Generational Gap in Fan Support Question

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By the time our admin acknowledges the writing on the wall, it will be too late. We need someone to make really hard decisions to set us apart and the people in charge didn’t get there by taking risks. Our chance to move beyond our current state died with Leach.
 
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Gen X'er here. My wife and I both graduated from MSST in the mid 1990s & both of our children went to MSST, one got his degree & the other will have her degree in December. I say all that to say our family is MSST through & through. We have season tickets in Football & Men's BKB. We also have a flex plan for BSB & SFB. We also give to the State of Excellence fund.

BUT................. all that to say, I am to the point of pure, unadulterated apathy when it comes to MSST Sports. If we win, that's great, if not, oh well. We've only used two of our 20 flex tickets for baseball so far this year. Just can't go watch it. The lack of urgency from our total baseball program, players & coaches just infuriates me. On the football side, it's going to be a long time before we are back to the days of 6-7 wins and going to a middle of the road bowl. That's how behind we are in football. The talent gap between MSST & the middle of the road SEC team is HUGE!!.

Last year was the 1st time ever that I would look at my wife in the 2nd half of a football game & say, "Are you ready to go? I can't watch this anymore!" The lack of mental & physical toughness gets my blood pressure to an unhealthy level!!

We will continue to lose top tier players to the schools with huge bank rolls & then have to go look to Group of 5 teams to get their best players. That formula is not sustainable. Those players signed Group of 5 for a reason............

It's better for me as a 51 year old not to get emotionally invested anymore. In the future, I can see a lot less attendance in my future & a lot more back porch grilling & coolers, watching on the TV & my giving $$$$ to MSST dwindling down!!!!

Happy Wednesday!!!!
 

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This is me....I put so much effort into supporting athletics and NIL initiatives, travel back and forth to campus for games, buy tickets, etc....and when it feels like I care more about the performance on the field than the people making seven figures to run it - it breaks my give a damn very quickly.
In my 40 years, there has only been one brief moment when I felt like accountability existed at MSU, and that was when Foglesong and Byrne were around.

And boy did our staff members and administration NOT like that
 
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I don’t know that anyone is expecting us to hire a “big time” head coach away from a big time school necessarily. But there are good head coaches at the G5 level that have cultivated winning teams. Heck there are even coaches that have made the transition from FCS to P5 with success.

We have opted to spin the roulette wheel of hiring a coordinator several times and the percentage chances of success do not appear to be high. They’re not zero, see Dan Mullen. But so far he’s an outlier.
The percentage chances are low in all coaching hires. Feel like there is plenty of data to prove that.

The fact is though, based on his points, cooter is upset about the greatest stretch in msu sports history as a whole.
 
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In my 40 years, there has only been one brief moment when I felt like accountability existed at MSU, and that was when Foglesong and Byrne were around.

And boy did our staff members and administration NOT like that
Neither did some of our fans which is why these opinions are like A holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

Even in this thread there are multiple differing opinions where the poster speaks like an aficionado, but they can't all be right.
 

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Neither did some of our fans which is why these opinions are like A holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

Even in this thread there are multiple differing opinions where the poster speaks like an aficionado, but they can't all be right.
I've found the large number of Poor Ole State fans that love to expect mediocrity as a great season, because that's all our poor school should expect, is very "boomer" based. So the people with the money just don't care if we win because they don't believe we can. But they will complain when the younger crowd says we should expect more.
Im not in the "younger" group anymore but we have a lot of short comings and no one in administration ever really addresses things or even attempts to get everyone on the same page working together.
 
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I've found the large number of Poor Ole State fans that love to expect mediocrity as a great season, because that's all our poor school should expect, is very boomer based. So the people with the money just don't care if we win because they don't believe we can. But they will complain when the younger crowd says we should expect more.
Expecting more is fine. I expect more all the time in all aspects of my life.

Being unrealistic, impatient, inconsistent, not willing to contribute, etc, is just annoying as 17.

Not sure if you meant me but i'm not a boomer. I'm either a gen x or millenial. 43. I'm not a huge whiny pu$$y though.
 
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By the time our admin acknowledges the writing on the wall, it will be too late. We need someone to make really hard decisions to set us apart and the people in charge didn’t get there by taking risks. Our chance to move beyond our current state died with Leach.
And he was maligned horribly
 
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I've found the large number of Poor Ole State fans that love to expect mediocrity as a great season, because that's all our poor school should expect, is very "boomer" based. So the people with the money just don't care if we win because they don't believe we can. But they will complain when the younger crowd says we should expect more.
Im not in the "younger" group anymore but we have a lot of short comings and no one in administration ever really addresses things or even attempts to get everyone on the same page working together.
Mississippi State is a historically great representation of Mississippi as a whole accepting being last and mediocre, but just happy to be invited to the party (SEC or USA). However, the state is beginning to break that mold slowly. In addition, Ole Miss is doing whatever it costs to win while we continue to stay mediocre.
 
