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LOL. I've been on the receiving end in the opposite direction (someone says to me "didn't you go to Penn?").
 

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Not Penn State since 1740

I always chuckle when I see anyone reference 1740 as the start of Penn.

If you investigate the history of Penn, it all started in 1749, when Benjamin Franklin presented a proposal for a school to be called "Public Academy of Philadelphia" in a pamphlet he wrote and published, Proposals Relating to the Education of Youth in Pensilvania.

The proposal was well received, and Franklin assembled a group of leading citizens of Philadelphia to serve on the board of trustees of the Academy. James Logan, a city leader at the time, offered the board for free a plot of land he owned that was across the street from the State House (which is now known as Independence Hall).

The board and Franklin liked the idea of free land, but they were concerned that it would take too long to erect a building and get the Academy up and running. So they also looked around for a building they could purchase.

In 1740, George Whitefield, an ordained Anglican cleric, traveled to North America, and gave a number of outdoor sermons. These sermons/revivals came to be known as the Great Awakening. In response, a group of Philadelphians in 1740 constructed in the city, at 4th & Arch, a preaching hall for George Whitefield. It was, at the time, the largest building in the city. The plan when they started the construction was that the building(s) would serve as a chapel and a charity school (remember that minor detail). However, due to a shortfall of funds, construction of the buildings never got close to what had been planned.

The board of trustees of the Public Academy of Philadelphia learned that there were still a great deal of construction debts owed on the preaching hall. They approached those that had built the hall, and on Feb. 1, 1750, in exchange for assuming the construction debts, they took possession of the hall as well as the inactive trusts (remember this detail) of the group that built the hall.

Sometime between Franklin's proposal in 1749 and the board of trustees taking possession of the former preaching hall in 1750, the name of the school was changed to "Academy of Philadelphia." On August 13, 1751, the first students attended the school -- they were what we would in modern times call middle school and high school students.

In June of 1755, the College of Philadelphia was chartered. At this point, the original school was the Academy for secondary students whose families paid for their instruction, a charity school which provided free education to secondary students, and the College which provided instruction for what we'd now call undergraduates. The board of trustees for the three schools were the same, as it was all considered the same educational institution.

In 1779, during the Revolutionary War, the Pennsylvania Legislature created the University of the State of Pennsylvania. In essence, they took over the College of Philadelphia because they felt that the provost of the College, Rev. William Smith, was a loyalist. Smith fought this action, and continued to run a College of Philadelphia while the University of the State of Pennsylvania was also starting. For several years, there was a college and a university, with separate boards. In 1791, the Pennsylvania Legislature issued a new charter for the schools, which merged the two schools and changed the name to the University of Pennsylvania. To ensure that both schools bought in to this action, the legislature set the new board of trustees to be composed of 12 men from Smith's College of Philadelphia board and 12 men from the University of the State of Pennsylvania board.

So what did Penn set up as its founding date? 1751, when the Academy of Philadelphia accepted their first students? 1755, when the College of Philadelphia was chartered? No, it decided to set its founding as 1750, when the board of the Academy of Philadelphia took possession of their first building and grounds.

All was well and good with 1750 as the founding, but within 10-20 years, Penn started claiming its origin was in 1749, when Franklin published his pamphlet and a board of trustees was set up. Penn used this date as its origin for more than 100 years.

In 1896, Penn's General Alumni Society started to advocate for moving back the date of Penn's founding. Their major motivation -- to be able to claim that they were older than Princeton, which was chartered in 1746 as the College of New Jersey. Penn's alumni organization kept up their campaign, and in 1899 Penn's board of trustees voted to change their founding to 1740. Where did they pull that date from? The earliest "inactive trusts" for the "charity school" component of the preaching hall built for George Whitefield were established in 1740.

I think Penn is a great university. Several members of my family, and several friends of mine, have attended it. I've been on the campus dozens of time, and think Penn is one of the best educational institutions in the country. However, as someone that 1) is interested in 18th century history, with a sub-interest in the Philadelphia region in that time, and 2) someone that is a stickler for being historically accurate, I always chuckle when I see Penn, or anyone speaking for or wearing clothes about, referencing their origin as 1740. I just don't think there is any legitimate basis for Penn's use of 1740 as their origin.
 

