nuts is that Sandy didn’t have to give him this contract. It wasn’t her right as someone on her way out. She owed Kraft the right to make that decision.
 
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Interesting part of that saga is that the Athletic Department was put on the hook fro the $60mm NCAA fine. That lasted a year, maybe two and it disappeared from its books. So much for a "self-sustaining" Athletic Department. And make no mistake, the money for this comes from tuition dollars. Limp Rod got one thing right.
Fungibles.
 

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Fungibles.
 

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That could happen, but I don't see him leaving for anything less than a full payout of his remaining contract under any circumstances.
He has a pretty cush gig right now. He’s making $8 million a year to deliver 8-9 wins. No other major program would be happy with those results at that comp level.

There’s zero incentive for him to leave. He’d work twice as hard for half the job security elsewhere.
 
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Maybe it is just me but the excuses come every year
First excuse- Sanctions. OLine thin in numbers. Totally agree spot on
Second excuse- need more money for assistance coaches.
Third excuse- facilities / weight room we are behind the big boys
Fourth excuse. Single room dorms could cost us recruits.
Yesterday- everyone wants to play lighter like Arron Donald need to be bigger. He Recruits these guys he is in charge of where they play and what they need to do to play. Are the players dictating to him on what they will play and at what weight.

Every year or two it is a new excuse and yesterdays excuse he had total control over starting with who he recruits.
 
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