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I had a lot of debt from grad school but got rid of it earlier this year. Originally stretched it out as far as I could because I’d refinanced at 3.25% and invested extra income, but it got low enough that I just got rid of the rest. I’m a millennial, and I’m still in the mindset of saving/investing, and when I’m choosing between donating and either saving or buying something for my kids, I’m going with the latter every time. We do have a couple streaming services but they’re for the family, and I don’t buy a lot of stuff for myself, don’t have hobbies like golf right now, etc. I want to donate at some point, but I’d like to have a better understanding of strategic plan, and I want to have more saved/invested in my family’s future before giving to State. My parents do donate some now that kids are grown/working

edit: all that said, I could still see myself donating now if admin did a good job of selling a strategic plan
 
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Most people here agree with me gae boy
HOGWASH. It's insane to even entertain the thought that the administration at MSU is deliberately tanking everything about the university. It's NUTS, completely bat guano crazy.
 
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Mississippi State is a historically great representation of Mississippi as a whole accepting being last and mediocre, but just happy to be invited to the party (SEC or USA). However, the state is beginning to break that mold slowly. In addition, Ole Miss is doing whatever it costs to win while we continue to stay mediocre.
FIFY

Ole miss ALUMNI are doing whatever it takes. What are you doing?
 

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Man with apathy as rough as it is now I can't wait to be on this board after we lay an egg in Hattiesburg at the end of August.
 

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HOGWASH. It's insane to even entertain the thought that the administration at MSU is deliberately tanking everything about the university. It's NUTS, completely bat guano crazy.
I didn’t say that they were doing it. I said that it “feels like” they are at times. Reading comprehension isn’t your strength. You should be ashamed.
 
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I’d like to think I’d do a lot, especially considering I’m not even a State alum.
I guess my point is that ole miss alums are doing more than mississippi state.

Is there current admin better? Seems that way, but their overall success has a lot more to do with their alumni vs their admin.
 

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I guess my point is that ole miss alums are doing more than mississippi state.

Is there current admin better? Seems that way, but their overall success has a lot more to do with their alumni vs their admin.
I think it’s a combination of both. Keith Carter and their chancellor seem to realize the importance of being competitive and have seen the explosion of student applications due to a good football program and now a good basketball program.
 

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In my 40 years, there has only been one brief moment when I felt like accountability existed at MSU, and that was when Foglesong and Byrne were around.

And boy did our staff members and administration NOT like that
Yeah, it's funny how that works.

Lot's of parallels to today's political climate.
 
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I think it’s a combination of both. Keith Carter and their chancellor seem to realize the importance of being competitive and have seen the explosion of student applications due to a good football program and now a good basketball program.
Yes i agree their current admin is doing a good job.

But its not like they've been light years ahead of us administratively for years. Thats what people on here are suggesting.
 

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I think it’s a combination of both. Keith Carter and their chancellor seem to realize the importance of being competitive and have seen the explosion of student applications due to a good football program and now a good basketball program.
Keith Carter is an Ole Miss alum. He's completely bought in on Ole Miss. He's probably at his dream job.

We have a resume-padding fundraiser who's looking for the next career step and has no loyalty to MSU. He's not about MSU's longterm best interests. It makes sense that he would kick the can on coaching hires because one less coaching search is one less opportunity to eff up a coaching search.
 

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Keith Carter is an Ole Miss alum. He's completely bought in on Ole Miss. He's probably at his dream job.

We have a resume-padding fundraiser who's looking for the next career step and has no loyalty to MSU. He's not about MSU's longterm best interests. It makes sense that he would kick the can on coaching hires because one less coaching search is one less opportunity to eff up a coaching search.
^^^^THIS^^^^
 
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A lot of truth here but you could also reasonably work your way through college and pay it off as you go. That’s really only possible today at the juco level. The cost of college today is insane.
It was not just the unavailability of debt, it was lifestyle too. Not sure if this was unique to my town, but people just didn't spend money traveling and eating out the way they do now. Even the rich people we knew mostly didn't travel out of the country. Even for the really affluent families, it was basically a week at the beach or a week skiing, and then state or ole miss sports and a hunting camp that was owned rather than leased. Nobody racked up frequent flier miles unless they flew for work.

