Game Observations

[Prestonyte]

The game was lost on a bad break on a swing pass we have thrown a hundred times this season with no problem and 3 FG's which were not the result of the tater offense moving the ball well against our defense but mainly based on starting field position.
Field position and pressure on Rattler were dominant factors in our inability to get anything going offensively. Lack of adjustments to take advantage of a pressure defense is puzzling but I guess DLogg was expecting Rattler to eventually make something happen as he has almost always done. Our lack of innovation on offense is very disappointing as all that pressure has to make a defense vulnerable in some facets.
The Taters have a much better OL than we do but their offense was not much better than ours at producing points and given all of our three and outs and the amount of time our defense spent on the field, the game shouldn't have even been within reach, but it was.

5 things which have really hurt us this season
1. OL - lack of physicality, aggression and mental toughness to win individual battles with opposing DLinemen
2. Punting - big disappointment after last season's performance as field position has not been our friend at all this year
3. Running game design - OL blocking takes some blame but our scheme for running the ball is predictable and lacking any adjustments based on the opponent's defensive game plan
4. Wasted 1st downs on offense have put us in 2nd and long way too often and we constantly run 3rd down plays which are short of the 1st down marker even if successful
5. Defensive players out of position - this was much improved later in the year but was a glaring defect earlier in the year

Those are my thoughts and look for others to chime in with theirs

 

[Blues man]

I'd like to know why it seems our best drive of the game is often our first or second. I mean we have had a few exceptions but there has been quite a few games where that seemed to be the case. I find it disturbing.

 

[Kdaddy78]

Completely agree. At the end of the day, this team was probably a 6-6 team coming into the season and fell 1 game short based on your points above. UNC, FL, or CU were all up for grabs, but the lack of coaching and talent put us where we are.

 

[Beanerball]

Can’t argue with you. We really lacked play makers this year. Last year Juice, Bell, and JuJu had big games. All we had last night was Legette. Our young WR’s haven’t advanced enough to get open quick. Enough has been said about O-line. Even when everyone was healthy they were bad against good defenses.

 

[Uscg1984]

Can’t argue with you. We really lacked play makers this year. Last year Juice, Bell, and JuJu had big games. All we had last night was Legette. Our young WR’s haven’t advanced enough to get open quick. Enough has been said about O-line. Even when everyone was healthy they were bad against good defenses.

Don't forget Josh Vann from last year's team. Leggette was really the only guy to emerge as a playmaker among the receiving corps this year.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

The game was lost on a bad break on a swing pass we have thrown a hundred times this season with no problem and 3 FG's which were not the result of the tater offense moving the ball well against our defense but mainly based on starting field position.
Field position and pressure on Rattler were dominant factors in our inability to get anything going offensively. Lack of adjustments to take advantage of a pressure defense is puzzling but I guess DLogg was expecting Rattler to eventually make something happen as he has almost always done. Our lack of innovation on offense is very disappointing as all that pressure has to make a defense vulnerable in some facets.
The Taters have a much better OL than we do but their offense was not much better than ours at producing points and given all of our three and outs and the amount of time our defense spent on the field, the game shouldn't have even been within reach, but it was.

5 things which have really hurt us this season
1. OL - lack of physicality, aggression and mental toughness to win individual battles with opposing DLinemen
2. Punting - big disappointment after last season's performance as field position has not been our friend at all this year
3. Running game design - OL blocking takes some blame but our scheme for running the ball is predictable and lacking any adjustments based on the opponent's defensive game plan
4. Wasted 1st downs on offense have put us in 2nd and long way too often and we constantly run 3rd down plays which are short of the 1st down marker even if successful
5. Defensive players out of position - this was much improved later in the year but was a glaring defect earlier in the year

Those are my thoughts and look for others to chime in with theirs

Bad break.

Spurrier would have won last night. I recall Clemp running back the opening kickoff in a game he won. That’s the bottom line.

I’ve never loved Beamer, but he irretrievably lost me in the UNC game.

