FWIW SEC Expansion

[Sleepyhead]

Sort of a dead topic right now. But a few teams I would like to see the SEC add.

Notre Dame- Instantly hated by everyone in the SEC and big time matchups/rivalries. A home-run move.

Kansas- Creates huge basketball matchups and brings a full state university even in a less attractive market.

Colorado- Westward Expansion, Denver Market

Utah- Westward expansion- Salt Lake City

Teams I don't like- UNC/Duke/Clemson - Would be a good fit and BIG and South Carolina being a border SEC school is important for Mid Atlantic Recruiting

UVA/VT- I've lived in VA most my life and fan support for UVA is next to nothing, rarely meet a Cavalier fan let alone one that actually is into football. VT has a solid fan base especially in SW VA but I just don't see the appeal. Very small area, decent athletics, almost like a less attractive Kentucky.

Darkhorse School- WVU- Very similar to a lot of SEC schools in that the whole state loves the mountaineers and they desperately want to win. Poor recourses, stadium, in state talent. A move to the SEC could propel them to relevancy though.

 

[rockingamecock]

It's already too big. No more.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We need Clemson in the SEC, badly. Particularly with the lack of emphasis put on quality OOC matchups. We need them to be one of our 8 or 9 conference games. It's a huge liability for us with them being OOC.

 

[92Pony]

We need Clemson in the SEC, badly. Particularly with the lack of emphasis put on quality OOC matchups. We need them to be one of our 8 or 9 conference games. It's a huge liability for us with them being OOC.

I disagree. They will recruit even better, and ascend the ranks, passing us(further) by. Thats my opinion.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I disagree. They will recruit even better, and ascend the ranks, passing us(further) by. Thats my opinion.

Even if their recruiting upticked a bit, which is debatable if it would or not, it's still a major liability in the current landscape to have one of our OOC games tied up with a P4 opponent.

I don't really think it would impact their recruiting very much, particularly since they'll be recruiting against all the same teams they are currently recruiting against. Also, they were a 3-loss team this year in the ACC, notably 0-2 vs SEC and 7-1 vs ACC. Likely at least a 5-loss team in the SEC. They would not be recruiting from the same position they are recruiting in the ACC.

 

[Sleepyhead]

I'm neutral for Clemson to the SEC. Sure, it would free up a non-conference game which would be nice. I think they're program would get better in the SEC honestly. In fact, I think they would struggle i.e. Auburn, Oklahoma this year. Both those programs are superior to Clemson IMO too. From a SEC standpoint, what does Clemson honestly even bring to the SEC? Good football team most years yes. Take out they're run in the 2010's and its a pretty mediocre program. Middle of Nowhere, adds nothing.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm neutral for Clemson to the SEC. Sure, it would free up a non-conference game which would be nice. I think they're program would get better in the SEC honestly. In fact, I think they would struggle i.e. Auburn, Oklahoma this year. Both those programs are superior to Clemson IMO too. From a SEC standpoint, what does Clemson honestly even bring to the SEC? Good football team most years yes. Take out they're run in the 2010's and its a pretty mediocre program. Middle of Nowhere, adds nothing.

I suspect they would be a 3-4 loss team many years in the SEC. This year for sure. They played 2 SEC games and lost both. Add 6 more in. They might have had 5 SEC losses.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I'm neutral for Clemson to the SEC. Sure, it would free up a non-conference game which would be nice. I think they're program would get better in the SEC honestly. In fact, I think they would struggle i.e. Auburn, Oklahoma this year. Both those programs are superior to Clemson IMO too. From a SEC standpoint, what does Clemson honestly even bring to the SEC? Good football team most years yes. Take out they're run in the 2010's and its a pretty mediocre program. Middle of Nowhere, adds nothing.

Mediocre program? I’m not trying to take up for them but you do realize the list of programs that have more than three NC to their name is very short. I’m not sure that’s an accurate statement in the grand scheme of things. Now I’m for sending them to div 2 personally.

 

[Lakemurraycock]

It's already too big. No more.

 

[Sleepyhead]

Mediocre program? I’m not trying to take up for them but you do realize the list of programs that have more than three NC to their name is very short. I’m not sure that’s an accurate statement in the grand scheme of things. Now I’m for sending them to div 2 personally.

That's fair I won't argue it. All I'm saying is before the 2010's no one viewed them as a powerhouse program. Not sure people do right now either and quite frankly feel like the run they made was once in a life time and they're about to return to mediocrity. I think they're a good fit for the BIG. Adds interesting matchups and would be a good territorial gain for the BIG.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Notre Dame will not be joining the SEC.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Notre Dame will not be joining the SEC.

Incredibly unlikely. I do believe the SEC would do their best to make them an offer they can't refuse. I think you get more big time ratings matchups in the SEC...ND/UGA, ND/Bama, ND/LSU, ND/UT, ND/Texas, ND/UF, ND/Auburn, ND/A&M (yeah, some of the SEC brands are down but still carry name power).

In the Big 10 they would add ND/OSU, ND/Michigan, ND/PSU, ND/Oregon as far as big time matchups (ND/SoCal is already a thing).

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Incredibly unlikely. I do believe the SEC would do their best to make them an offer they can't refuse. I think you get more big time ratings matchups in the SEC...ND/UGA, ND/Bama, ND/LSU, ND/UT, ND/Texas, ND/UF, ND/Auburn, ND/A&M (yeah, some of the SEC brands are down but still carry name power).

In the Big 10 they would add ND/OSU, ND/Michigan, ND/PSU, ND/Oregon as far as big time matchups (ND/SoCal is already a thing).

