Has a future first-round NFL QB draft pick ever lost to Vanderbilt?
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I watched almost that whole game today (fell asleep for a little bit). I just don’t get the hype with him.
I’ve watched almost all of their games this year and have said the same thing.
Yes.....Matthew Stafford.....2006 Vandy beat Georgia. Stafford was the 1st pick in the draft.
Guess NFL scouts should consult the experts here before wasting a pick on Will. When you guys rip on Levis, do you stop to recognize that first round picks in recent years have included Trey Lance, Mitchel Trubisky, Pickett, Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Haskins, just to name a few off the top of my head who have either been busts or are well on their way to being busts?
We need to understand, in the NFL you rarely win big without an elite talent at QB. Therefore teams are willing to use a first round pick on a QB who has elite physical skills, which Levis has. If you hit the jackpot you have your franchise QB and that outweighs the risk.
We need to understand, in the NFL you rarely win big without an elite talent at QB. Therefore teams are willing to use a first round pick on a QB who has elite physical skills, which Levis has. If you hit the jackpot you have your franchise QB and that outweighs the risk.
So this is where we draw the line? The BWICAC have been couch coaching Franklin for years, but questioning the judgement of media based "draft experts" is out of bounds.
I’d still take Levis over Clifford, without hesitation. Happy Feet 3, starring Sean Clifford.
I don't pretend to be anything other than someone who has watched 45 years of PSU and pro football.
I've trusted coaches to make the decisions on who is better. Blackledge/Hostetler; Shaffer/Knizner; McSorely/Stevens; Clifford/Stevens; Clifford/Levis; etc.
In 2019 and 20, when Levis had his opportunity, he did nothing with it. I certainly didn't see much. While Levis may have the measurables the NFL covets, I'm not seeing the production or performance. FWIW, I don't think Clifford is NFL material either. Levis will get an opportunity due to measurables, but is just as likely Kyle Boller as future HoF. The higher he is picked, the less likely he is to succeed IMO, because he probably wouldn't get the chance to sit and learn.
FWIW, I also am thus far not overly impressed with Allar. His footwork seems ... active shall we say. Maybe it's a PSU thing. I hope not.
The other thing I'll mention in this thread is that I listen to the Keystone Sports Network's PSU show occasionally, and the host, a jabronie named Jim Gallante (SP?); keeps harping on Levis and how the coaches chose Clifford over Levis, and how the coaches chose Roberson over Veilleux at Iowa City in 2021. This clown keeps comparing how Veilleux did vs. Rutgers @Home vs. Roberson in the cage that is Kinnick as if it's the same. Veilleux was true frosh vs. Roberson who was in the program for 3 years. While Veilleux looked quite impressive vs. Rutgers at home, I doubt he looks the same vs. Iowa at their house. The fact that this is what passes for "media" in the PSU beat is what astonishes me.
Again, just one guy's humble opinion.
I've trusted coaches to make the decisions on who is better. Blackledge/Hostetler; Shaffer/Knizner; McSorely/Stevens; Clifford/Stevens; Clifford/Levis; etc.
In 2019 and 20, when Levis had his opportunity, he did nothing with it. I certainly didn't see much. While Levis may have the measurables the NFL covets, I'm not seeing the production or performance. FWIW, I don't think Clifford is NFL material either. Levis will get an opportunity due to measurables, but is just as likely Kyle Boller as future HoF. The higher he is picked, the less likely he is to succeed IMO, because he probably wouldn't get the chance to sit and learn.
FWIW, I also am thus far not overly impressed with Allar. His footwork seems ... active shall we say. Maybe it's a PSU thing. I hope not.
The other thing I'll mention in this thread is that I listen to the Keystone Sports Network's PSU show occasionally, and the host, a jabronie named Jim Gallante (SP?); keeps harping on Levis and how the coaches chose Clifford over Levis, and how the coaches chose Roberson over Veilleux at Iowa City in 2021. This clown keeps comparing how Veilleux did vs. Rutgers @Home vs. Roberson in the cage that is Kinnick as if it's the same. Veilleux was true frosh vs. Roberson who was in the program for 3 years. While Veilleux looked quite impressive vs. Rutgers at home, I doubt he looks the same vs. Iowa at their house. The fact that this is what passes for "media" in the PSU beat is what astonishes me.