 

[Uscg1984]

Spurrier would have won last night. I recall Clemp running back the opening kickoff in a game he won. That’s the bottom line.

I'm not as down on Beamer as you are, but I was thinking the same thing about Spurrier last night. In the exact same game, with the exact same personnel, Spurrier would have figured out how to get 17 points out of our offense. You have to adjust the offense to your abilities. How many times last night did we run the ball on 2 and 10 in some futile effort to "establish the run?" Those ended up being completely wasted downs for us.

The game last night was 100% winnable. Clemson's offense wasn't much better than ours. If you had told us all before the game that Clemson would not score an offensive TD last night, I think we would all feel pretty good about our chances.

 

[secocks]

Another factor in the season not mentioned is special teams. In Beamer’s first two season we were able to steal a couple games with special teams. It is hard to keep that up with today’s film study.

 

[Prestonyte]

I'm not as down on Beamer as you are, but I was thinking the same thing about Spurrier last night. In the exact same game, with the exact same personnel, Spurrier would have figured out how to get 17 points out of our offense. You have to adjust the offense to your abilities. How many times last night did we run the ball on 2 and 10 in some futile effort to "establish the run?" Those ended up being completely wasted downs for us.

The game last night was 100% winnable. Clemson's offense wasn't much better than ours. If you had told us all before the game that Clemson would not score an offensive TD last night, I think we would all feel pretty good about our chances.

Not sure what Spurrier would have done but agree we waste downs on 1st and 2nd down running plays and run plays short of first down yardage on 3rd down. Doesn't take a genius coach to fix that part.

 

[Cackmandu]

I'm not as down on Beamer as you are, but I was thinking the same thing about Spurrier last night. In the exact same game, with the exact same personnel, Spurrier would have figured out how to get 17 points out of our offense. You have to adjust the offense to your abilities. How many times last night did we run the ball on 2 and 10 in some futile effort to "establish the run?" Those ended up being completely wasted downs for us.

The game last night was 100% winnable. Clemson's offense wasn't much better than ours. If you had told us all before the game that Clemson would not score an offensive TD last night, I think we would all feel pretty good about our chances.

Good points, as a staff you have to adjust to what they’re giving you, hope that’s a learning experience for the staff, I mean Spurrier had 20 years on Beamer in experience! I guess as Clemson fans would say we gifted them the game!

 

[Guy in the Back]

Spurrier was an offensive genius that not many could match wits with. This year was a perfect storm for crappyness. An OL that could not consistently open holes along with a lack of backs that could fall forward. Makes you one dimensional. On top of that you throw out that the OL was worse at pass pro and you have a stagnant offense.

I do think Beamer can and will show improvement, assuming he can keep his classes together. Next year may be similar to this year, however I do believe the the year after we should be good on the OL. The two freshen will be Jrs along with what looks like a good incoming class having a year experience.

 

[Uscg1984]

Another factor in the season not mentioned is special teams. In Beamer’s first two season we were able to steal a couple games with special teams. It is hard to keep that up with today’s film study.

Good point. How many times this season were our special teams actually "special?" In Beamer's first two years, it seemed like our special teams were making big plays almost every game. This year, I can't specifically recall any big special teams moment other than the onside kick to start the 2nd half against UNC - which we quickly squandered with a 3-and-out.

Last night's game was the perfect example of a game that could have been stolen with a big special teams play or two.

 

[Viennacock]

Bad break.

Spurrier would have won last night. I recall Clemp running back the opening kickoff in a game he won. That’s the bottom line.

I’ve never loved Beamer, but he irretrievably lost me in the UNC game.

You are referring to our coach that quit mid-season?

 

[Viennacock]

3 plays turned last nights game.

1- The fumble on the 2nd play (7 points)
2- Fortune's unfortunate drop (3 pointa) interception
3- no call on intentional grounding (3 points)

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

You are referring to our coach that quit mid-season?