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I always chuckle when I see anyone reference 1740 as the start of Penn.

If you investigate the history of Penn, it all started in 1749, when Benjamin Franklin presented a proposal for a school to be called "Public Academy of Philadelphia" in a pamphlet he wrote and published, Proposals Relating to the Education of Youth in Pensilvania.

The proposal was well received, and Franklin assembled a group of leading citizens of Philadelphia to serve on the board of trustees of the Academy. James Logan, a city leader at the time, offered the board for free a plot of land he owned that was across the street from the State House (which is now known as Independence Hall).

The board and Franklin liked the idea of free land, but they were concerned that it would take too long to erect a building and get the Academy up and running. So they also looked around for a building they could purchase.

In 1740, George Whitefield, an ordained Anglican cleric, traveled to North America, and gave a number of outdoor sermons. These sermons/revivals came to be known as the Great Awakening. In response, a group of Philadelphians in 1740 constructed in the city, at 4th & Arch, a preaching hall for George Whitefield. It was, at the time, the largest building in the city. The plan when they started the construction was that the building(s) would serve as a chapel and a charity school (remember that minor detail). However, due to a shortfall of funds, construction of the buildings never got close to what had been planned.

The board of trustees of the Public Academy of Philadelphia learned that there were still a great deal of construction debts owed on the preaching hall. They approached those that had built the hall, and on Feb. 1, 1750, in exchange for assuming the construction debts, they took possession of the hall as well as the inactive trusts (remember this detail) of the group that built the hall.

Sometime between Franklin's proposal in 1749 and the board of trustees taking possession of the former preaching hall in 1750, the name of the school was changed to "Academy of Philadelphia." On August 13, 1751, the first students attended the school -- they were what we would in modern times call middle school and high school students.

In June of 1755, the College of Philadelphia was chartered. At this point, the original school was the Academy for secondary students whose families paid for their instruction, a charity school which provided free education to secondary students, and the College which provided instruction for what we'd now call undergraduates. The board of trustees for the three schools were same, as it was all considered the same educational institution.

In 1779, during the Revolutionary War, the Pennsylvania Legislature created the University of the State of Pennsylvania. In essence, they took over the College of Philadelphia because they felt that the provost of the College, Rev. William Smith, was a loyalist. Smith fought this action, and continued to run a College of Philadelphia while the University of the State of Pennsylvania was also starting. For several years, there was a college and a university, with separate boards. In 1791, the Pennsylvania University issued a new charter for the schools, which merged the two schools and changed the name to the University of Pennsylvania. To ensure that both schools bought in to this action, the legislature set the new board of trustees to be composed of 12 men from Smith's College of Philadelphia board and 12 men from the University of the State of Pennsylvania board.

So what did Penn set up as its founding date? 1751 when the Academy of Philadelphia accepted their first students? 1755 when the College of Philadelphia was chartered? No, it decided to set its founding as 1750, when the board of the Academy of Philadelphia took possession of their first building and grounds.

All was well and good with 1750 as the founding, but within 10-20 years, Penn started claiming its origin was in 1749, when Franklin published his pamphlet and a board of trustees was set up. Penn used this date as its origin for more than 100 years.

In 1896, Penn's General Alumni Society started to advocate for moving back the date of Penn's founding. Their major motivation -- to be able to claim that they were older than Princeton, which was chartered in 1746 as the College of New Jersey. Penn's alumni organization kept up their campaign, and in 1899 Penn's board of trustees voted to change their founding to 1740. Where did they pull that date from? The earliest "inactive trusts" for the "charity school" component of the preaching hall built George Whitefield were established in 1740.

I think Penn is a great university. Several members of my family, and several friends of mine, have attended it. I've been on the campus dozens of time, and think Penn is one of the best educational institutions in the country. However, as someone that 1) is interested in 18th century history, with a sub-interest in the Philadelphia region in that time, and 2) someone that is a stickler for being historically accurate, I always chuckle when I see Penn, or anyone speaking for or wearing clothes about, referencing their origin as 1740. I just don't think there is any legitimate basis for Penn's use of 1740 as their origin.
Great read Tom. Never knew the history. What was the location of the merged institution in 1791, and when did they move to the west side of the Schuylkill?
 