Again, just one guy's humble opinion.
Effective use of the term ‘jabronie’. A tip of the hat.
Levis did not play well and frightened coaches while a Lion. Fact. Wish him well but he’s not a game breaker.
Oh, the majority of us get it. He's big. He's got a rocket. Unteachable physical attributes.
He also has zero internal clock. Unteachable intangible.
He's probably playing hurt to some degree as he's had turf toe, a broken finger, and who knows what else. He's been sacked over 2 dozen times this year, maybe 3. It just amazes me that the same people who will go out of their way to defend Levis at every turn are the same ones pissed on Clifford and Franklin for playing him hurt vs Illinois last year.
Vandy is WAY below Illinois. UK had zero business losing that game today. And Levis being ineffective was a big part of it.
I have watched several Kentucky games and I don’t get the hype. There’s more to being a QB than having a big arm. Didn’t see today’s game but Kentucky lost at home to Vandy. That was their first SEC win in something like 23 games. Gimme a break.
I seem to remember the coaches not letting Levis throw at PSU. I’m guessing there was a reason for that.
Well in several games they basically had him throw passes at or just beyond the line of scrimmage
Just because other idiot GM's have made stupid draft picks selecting a QB in the first round doesn't justify that the next idiot GM should do it. For example, anyone with any resemblance of a brain knew that Baker Mayfield was a stupid pick before it ever happened in 2018 draft. Yet, John Dorsey just knew Baker Mayfield was the best player in the draft. John Dorsey had a history of selecting high character risk players.....and of course he lost his job.
Interesting when you look at their statistics currently for 2022 Clifford and Levis have somewhat similar statistics.
Yes.....but if you are an NFL scout....who would you say has the most upside. Remember..Levis has only been a starter for 2 years compared to Clifford's 4?
Personally, I don't draft Clifford at all and I don't draft Levis earlier than the 3rd round
That's a good question and I guess comes down to the particular NFL team and their needs. There is an upside to drafting a QB with 4 years experience as compared to two, but on the other hand if you have some time to develop a QB you can take a chance. Clifford will most likely not be drafted, but some team out there might take a shot on him as a free agent.
I think Clifford settles into his NIL business even if the chance brings itself as UDFA.
Sure....the Bengels, Browns and Ravens could sign him to their taxi squad to emulate Mason Rodolph if he starts fir the Steelers.
neither looks to be NFL materialNFL scouts are missing out I guess, SC better than Levis
No one that I know ever claimed that Clifford is NFL material. The issue was whether Franklin made the right call by playing him rather than Levis. Except for those who seem to enjoy trying to find another reason to criticize Franklin by buying into the Levis hype,the answer seems to be yes. As far as Levis is concerned, somehow those who want to criticize Franklin’s QB call, have a problem with those who point out that Levis has not lived up to the hype at Kentucky. Goose meet Gander isNFL scouts are missing out I guess, SC better than Levis
Fair enough, maybe Levis gets us over the hump against OSU and UM maybe not, we know SC could not, guess we will never know. The obvious answer though is Levis has NFL potential SC obviously does not. To me JF and crew missed, it happens, not worried about it now, finish the season strong and get ready for Allar time.
If you think that is bad, you should listen to the mooks who do the post game podcasts. Incliuding some of the guys who shill for the On3 Network. Looking at you, Nate Bauer. Looking. Right. At. You.
Nate kinda seems like a guy who used to post here, slightly negative, that is now getting paid for his commentary and is basically scared to speak one way or the other. Say something besides shrugged shoulders and "I don't know." It's OK to be wrong. Many of us do it here quite a bit for no pay.
Except for the fact that Clifford beat UM twice you mean? The obvious answer is that Franklin’s task was to decide who was the better QB for the team not who has “NFL and potential” and except for those with an agenda, he clearly made the right call.
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