Harbaugh the innocent. The story continues.

[Prestonyte]

we know he had no knowledge of the theft of signals or their usage. Right?
He just happens to be in the vicinity of a lot of funny stuff.

Sources: U-M staffer bought tickets at 11 schools

Suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions, who is at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, multiple sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Deleted11512]

This is getting wild. Now the schools have video evidence of people in the stands, in the same seats that were purchased by the staffer, recording the sideline the entire game. UM is going down for this. If I’m OSU, now way in hell I’m playing that game with the B10 championship and playoff on the line.

 

[Prestonyte]

You think Michigan and Harbaugh are going to offer a voluntary 3 game suspension for next year? lol

 

[Prestonyte]

Stalions also had appeared on other teams' radars. Big Ten coaches said they had seen him on the Michigan sideline in their games, often positioned next to the defensive coaching staff. They suspected what he was doing.

Another Big Ten coach added of Stalions: "Everybody knows he's the guy." But he and other coaches, both within and outside the conference, said any scouting operation involves more than one person.

'There's honor amongst thieves': What college football coaches say about legal and illlegal sign stealing

With the NCAA investigating Michigan for sign stealing, we surveyed coaches from around the country to see what they thought.

www.espn.com

 

[muscleknight]

What about clemson stealing signs? They have done it in the past and probably still do.

 

[Tusi21!!]

What about clemson stealing signs? They have done it in the past and probably still do.

How did Michigan get caught?

 

[18IsTheMan]

"The staffer acted on his own, with no knowledge or approval by the athletic department or football staff. The staffer was not involved in any game plan preparation or gameday activities of any kind. Further, no video obtained by the staffer was ever submitted to or used by any member of the football staff."

 

[Deleted11512]

What about clemson stealing signs? They have done it in the past and probably still do.

It's been documented that LSU was concerned that Clem sent someone to scout them in the SECCG in 2019. I don't know how you do that without video aid, but I digress. LSU's first 3 drives were punts. Coach O told the OC to change up the signals, and LSU did whatever they wanted for the rest of the game. Very interesting.

 

[Tusi21!!]

So how did they get found out?

 

[Viennacock]

This is getting wild. Now the schools have video evidence of people in the stands, in the same seats that were purchased by the staffer, recording the sideline the entire game. UM is going down for this. If I’m OSU, now way in hell I’m playing that game with the B10 championship and playoff on the line.

Big universities and big name coaches VERY RARELY go down. Michigan threw the lowest guy on the totem pole to the NCAA. I would be shocked if UM receives more than a slap on the wrist from the impotent NCAA.

 

[Deleted11512]

Big universities and big name coaches VERY RARELY go down. Michigan threw the lowest guy on the totem pole to the NCAA. I would be shocked if UM receives more than a slap on the wrist from the impotent NCAA.

I doubt it. They've got video of the guy on the DC's hip throughout games. This isn't some dude that was never around the coaches or gameplan.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I doubt it. They've got video of the guy on the DC's hip throughout games. This isn't some dude that was never around the coaches or gameplan.

They've gotta prove his agents or co-conspirators or whatever you want to call them were videoing signs. There's no way you can use surveillance video to prove that a guy sitting up in the stands was using his phone to video the sideline specifically. As it is, it looks shady as all get out, but unless they've actually got the videos and show that the people were videoing signs from the sideline, I'm not sure what they can do.

 

[Deleted11512]

They've gotta prove his agents or co-conspirators or whatever you want to call them were videoing signs. There's no way you can use surveillance video to prove that a guy sitting up in the stands was using his phone to video the sideline specifically. As it is, it looks shady as all get out, but unless they've actually got the videos and show that the people were videoing signs from the sideline, I'm not sure what they can do.

They have video of people in the seats that were purchased by Stallions videoing the sideline for the whole game. What that video shows and how clear it is, nobody knows yet. But that video got from a phone to coaches on UM's staff somehow, and it's very hard to cover up a digital trail 100%. And the guy that did it used his own name when he bought the tickets, so he's probably not the best at covering trails to begin with. Someone is going to give something to save themselves.

 

[Deleted11512]

This doesn't look particularly good....Stalions there on the sideline, play sheet in hand (probably OSU's), right beside the DC...looking over to the OSU sideline when they're signaling in. As soon as the signals go in, the entire UM sideline knows exactly what they're doing. He's not calling the defensive play. You see the guy in green doing that. They're signaling what OSU is going to do. The narrative that this is the lowest guy on the totem poll is false. The narrative that he acted alone and no one else knew about it also looks false.