I don't think this is one of the things in favor or against one generation or the other. I think it's good that younger generations travel more and enjoy themselves more, but it is something that sucks up money that I don't think younger people appreciate when they complain about how much harder they have it.

I had a relative roughly my age complaining about having to pay a dentist bill and not having the money and he had finished up his second trip to Europe in probably three years a month or two earlier. Like, yes, when you are in your twenties and not in a particularly lucrative job and vacationing in Europe multiple times, it is going to be hard to pay other bills. But for all the things that boomers did 17 up, that's not one of the things that is really their fault.

And I would say I am somewhat less sympathetic about the cost of college. It's more expensive than it should be, but two years in JUCO and two years at State, Ole Miss, or USM (which granted, lots of states don't have dirt cheap options like that) is still going to be something like $25k-$30k in tuition and books for most people. So you're basically starting off with a car loan with deductible interest. That's not good, but most of the people complaining are complaining about voluntarily taking on lifestyle debt.

Where younger people are really screwed is housing. It is insane how much of a burden we continually add to the cost of housing with restrictive zoning and constantly upping the minimum cost of building.
 

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Keith Carter is an Ole Miss alum. He's completely bought in on Ole Miss. He's probably at his dream job.

We have a resume-padding fundraiser who's looking for the next career step and has no loyalty to MSU. He's not about MSU's longterm best interests. It makes sense that he would kick the can on coaching hires because one less coaching search is one less opportunity to eff up a coaching search.
What’s sad is that our last two ADs (Cohen sucked) have left for other jobs. We don’t seem to have the loyalty to our school that they do.
 

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Yep. Then we decided anyone who wanted a loan deserved it regardless of it they could afford it or not. All in the name of equality.
It blows my mind thinking about this now, but I can distinctly remember taking out my first mortgage in ‘07, and the lender was literally pressing me to go ahead and take nearly 50% more because hey, you’re qualified so why not?
 
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I didn’t say that they were doing it. I said that it “feels like” they are at times. Reading comprehension isn’t your strength. You should be ashamed.
Even entertaining the thought that is what they are doing is HOGWASH and insanity, as I said. Reading comprehension isn't your strength. You should be ashamed.
 

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I think it’s a combination of both. Keith Carter and their chancellor seem to realize the importance of being competitive and have seen the explosion of student applications due to a good football program and now a good basketball program.
You really love Ole Miss, that is for sure.
 

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This times 100. If you get a bunch of debt in college and are having a hard time paying it back, LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

Lots of ways to get your college paid for or pay off the debt with a good ROI as long as you don't get a dumb degree and are willing to work hard.
This is true, but there was an age of people that I would guess are 50 all the way down to maybe 35ish that were constantly indoctrinated that student loan was "good debt" at the same time that going to college was no longer really a solid indication of being a good or even better than average student. Even when I was in school, I remember some guy talking about how he was going to change majors and spend an extra year and his debt would only go from like $50k to $60k or something. And he was I think changing to history or poli sci, but said it was "good debt". I thought he was stupid at the time, but even though I was reasonably smart about finances for a senior in college, I still don't think I realized what an albatross that was going to be for that guy. I'm guessing he came out and either went into teaching or went into the service industry and probably had debt that was 2.5 to 3x his income. Granted, that's not the best example because he was probably 22 when he was making this statement, but for the 18 year olds coming out of high school constantly being told student loan debt is good debt, I have some sympathy for the idiots that did things like go to Washington and Lee and get a degree in English.
 

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In my 40 years, there has only been one brief moment when I felt like accountability existed at MSU, and that was when Foglesong and Byrne were around.

And boy did our staff members and administration NOT like that
If you had to rank college administrations with very little information, I'm not sure you could do much better than rank them in inverse order of how much the faculty dislikes the administration. You would surely miss badly on some, but I don't know what single metric would do any better.
 

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FIFY

Ole miss ALUMNI are doing whatever it takes. What are you doing?
OM leadership is hiring better coaches in athletics, not better human beings, better coaches. They have their supporters all on the same page. They don't distance themselves from organization of things like ours. We over here grabbing some OC who hired his buddy who can't coach defense and we kept all that even after seeing it. Baseball lol!
I still like the Jans hire he needs to sign players and stop signing baggage.
But our leadership treat the supporters like dog **** and don't even attempt to get things organized. They just threw everything under the single worse group, the arrogant *** BC, and told the fans to suck it! Now the fans are giving them the finger and walking away.
 
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It blows my mind thinking about this now, but I can distinctly remember taking out my first mortgage in ‘07, and the lender was literally pressing me to go ahead and take nearly 50% more because hey, you’re qualified so why not?
Yes that mindset changed in the late 90s to early 2000s.

It started to change b/c of.....