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So one end of the Commonwealth we have a school that lies about how old it is, on the other side we have a school that lies about their football titles, and everywhere in between we had politicians and media lying about the school in the middle.

Good times.
 

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when did they move to the west side of the Schuylkill?

that's easier to answer. The Woodlands was a huge country estate of William Hamilton. The City of Philadelphia purchased a large chunk of it (187 acres, +/-) in 1829. At that time, Philadelphia was separate from Philadelphia County. Most of what is now known as West Philadelphia, a neighborhood or region of Philadelphia, was Blockely Township, part of Philadelphia County, in 1829. (Philadelphia didn't expand to encompass all of Philadelphia county until 1852.)

The City of Philadelphia had purchased the large portion of Woodlands in 1829 to house their alms houses. Before that, the city had a single alms house on Spruce Street (between 10th & 11th). After purchasing the Woodlands lands, the city built a men's alms house, a women's alms house, a hospital, and a building for public works (for the poor) on the Woodlands lands.

In 1852, after the city expanded to include all of the county, the buildings at the former Woodlands quickly were overwhelmed by all the additional citizens of the city. In 1862, the Pennsylvania Legislature passed legislation which allowed Philadelphia to sell the 187 acres and to use the funds from the sale to build new and larger housing and health care facilities for the sick and the poor. (You'll see below how much of the former Woodlands was sold to Penn. Another chunk of it became The Woodlands -- a cemetery in West Philadelphia.)

In 1869, Philadelphia's City Council passed legislation to allow the city to sell nearly 10 acres of the former Woodlands property to the University of Pennsylvania. In early 1870, Penn's board of trustees authorized the purchase for @ $8,000 an acre. That was the start of Penn moving to its current campus. In the coming years, the city would sell additional parts of the Woodlands property to Penn. By 1894, Penn had purchased nearly 49 acres of the former Woodlands property for their current campus.

What was the location of the merged institution in 1791

hmm, I don't know that one off the top of my head. If I recall correctly, the University of the State of Pennsylvania took over the College of Philadelphia property on 4th & Arch after the University was established in 1779. I don't recall where the competing/alternative College of Philadelphia held classes.

I didn't mention in my prior post that when the university and the college were competing after 1779, the college provost, William Smith, and the board of the college, filed numerous lawsuits against the Commonwealth for their 1779 actions. In 1789, they were successful, and the Commonwealth restored the College of Philadelphia's charter. As such, from 1789 until the forced merger in 1791, the college and the university were both legally chartered.

I'll have to dig around to see if I can find the answer to where the location of the campus in and after the 1791 merger.
 

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So....Penn State can claim that the University Park campus is older than the University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia campus ;)
 
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So one end of the Commonwealth we have a school that lies about how old it is, on the other side we have a school that lies about their football titles, and everywhere in between we had politicians and media lying about the school in the middle.

Good times.
At one time Pitt called itself the Western University of Pennsylvania. No doubt they just mumbled through the first word so all anyone heard was “University of Pennsylvania”.
 
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I had a Russian coworker for years at PSU who, when he applied to our office thought he was applying to Penn. His family all lived in the Phila area and he had only recently arrived in the US. Wasn’t until we called him to come up to interview that he realized that we were a totally different university and no where near Phila. He was a great programmer and a really fun guy so all worked out but we laughed about his confusion many times.
 

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Yesterday I flew back to PHL from SJU (San Juan) and I decided to wear a polo shirt and khaki shorts instead of wearing a PSU or Phillies shirt for the first time in memory. I think I'm getting old.
 
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We've all been there, no doubt.... unknowledgeable guy who claims to know lots about everything would ask why Penn State is playing Cornell or Dartmouth in football. Explaining that it is Penn who is playing those schools would often bring on a smug, confident, "same thing". I used to say, well, sort of like Florida and Florida State are the same, or North Carolina and NC State are the same. They're not. Confused, irritated look given in response.
I have no doubt that Ohio and Ohio State get the same treatment, where the distinction between Fla. State and Florida, e.g., seems to come easily.