ND/ Michigan St, ND/Wisconsin, ND/Iowa and 2 built in state rivalries Indiana and Purdue.
The SEC can make offers, but ND can refuse (THE B1G can easily match and surpass any offers the SEC throws on the table)
All debates aside, I'll repeat, ND will not be joining the SEC

 

[Sleepyhead]

Didn’t say it was likely. It would be brilliant though.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Clemtech doesn't need to join the SEC to make the playoffs. Actually, the opposite. Join the SEC and they may never see the playoffs again!

 

[SouthernBelly]

Whoever and whatever happens next regarding expansion will happen as soon as all interested parties figure out how to make more money from whatever it is. It's what has fueled expansion since 1992.

 

[92Pony]

I suspect they would be a 3-4 loss team many years in the SEC. This year for sure. They played 2 SEC games and lost both. Add 6 more in. They might have had 5 SEC losses.

You're not factoring in their golden horseshoe and its rectal implantation!

 

[HI Cock1]

Let's take a couple cupcakes from other states...
Boise State, Oregon State, Washington State. Heck take all the leftovers from the Pac-12.

And to the "conference is too big" crowd. Indiana says HI! from the Big 10 (which is up to 18 teams - or is it 19?). More teams you get in your league, more likely you are to have an easy schedule.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

We need Clemson in the SEC, badly. Particularly with the lack of emphasis put on quality OOC matchups. We need them to be one of our 8 or 9 conference games. It's a huge liability for us with them being OOC.

You couldn't be more wrong! That would be one of the worst things ever for the University of South Carolina. We don't want them getting SEC money. We don't want them being able to recruit as an SEC school.

 

[Backyard Archer]

Even if their recruiting upticked a bit, which is debatable if it would or not, it's still a major liability in the current landscape to have one of our OOC games tied up with a P4 opponent.

I don't really think it would impact their recruiting very much, particularly since they'll be recruiting against all the same teams they are currently recruiting against. Also, they were a 3-loss team this year in the ACC, notably 0-2 vs SEC and 7-1 vs ACC. Likely at least a 5-loss team in the SEC. They would not be recruiting from the same position they are recruiting in the ACC.

I see where you're coming from for sure but we don't need them suddenly having as much money as we do. They need to rot on the ACC vine for the next 10 years while we pull away from them.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I'll add this, given the bullcrap that is the college football playoff, I'd be fine if the SEC got to an equal number of teams as the Big 10, which is currently at 18, & then the 2 conferences broke off & adopt the NFC/AFC philosophy to have their own playoffs & national champion. If the SEC were to add two more, I'd like for it to come from Oklahoma State, Kansas, NC State, & Kansas State. Screw that school upstate & Florida St. too!

 

[Uscg1984]

And to the "conference is too big" crowd. Indiana says HI! from the Big 10 (which is up to 18 teams - or is it 19?). More teams you get in your league, more likely you are to have an easy schedule.

That last line is only true if you add more bad teams than good ones.

 

[Tngamecock]

Sort of a dead topic right now. But a few teams I would like to see the SEC add.

Notre Dame- Instantly hated by everyone in the SEC and big time matchups/rivalries. A home-run move.

Kansas- Creates huge basketball matchups and brings a full state university even in a less attractive market.

Colorado- Westward Expansion, Denver Market

Utah- Westward expansion- Salt Lake City

Teams I don't like- UNC/Duke/Clemson - Would be a good fit and BIG and South Carolina being a border SEC school is important for Mid Atlantic Recruiting

UVA/VT- I've lived in VA most my life and fan support for UVA is next to nothing, rarely meet a Cavalier fan let alone one that actually is into football. VT has a solid fan base especially in SW VA but I just don't see the appeal. Very small area, decent athletics, almost like a less attractive Kentucky.

Darkhorse School- WVU- Very similar to a lot of SEC schools in that the whole state loves the mountaineers and they desperately want to win. Poor recourses, stadium, in state talent. A move to the SEC could propel them to relevancy though.

No.No. No

 

[Sleepyhead]

No.No. No

Well, expansion is very likely to happen as some point, with or without the above teams. I would rather it be new state schools in attractive markets with upside (KU, Colorado, Utah), then programs in markets the SEC already dominates coming in the go 7-5 and be mildly competitive. Looks how introducing Missouri has helped shape and improve their football program.

 

[atl-cock]

Sort of a dead topic right now. But a few teams I would like to see the SEC add.

Notre Dame- Instantly hated by everyone in the SEC and big time matchups/rivalries. A home-run move.

Kansas- Creates huge basketball matchups and brings a full state university even in a less attractive market.

Colorado- Westward Expansion, Denver Market

Utah- Westward expansion- Salt Lake City

Teams I don't like- UNC/Duke/Clemson - Would be a good fit and BIG and South Carolina being a border SEC school is important for Mid Atlantic Recruiting

UVA/VT- I've lived in VA most my life and fan support for UVA is next to nothing, rarely meet a Cavalier fan let alone one that actually is into football. VT has a solid fan base especially in SW VA but I just don't see the appeal. Very small area, decent athletics, almost like a less attractive Kentucky.

Darkhorse School- WVU- Very similar to a lot of SEC schools in that the whole state loves the mountaineers and they desperately want to win. Poor recourses, stadium, in state talent. A move to the SEC could propel them to relevancy though.

Schools, not teams.

 

[atl-cock]

ND/ Michigan St, ND/Wisconsin, ND/Iowa and 2 built in state rivalries Indiana and Purdue.
The SEC can make offers, but ND can refuse (THE B1G can easily match and surpass any offers the SEC throws on the table)
All debates aside, I'll repeat, ND will not be joining the SEC

100 years ago, ND expressed a desire to join the B1G, but were turned down because they are a Catholic school. Inconceivable today.