From Ross Dellenger on scholarships

[MStateDawg]

what's the rationale for increasing football rosters to 105 and hopefully most ADs/University Presidents aren't supporting that move. I realize the advantage for the top 10 or so programs for what about the remaining 50 or so programs?

The legal settlement the NCAA is going thru is going to negate schools’ abilities to limit financial benefits, thus the only way to cap it is with roster limits. No more partial scholships. No more walkons. Each sport can now give full scholarships up to each sport’s roster limit.

 

[tired]

Players want to play & make it to the league. Initially they may see the bright lights of Bama, GA, LSU, etc, but in their minds, they can't make it to the league sitting on the bench.

Also an offer from a blue blood means they're worth $$$, or so the player will believe. The BBs can't pay millions to 100 players. Some will transfer, some will see the depth chart and say nah. It'll course correct.

Don't discount Jeff Lebby. He knows the game as well as anyone & will prepare thoroughly for the new landscape.

I do ask though, is this sustainable with the boosters? A lot of new players, a lot more money.

 

[onewoof]

USM is gonna be mad at us.

how can USM survive without TV revenue in this NIL world. Sunbelt and the like will be equivalent to JUCO.

 

[Yeti]

Do you have to be at 105? Maybe you stay at 85 and pay more NIL money to a smaller number ?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Do you have to be at 105? Maybe you stay at 85 and pay more NIL money to a smaller number ?

Up to the school

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The baseball D1 is about to shrink big time.

More than ever before, we need to constantly be raiding the upper class benchwarmers are the blue blood football programs. There will be more talent there now.

I honestly don’t know what prompted the “commissioners” to do this. Seems like a lot more expense. Guess it’s something about that settlement that I don’t understand.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yeah, and I'm just re-quoting what I read in an article a few months ago, but the piece that I remember reading about Title IX is that it is 100% focused on equal "opportunity" to play rather than any kind of pay/NIL equality. Therefore, what I took from it is that as long as women are still able to receive the same ability to participate in college sports by way of scholarship, Title IX doesn't say a word about any form of payment beyond that. Of course, it was also written well before this became a thing, so who knows what might change with it in the future

I guess the weird thing to me about this recent scholarship increase ruling, though, is that even without getting into NIL, it's like the NCAA has just thrown Title IX's equal scholarship legislation out the window. Makes me wonder if one of the unwritten repercussions of the recent settlement ruling was that Title IX itself was in fact illegal. It has 100% limited certain individuals' ability to get a scholarship over the years

Title IX doesn't say a word about the ability to participate in college sports by way of scholarship either. And it explicitly says that disparate treatment isn't required because of an imbalance.

Basically everything anybody thinks they know about Title IX is not really something in or required by the statue that is Title IX. The vast majority of what people think of as "Title IX" is just rules made up by bureaucrats. Some of it is pretty consistent with the statute. A lot of it (most of it?) is them just taking Title IX as a mandate to legislate "fairness" without regard to the language in the statute.

 

[ckDOG]

105 is insane

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Because very rarely will players with a Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tenn, Texas, Oklahoma or Auburn scholarship offer choose another school not in that group, so those teams will now collectively taking 160 players a year that would have otherwise gone to State, ole miss, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. and been the best signees of the class. That's a lot of additional talent being kept with the top programs.

Plus it gives those teams 23.5% more room for error in evaluations, which is significant (though probably less so with the portal).

It also gives them more depth. Yes, it gives us more depth too, but our depth is now going to be guys that would have otherwise gone to Tulane, Memphis or ULL. Their depth will be guys like Bookie Watson, DeRunnya Wilson, Beniquez Brown, Jamar Chaney, Josh Robinson, etc. who were right on the fringe of getting offers from preferred schools but instead dropped to us.

That's how Bear Bryant won so many championships at Bama. Back then, he could sign as many as he wanted. And he did. Just to keep them from signing with someone who might slip up and beat him. We have idiots running the NCAA

 

[Ranchdawg]

Why RIP MSU Football?

Because Bear Bryant and the other big $ schools filled scholarships with players we and other recruited. As a result the NCAA cut the numbers to even the field. I guess ESPN wants the cash cows to stay in power.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

how can USM survive without TV revenue in this NIL world. Sunbelt and the like will be equivalent to JUCO.

JUCO ain’t even equivalent to JUCO anymore.

 

[mcdawg22]

For all of the transport portal haters. You’d better be glad we have it now. If you think the blue bloods can stockpile now, just imagine how worse it would be with the threat of players having to sit out a year.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Does this mean LSU & Vandy no longer have baseball advantages?

No, it just means they'll find a way to carry 50 players.

 

[Irondawg]

Football should have been around 75 scholarhips - maybe 80. Baseball probably should have been 25-30. Basketball fine at 15 and then would be nice to add men's soccer more nationally but I know not everyone agrees with that.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Football should have been around 75 scholarhips - maybe 80. Baseball probably should have been 25-30. Basketball fine at 15 and then would be nice to add men's soccer more nationally but I know not everyone agrees with that.