Good friend of mine from HS played football at Penn (mid-late 70s). Big guy, OLineman. People would ask him where he played, and then after he would say "Penn", he would get asked about Joe Paterno. Because Rip and Joe denied his Dad a scholarship to PSU back in the 50s, after his Dad "got a knee", his Dad and he just hated PSU. So he was pissed that he would have to explain the difference. We are still good friends, and he tells me that now and then when the topic comes up with people he has just met, he still gets asked about playing for JoePa. I tell him (jokingly) he should just roll with it. He's loyal to Harry Gamble, who was his coach at Penn, as he should be.
 
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  • I used to work in the PSU Arch & LArch library for years and about every other year we would get a phone or email question for information on one of our campus buildings only to discover that they were actually looking for a UPenn building. Further complicating the issue is that Charles Klauder designed a lot of buildings at both schools
  • In 1997, the PSU Jazz Club brought T.S. Monk & his band to play at the HUB. TS came in a few days earlier to do some classes with the School of Music. Come showtime, everyone is waiting and waiting for the show to start. Finally they make the announcement that there would be no show because his band went to Philadelphia.
  • A month or so later, I go to see B.B. King at Eisenhower Auditorium and during a pause between songs early in the show, B.B. says “It’s great to be here at Penn State. This is Penn State, right?” After the audience responded back with a resounding yes, B.B. goes on to say “That’s what I thought, because it sure didn’t smell like Philadelphia when we got off the bus!” To this day, I’m not sure where the jab was directed!
 

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  • A month or so later, I go to see B.B. King at Eisenhower Auditorium and during a pause between songs early in the show, B.B. says “It’s great to be here at Penn State. This is Penn State, right?” After the audience responded back with a resounding yes, B.B. goes on to say “That’s what I thought, because it sure didn’t smell like Philadelphia when we got off the bus!” To this day, I’m not sure where the jab was directed!

Philadelphia - human faeces
State College - cow faeces
 

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We get a similar thing here in West Virginia. Somebody will ask,'where you from?' We'll answer West Virginia, to which they will respond , 'oh I have a cousin that lives in Richmond'.!!!
To which T shirts were made along the lines, West Virginia, its own state since 1863!!
 

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I always chuckle when I see anyone reference 1740 as the start of Penn.

If you investigate the history of Penn, it all started in 1749, when Benjamin Franklin presented a proposal for a school to be called "Public Academy of Philadelphia" in a pamphlet he wrote and published, Proposals Relating to the Education of Youth in Pensilvania.

The proposal was well received, and Franklin assembled a group of leading citizens of Philadelphia to serve on the board of trustees of the Academy. James Logan, a city leader at the time, offered the board for free a plot of land he owned that was across the street from the State House (which is now known as Independence Hall).

The board and Franklin liked the idea of free land, but they were concerned that it would take too long to erect a building and get the Academy up and running. So they also looked around for a building they could purchase.

In 1740, George Whitefield, an ordained Anglican cleric, traveled to North America, and gave a number of outdoor sermons. These sermons/revivals came to be known as the Great Awakening. In response, a group of Philadelphians in 1740 constructed in the city, at 4th & Arch, a preaching hall for George Whitefield. It was, at the time, the largest building in the city. The plan when they started the construction was that the building(s) would serve as a chapel and a charity school (remember that minor detail). However, due to a shortfall of funds, construction of the buildings never got close to what had been planned.

The board of trustees of the Public Academy of Philadelphia learned that there were still a great deal of construction debts owed on the preaching hall. They approached those that had built the hall, and on Feb. 1, 1750, in exchange for assuming the construction debts, they took possession of the hall as well as the inactive trusts (remember this detail) of the group that built the hall.

Sometime between Franklin's proposal in 1749 and the board of trustees taking possession of the former preaching hall in 1750, the name of the school was changed to "Academy of Philadelphia." On August 13, 1751, the first students attended the school -- they were what we would in modern times call middle school and high school students.

In June of 1755, the College of Philadelphia was chartered. At this point, the original school was the Academy for secondary students whose families paid for their instruction, a charity school which provided free education to secondary students, and the College which provided instruction for what we'd now call undergraduates. The board of trustees for the three schools were the same, as it was all considered the same educational institution.