Yes, to give our hillbilly AD a head start. I agree with you that it was somewhat unconventional, and I certainly would not have done it the way Spurrier did, but Tanner was given an opportunity that he blew.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Loggains' play calling was again, as it was against UK, overly conservative. You could say almost tentative. It seemed he was content to call safe plays and just hope something big would happen.

 

[Deleted11512]

Loggains' play calling was again, as it was against UK, overly conservative. You could say almost tentative. It seemed he was content to call safe plays and just hope something big would happen.

Honestly not a bad strategy when your OL is getting blown away and you D is playing well.

 

[Deleted11512]

Yes, to give our hillbilly AD a head start. I agree with you that it was somewhat unconventional, and I certainly would not have done it the way Spurrier did, but Tanner was given an opportunity that he blew.

HAHAHA. On the list of reasons HBC walked when he did, to assist RT in finding his replacement isn't on it. I promise you that. HBC is HBC first...and always. He had his reasons, and they were NOT to help USC.

 

[Deleted11512]

Bad break.

Spurrier would have won last night. I recall Clemp running back the opening kickoff in a game he won. That’s the bottom line.

I’ve never loved Beamer, but he irretrievably lost me in the UNC game.

I also recall interim Dabo kicking his *** and securing his job as HC. I also recall DW4 kicking his *** on a torn ACL. I also recall Beamer erasing a 14 point deficit on the road to win the game last year. What's your point??

 

[18IsTheMan]

Honestly not a bad strategy when your OL is getting blown away and you D is playing well.

I guess it's an ok strategy if you're not trying to score points.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

HAHAHA. On the list of reasons HBC walked when he did, to assist RT in finding his replacement isn't on it. I promise you that. HBC is HBC first...and always. He had his reasons, and they were NOT to help USC.

That's the reason he gave. Whether you believe it is your biz, but history will record that's what he said.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

I also recall interim Dabo kicking his *** and securing his job as HC. I also recall DW4 kicking his *** on a torn ACL. I also recall Beamer erasing a 14 point deficit on the road to win the game last year. What's your point??

I made my point. Spurrier would have won.

 

[Deleted11512]

That's the reason he gave. Whether you believe it is your biz, but history will record that's what he said.

I remember he made a very smart comment at one point..."smart people don't believe everything they hear".

If you think abruptly leaving the team in the middle of the year was in the best interest of the program, I've got ocean front property in AZ you may be interested in.

 

[Deleted11512]

I made my point. Spurrier would have won.

You didn't really make a point, just stated an opinion.

 

[KingWard]

Don't forget Josh Vann from last year's team. Leggette was really the only guy to emerge as a playmaker among the receiving corps this year.

Exactly. You can't make it with as few offensive difference-makers as we had.

 

[KingWard]

I'm not as down on Beamer as you are, but I was thinking the same thing about Spurrier last night. In the exact same game, with the exact same personnel, Spurrier would have figured out how to get 17 points out of our offense. You have to adjust the offense to your abilities. How many times last night did we run the ball on 2 and 10 in some futile effort to "establish the run?" Those ended up being completely wasted downs for us.

The game last night was 100% winnable. Clemson's offense wasn't much better than ours. If you had told us all before the game that Clemson would not score an offensive TD last night, I think we would all feel pretty good about our chances.

If you're trying to say that Spurrier was a premier gameday coach while Beamer isn't, that's not exactly a revelation.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Good point. How many times this season were our special teams actually "special?" In Beamer's first two years, it seemed like our special teams were making big plays almost every game. This year, I can't specifically recall any big special teams moment other than the onside kick to start the 2nd half against UNC - which we quickly squandered with a 3-and-out.

Last night's game was the perfect example of a game that could have been stolen with a big special teams play or two.

Clemson's D played outstanding, no question about that. I'm not sure we would have won even if we played the best game possible. That said, our play calling didn't do anything at all to put any kind of pressure on the D. On offense, we were playing not to lose...while we were losing.

 

[KingWard]

I also recall interim Dabo kicking his *** and securing his job as HC. I also recall DW4 kicking his *** on a torn ACL. I also recall Beamer erasing a 14 point deficit on the road to win the game last year. What's your point??