They've even got what looks to be a signal sheet from their W against OSU last year. There is no way possible, with multiple people signaling in, you can get that amount of detail without video to replay. And think about this. You have to be 100% positive in the work you're doing, or else you're going to completely confuse your team. Stalions is the guy to the left right here holding that stack of papers....right beside their DC, Jesse Minter.

 

[18IsTheMan]

They have video of people in the seats that were purchased by Stallions videoing the sideline for the whole game. What that video shows and how clear it is, nobody knows yet. But that video got from a phone to coaches on UM's staff somehow, and it's very hard to cover up a digital trail 100%. And the guy that did it used his own name when he bought the tickets, so he's probably not the best at covering trails to begin with. Someone is going to give something to save themselves.

But there's NO way they can have surveillance video of him actually videoing the sideline. They can have video of holding his phone up pointed towards the field, but there's no way they can discern from surveillance video what he's actually videoing on his phone.

 

[Deleted11512]

But there's NO way they can have surveillance video of him actually videoing the sideline. They can have video of holding his phone up pointed towards the field, but there's no way they can discern from surveillance video what he's actually videoing on his phone.

They'll have enough to make an accusation and force UM to defend it or admit to it for a reduced punishment. The last thing UM would want to do is sue and this thing get into the court system. NCAA has all the upper hand here.

 

[Prestonyte]

"The staffer acted on his own, with no knowledge or approval by the athletic department or football staff. The staffer was not involved in any game plan preparation or gameday activities of any kind. Further, no video obtained by the staffer was ever submitted to or used by any member of the football staff."

Stalions also had appeared on other teams' radars. Big Ten coaches said they had seen him on the Michigan sideline in their games, often positioned next to the defensive coaching staff. They suspected what he was doing.

 

[Viennacock]

I doubt it. They've got video of the guy on the DC's hip throughout games. This isn't some dude that was never around the coaches or gameplan.

UNC admitted academic fraud and didn't even get a slap. You have more confidence than I do in the NCAA.

I am with you, Harbaugh and his staff should go down but I don't think they or the university will go down.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Stalions also had appeared on other teams' radars. Big Ten coaches said they had seen him on the Michigan sideline in their games, often positioned next to the defensive coaching staff. They suspected what he was doing.

I don't doubt they are stealing signs (I assume all teams try to. Part of the game.). I just don't see any way, with as large of a venue as it is, how you can tell from surveillance video what someone is specifically videoing.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I've never really gotten the sign-stealing stuff. ALL teams try to decipher opponent signals to one degree or another. If teams weren't trying to decipher signals, the signals wouldn't have to be so elaborate. It's just part of the game. That being the case, what does it matter how they do it? TV broadcast routinely show teams signaling in plays.

 

[Deleted11512]

UNC admitted academic fraud and didn't even get a slap. You have more confidence than I do in the NCAA.

I am with you, Harbaugh and his staff should go down but I don't think they or the university will go down.

I know the UNC issue is a lightening rod, but the fact that those classes and that scheme was available to all students, not just athletes, limited the NCAA to a degree. We all know that's BS, but they found a defense that worked. I'm not sure what defense you can use here.

 

[Deleted11512]

I've never really gotten the sign-stealing stuff. ALL teams try to decipher opponent signals to one degree or another. If teams weren't trying to decipher signals, the signals wouldn't have to be so elaborate. It's just part of the game. That being the case, what does it matter how they do it? TV broadcast routinely show teams signaling in plays.

If you can get the signals by just watching live, then go for it. But you shouldn't be able to use electronics to do it. That cheapens the game. TV might show a few instances a game, but not enough to make a difference. When you're signal stealing you're looking for repetition. You can't get that from a TV broadcast. Really the only way you can get it is videoing it. You've got 3-4 different guys signaling, or holding different posters up. You'd have to have multiple people writing down everything those signalers are doing, every image they're holding up. I guess that's possible. But I'm betting UM isn't the only program doing this.

 

[will110]

I've never really gotten the sign-stealing stuff. ALL teams try to decipher opponent signals to one degree or another. If teams weren't trying to decipher signals, the signals wouldn't have to be so elaborate. It's just part of the game. That being the case, what does it matter how they do it? TV broadcast routinely show teams signaling in plays.