Truth. Makes you wonder how the “commissioners” won the vote on this. I can’t imagine anyone outside of 15-20 teams wanted it. I’m guessing the blue bloods put pressure on the others in their conference to vote for it. It’s going to accelerate the move to a P5-only division.

 

[Xenomorph]

Yo, Vandy Boys…

 

[maroonmania]

I'm pretty much done with college football. They just keep doing things to make the least competitive major sport out there less competitive. This is like rolling college football back 60 years to the Bear Bryant days of player hoarding. Tell you what, lets just let the top 15 to 20 blue blood schools play football and everyone else can just find something else to do in the Fall.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I'm pretty much done with college football. They just keep doing things to make the least competitive major sport out there less competitive. This is like rolling college football back 60 years to the Bear Bryant days of player hoarding. Tell you what, lets just let the top 15 to 20 blue blood schools play football and everyone else can just find something else to do in the Fall.

They are eventually going to try and take on the NFL - and they will get their asssses beat. At that time, perhaps this thing retracts back a little bit.

They like to play like this money coming in to these schools is big time......the NFL pays that level of money to single players.

 

[pseudonym]

Can someone explain the argument for increasing football scholarships from 85 to 105? Who was asking for that?

Every team already has scholarship players who can't get snaps and jump in the portal. The already bonkers transfer portal is about to go berserk.

 

[Anon1669338224]

Because blue-bloods can stockpile talented players that were forced to sign elsewhere before. We will miss out on signing a ton of MS players due to this and will have to raid 'lesser' schools for their talent.

We will eventually get some back with the portal for playing time.

 

[onewoof]

Great advice from a friend: only casually watch the games only, and disengage from all the pre-season talk, NIL talk, portal talk, DUI talk,game week talk, post game talk, etc. It's kind of like watching an NFL team that you really just loosely follow.

 

[johnson86-1]

Can someone explain the argument for increasing football scholarships from 85 to 105? Who was asking for that?

Every team already has scholarship players who can't get snaps and jump in the portal. The already bonkers transfer portal is about to go berserk.

I think the argument for the bluebloods is that it will further cement their advantages. I think the justification that will be used publicly is that it shows that more money is going back to the players in one of the two sports that generates the vast majority of the margins. Also probably part of the justification is that it increases opportunities for all players to get an education rather than just increasing the pay to the top players?

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I don’t believe TOPPS scholarships (Lootie) are still a thing, though. Could be wrong.

They were when Stanley Bertman was building LSU to a national power and that has absolutely carried on into the present.

 

[Dawgg]

Here’s the full list of new roster limits:

Sport	Sex	Old limit	New limit	Increase
Tumbling	Women	14	55	41
Baseball	Men	11.7	34	22.3
Basketball	Men	13	15	2
Basketball	Women	15	15	0
Beach volleyball	Women	6	19	13
Bowling	Women	5	11	6
Cross country	Men	5	17	12
Cross country	Women	6	17	11
Equestrian	Women	15	50	35
Fencing	Men	4.5	24	19.5
Fencing	Women	5	24	19
Field hockey	Women	12	27	15
Football	Men	85	105	20
Golf	Men	4.5	9	4.5
Golf	Women	6	9	3
Gym	Men	6.3	20	13.7
Gym	Women	12	20	8
Ice hockey	Men	18	26	8
Ice hockey	Women	18	26	8
Track	Men	12.6	45	35.4
Track	Women	18	45	27
Lacrosse	Men	12.6	48	35.4
Lacrosse	Women	12	38	26
Rifle	Both	3.6	12	8.4
Rowing	Women	20	68	48
Skiing	Men	6.3	16	9.7
Skiing	Women	7	16	9
Soccer	Men	9.9	28	18.1
Soccer	Women	14	28	14
Softball	Women	12	25	13
Stunt	Both	14	65	51
Swim	Men	9.9	30	20.1
Swim	Women	14	30	16
Tennis	Men	4.5	10	5.5
Tennis	Women	8	10	2
Triathlon	Women	6.5	14	7.5
Volleyball	Men	4.5	18	13.5
Volleyball	Women	12	18	6
Water polo	Men	4.5	24	19.5
Water polo	Women	8	24	16
Wrestling	Men	9.9	30	20.1
Wrestling	Women	10	30	20

 

[dawgstudent]

How does increase in scholarships affect the bottom line for tuition and bulldog club? What are we talking about - 150 more scholarships overall?

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

How does increase in scholarships affect the bottom line for tuition and bulldog club? What are we talking about - 150 more scholarships overall?

That’s what I was wondering, Track and Field, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Softball all at least doubled on scholarships.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Can someone explain the argument for increasing football scholarships from 85 to 105? Who was asking for that?

Every team already has scholarship players who can't get snaps and jump in the portal. The already bonkers transfer portal is about to go berserk.