In 1779, during the Revolutionary War, the Pennsylvania Legislature created the University of the State of Pennsylvania. In essence, they took over the College of Philadelphia because they felt that the provost of the College, Rev. William Smith, was a loyalist. Smith fought this action, and continued to run a College of Philadelphia while the University of the State of Pennsylvania was also starting. For several years, there was a college and a university, with separate boards. In 1791, the Pennsylvania Legislature issued a new charter for the schools, which merged the two schools and changed the name to the University of Pennsylvania. To ensure that both schools bought in to this action, the legislature set the new board of trustees to be composed of 12 men from Smith's College of Philadelphia board and 12 men from the University of the State of Pennsylvania board.

So what did Penn set up as its founding date? 1751, when the Academy of Philadelphia accepted their first students? 1755, when the College of Philadelphia was chartered? No, it decided to set its founding as 1750, when the board of the Academy of Philadelphia took possession of their first building and grounds.

All was well and good with 1750 as the founding, but within 10-20 years, Penn started claiming its origin was in 1749, when Franklin published his pamphlet and a board of trustees was set up. Penn used this date as its origin for more than 100 years.

In 1896, Penn's General Alumni Society started to advocate for moving back the date of Penn's founding. Their major motivation -- to be able to claim that they were older than Princeton, which was chartered in 1746 as the College of New Jersey. Penn's alumni organization kept up their campaign, and in 1899 Penn's board of trustees voted to change their founding to 1740. Where did they pull that date from? The earliest "inactive trusts" for the "charity school" component of the preaching hall built for George Whitefield were established in 1740.

I think Penn is a great university. Several members of my family, and several friends of mine, have attended it. I've been on the campus dozens of time, and think Penn is one of the best educational institutions in the country. However, as someone that 1) is interested in 18th century history, with a sub-interest in the Philadelphia region in that time, and 2) someone that is a stickler for being historically accurate, I always chuckle when I see Penn, or anyone speaking for or wearing clothes about, referencing their origin as 1740. I just don't think there is any legitimate basis for Penn's use of 1740 as their origin.
Thanks Tom.
 

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I was at PHL two days ago trying to just to get to CLT, an hours Flt away. It was a BRUTAL day for flying. Massive delays, cancellations and ground stoppages. Finally landed in CLT 4 hrs late and sat on the tarmac there for an hour waiting on a gate.
 
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I was at PHL two days ago trying to just to get to CLT, an hours Flt away. It was a BRUTAL day for flying. Massive delays, cancellations and ground stoppages. Finally landed in CLT 4 hrs late and sat on the tarmac there for an hour waiting on a gate.
Several years ago there was a story on CNN with a headline about a Penn State student that had died. I read the article and noted it was a Penn Quaker student based on the location and information in the article. Emailed the editor and the writer of the article and both emailed back thanks. Headline was changed within 15 min. It's pretty common to have folks not know the difference between Penn and PSU out there.
 

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Sometime in the late 1970s, a basketball player was being recruited to several schools in the midwest. He visited several schools and finally announced his selection and sent in his paperwork. He got a phone call from the coach, very excited that he had committed to their school and they sent him information on when he should be at campus prior to his freshman year.

He arrived the summer before his first semester and was stunned to find rolling pastures, open fields, a very small student body and a gym not much bigger than the one he played in in High School. He expected to find skyscrapers, buildings a large student body and a large gym.

When he looked at his paperwork, he realized he had commmitted to the wrong school. He had committed to DePauw University. He thought he had committed to DePaul University.
 

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Sometime in the late 1970s, a basketball player was being recruited to several schools in the midwest. He visited several schools and finally announced his selection and sent in his paperwork. He got a phone call from the coach, very excited that he had committed to their school and they sent him information on when he should be at campus prior to his freshman year.

He arrived the summer before his first semester and was stunned to find rolling pastures, open fields, a very small student body and a gym not much bigger than the one he played in in High School. He expected to find skyscrapers, buildings a large student body and a large gym.

When he looked at his paperwork, he realized he had commmitted to the wrong school. He had committed to DePauw University. He thought he had committed to DePaul University.

He must not have ever made the Dean's List considering that he mailed in the paperwork to an address in Indiana instead of one in Chicago Illinoin.
 

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He must not have ever made the Dean's List considering that he mailed in the paperwork to an address in Indiana instead of one in Chicago Illinoin.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. You think someone would have told him. But, I am sure he was not being recruited as a future Rhodes Scholar.

I read this in a Sports Illustrated magazine when I was in high school. It stayed with me all these years, because it was just so bizarre.
 
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