I think it's because how he went about getting the signs is blatantly against the rules.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If you can get the signals by just watching live, then go for it. But you shouldn't be able to use electronics to do it. That cheapens the game. TV might show a few instances a game, but not enough to make a difference. When you're signal stealing you're looking for repetition. You can't get that from a TV broadcast. Really the only way you can get it is videoing it. You've got 3-4 different guys signaling, or holding different posters up. You'd have to have multiple people writing down everything those signalers are doing, every image they're holding up. I guess that's possible. But I'm betting UM isn't the only program doing this.

I think it's because how he went about getting the signs is blatantly against the rules.

I get it. It just seems awfully arbitrary to me. Some sign stealing is ok, but others is not. Why is electronic sign stealing SO bad when non-electronic is a-ok?

 

[Viennacock]

I know the UNC issue is a lightening rod, but the fact that those classes and that scheme was available to all students, not just athletes, limited the NCAA to a degree. We all know that's BS, but they found a defense that worked. I'm not sure what defense you can use here.

UNC is not the only school to avoid penalties. Look at the Kansas basketball ruling just a week or so back. There's always an excuse for letting the big schools off the hook. Yet they penalized Oklahoma State for the same infraction.

I hope and think the NCAA should lay the wood to UM. I grew up a Buckeye. I just don't think it will happen. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UNC is not the only school to avoid penalties. Look at the Kansas basketball ruling just a week or so back. There's always an excuse for letting the big schools off the hook. Yet they penalized Oklahoma State for the same infraction.

I hope and think the NCAA should lay the wood to UM. I grew up a Buckeye. I just don't think it will happen. Hope I'm wrong.

If hard evidence emerges, they may not have a choice. If all they get is the circumstantial stuff that's out there right now, there's zero chance.

 

[Prestonyte]

Opportunities for new official staff positions may be opening soon - SSC = Sign Stealing Coordinator,
if the NCAA doesn't do its' job.

 

[Deleted11512]

Opportunities for new official staff positions may be opening soon - SSC = Sign Stealing Coordinator,
if the NCAA doesn't do its' job.

Bingo. The HAVE to do something about it. This is more than academic nonsense. This is blatant on the field cheating.

 

[Deleted11512]

Mr. Beamer, if you need any “assistance” in the scouting department please let me know.

Sounds like a sweet gig!!

 

[Deleted11512]

Here he is on the sideline, speaking directly to Harbaugh, apparently saying "run that same play". Just interesting that a "low level" analyst in on the field directly telling the HC what to do.

 

[Deleted11512]

Our good friend @ArniePalmieAlert seems to have had the goods on this last December...Care to elaborate?

 

[Yard_Pimps]

j

 

[Deleted11512]

Knew we should have hired Chadwell!!

 

[ArniePalmieAlert]

Our good friend @ArniePalmieAlert seems to have had the goods on this last December...Care to elaborate?

No but I’m fully convinced they sent our defensive signals to your staff before our game last year

 

[Deleted11512]

No but I’m fully convinced they sent our defensive signals to your staff before our game last year

Honestly, that would explain a lot.

Doesn't explain your D's performance, but was one of the few times we held someone to less than their per game averages.

 

[Deleted11512]

I am officially enthralled in this story....As I've learned, it matters not if they can prove the video recording. It is against NCAA rules to have in person scouting bc not all schools can afford to do it. So, they're already busted for that. UM has immediately suspended the guy. The video recording is just icing on the cake.

Earlier this year, UM assistant Matt Weiss had his house and office raided by law enforcement. Apparently there is in investigation into the hacking of OSU systems to obtain practice footage. I believe they found these videos during that raid.

 

[utjl36]

No but I’m fully convinced they sent our defensive signals to your staff before our game last year

That's exactly what they did and how USC was able to beat the VOLS and Clemson last year. Wee Man Beamer is Butch Jones 2.0 except maybe a little more petulant. The only reason I'm not still pissed that cringy, loser has last year in his win column is because it is helping him stay employed in Columbia.

 

[Prestonyte]

Orange is a wardrobe malfunction with criminal connotations, is visually disturbing and obviously leads to mental delusions. Moderators - We must start charging substantial fees for these therapy visits!

 

[Deleted11512]

That's exactly what they did and how USC was able to beat the VOLS and Clemson last year. Wee Man Beamer is Butch Jones 2.0 except maybe a little more petulant. The only reason I'm not still pissed that cringy, loser has last year in his win column is because it is helping him stay employed in Columbia.

 

[KingWard]

UNC admitted academic fraud and didn't even get a slap. You have more confidence than I do in the NCAA.

I am with you, Harbaugh and his staff should go down but I don't think they or the university will go down.

Already asked and answered a million times. Academic violations are under the purview of accreditation entities. This hijinks relates directly to competition on the field.