It doesn’t appear that anyone can answer this.

It appears to me just a power move by the P4/whatever. And it’s going to result in less overall spots throughout college sports, because only big ones will fund most of this. Good for the elite, but the middle and lower class will melt away.

Did we mention that the enrollment cliff is coming? There’s a storm on the horizon for college athletics. Reminds me of 2005/2006 with the housing bubble.

The leaders in charge are absolute idiots.

 

[Dawgg]

How does increase in scholarships affect the bottom line for tuition and bulldog club? What are we talking about - 150 more scholarships overall?

BSB - 22.3
MBK - 2
WBK - 0
FB - 20
WG - 3
MG - 4.5
WSOC - 14
SB - 13
MT - 5.5
WT - 2
WVB - 6
WCC - 11
MTF - 35.4
WTF - 27

Total: 165.7 (though I think Cross Country and Track & Field might overlap?)

 

[onewoof]

We need to add 50 equestrian

 

[The Cooterpoot]

It's not a requirement to go to that limit, and we likely will not. Also, the NCAA is not going to be around much longer, so all of this is going to change.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It's not a requirement to go to that limit, and we likely will not. Also, the NCAA is not going to be around much longer, so all of this is going to change.

We’re going to do whatever the SEC tells us to do. As far as football and basketball.

We better fund baseball. All I will say about that.

 

[idog]

This follows the simple rule of a capitalistic society: those that got gets.

I understand piling more into the money making sport but the majority of football fans are tired of the lack of parity. The disdain for NIL is an example of that. This will amplify it. We will get raided by bigger programs annually. They will not use those 20 scholarships for high school kids.

I would rather see the addition of D1 men’s soccer to the SEC.

 

[Dawgg]

This follows the simple rule of a capitalistic society: those that got gets.

I understand piling more into the money making sport but the majority of football fans are tired of the lack of parity. The disdain for NIL is an example of that. This will amplify it. We will get raided by bigger programs annually. They will not use those 20 scholarships for high school kids.

I would rather see the addition of D1 men’s soccer to the SEC.

The majority of football fans are still watching each week and in some weeks in record numbers. They’re just not vocal on this message board or the Twitter accounts you’re following. SEC D1 men’s soccer would set the record for the lowest rated and least attended sport in the conference because it occurs during football season.

 

[maroonmania]

This follows the simple rule of a capitalistic society: those that got gets.

I understand piling more into the money making sport but the majority of football fans are tired of the lack of parity. The disdain for NIL is an example of that. This will amplify it. We will get raided by bigger programs annually. They will not use those 20 scholarships for high school kids.

I would rather see the addition of D1 men’s soccer to the SEC.

Football will make the same exact money whether each team has 75 scholarships or 105 scholarships. In fact, having 20 extra scholarships to fund in football just makes it that much harder to fund all the additional scholarships in the non-revenue sports.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We better fund baseball. All I will say about that.

Better raise ticket and Lounge prices.

 

[outsidedawg]

It seems like all of the sports are decreasing roster size to a hard limit, but allowing scholarships optionally up to that limit (ie 105 for football or 28 for soccer). In soccer’s case, that means you’ve got to cut roster down to 28 by Fall of 25. And schools then have to figure out which sports will get the full allowance of scholarships. Obviously we will fund 105 in football, but will be interesting to see what happens in other sports across the country. Do you think this will be something out in the open? Will we know if State is offering the full allotment in each sport (ie increasing soccer scholarships from 14 to 28, or other non-revenue sports? Will schools close non-revenue men’s sports to allow them to close non-revenue women’s sports for title IX purposes?

 

[travis.sixpack]

what's the rationale for increasing football rosters to 105 and hopefully most ADs/University Presidents aren't supporting that move. I realize the advantage for the top 10 or so programs for what about the remaining 50 or so programs?

From what Ross said in his podcasts, conference commissioners added it because of potential lawsuits from walk-on players. It could have been worse - the SEC and Big 10 wanted *120* scholarship slots, but they compromised at 105. The only saving grace is unlimited transfers- there’s only 11 players on the field at once and you’ll have scholarship players buried on the depth chart or just not getting the PT they want who will move on.

 

[travis.sixpack]

Do you have to be at 105? Maybe you stay at 85 and pay more NIL money to a smaller number ?

Walkons are eliminated so you’ll need extra players for scout team, etc.

 

[travis.sixpack]

No, it just means they'll find a way to carry 50 players.

Can’t. The scholarship limit is the roster cap.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

From what Ross said in his podcasts, conference commissioners added it because of potential lawsuits from walk-on players. It could have been worse - the SEC and Big 10 wanted *120* scholarship slots, but they compromised at 105. The only saving grace is unlimited transfers- there’s only 11 players on the field at once and you’ll have scholarship players buried on the depth chart or just not getting the PT they want who will move on.

MSU will absolutely need to live in that space.