Yep, Spurrier was a well-camouflaged bum.

 

[Kappa Koch1]

What adjustments do you expect when the line can't block and the receivers were dropping balls. Clemson's defense is really good, but with a below average line and only 1 receiver who was covered most of the game we were doomed. You can make adjustments when you are able to run the ball. We couldn't do that all year. I don't know what miracle you expected DL to perform.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

You didn't really make a point, just stated an opinion.

You're taking this stuff way too personally. My whole point is Spurrier is the better coach and would have won. Especially in-game. If you disagree, just say so. Arguing with me on this point will get you nowhere.

 

[Deleted11512]

Yep, Spurrier was a well-camouflaged bum.

HAHA. Not hardly. But acting like he would have won that game, with this team, just bc he was HBC is silly.

 

[Deleted11512]

You're taking this stuff way too personally. My whole point is Spurrier is the better coach and would have won. Especially in-game. If you disagree, just say so. Arguing with me on this point will get you nowhere.

I don't disagree...just no way to know. You're the one that rushes to the board after every loss acting like Beamer stole your girl.

 

[KingWard]

HAHA. Not hardly. But acting like he would have won that game, with this team, just bc he was HBC is silly.

I would agree. Beamer also might have won a couple of more games LAST season had he suppressed Satterfield sooner.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

I don't disagree...just no way to know. You're the one that rushes to the board after every loss acting like Beamer stole your girl.

Not every game. I became vocal this year once I could see year 3 was a regression due largely if not entirely from the fact that Beamer is not a HC. This Board is for discussion. It's not limited to celebrating and cheerleading. If you want that, go to X and limit the cast that you follow.

 

[Deleted11512]

Not every game. I became vocal this year once I could see year 3 was a regression due largely if not entirely from the fact that Beamer is not a HC. This Board is for discussion. It's not limited to celebrating and cheerleading. If you want that, go to X and limit the cast that you follow.

I hear you....just saying, you're nowhere to be found to celebrate the Ws. Troubling. Just seems a bit odd to me.

 

[Deleted11512]

Interesting...apparently Riley wanted to call more passing plays but was vetoed by Dabo. Imagine paying a guy $2M and not letting him run his O. I guess it worked, but can you imagine we come out of that thing with a 7-6 W and this gets out??

Swinney on passing attack against Gamecocks: "I don't think I've ever said no" as much

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney knows he could have punched in the final drive of the game against South Carolina for a score, but much like the previous 59 min

www.tigernet.com

 

[Prestonyte]

Interesting...apparently Riley wanted to call more passing plays but was vetoed by Dabo. Imagine paying a guy $2M and not letting him run his O. I guess it worked, but can you imagine we come out of that thing with a 7-6 W and this gets out??

Swinney on passing attack against Gamecocks: "I don't think I've ever said no" as much

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney knows he could have punched in the final drive of the game against South Carolina for a score, but much like the previous 59 min

www.tigernet.com

Smart move on Dabo's part.
Klubnik throwing ball was risky business with likely TO's letting us back in the game.
Came close to INT's several times which probably made that decision an easy one.

 

[Uscg1984]

If you're trying to say that Spurrier was a premier gameday coach while Beamer isn't, that's not exactly a revelation.

Perhaps not, but I don't exactly think you have to be a "premier" gameday coach to have gotten more than 7 points and 169 yards out of the team we put on the field Saturday night. I long for a premier offensive mind, but I'd settle at this point for an average one.

 

[KingWard]

Perhaps not, but I don't exactly think you have to be a "premier" gameday coach to have gotten more than 7 points and 169 yards out of the team we put on the field Saturday night. I long for a premier offensive mind, but I'd settle at this point for an average one.

You need five interior linemen, two outside receivers, two honest-to-goodness tight ends, and two SEC-level running backs.

 

[mickray]

You need five interior linemen, two outside receivers, two honest-to-goodness tight ends, and two SEC-level running backs.

That is 11. Single wing offense?