Has anyone seen this? WBB article

[SouthHalls410]

'It Really Is Trauma': Former Players Allege Misconduct Under Lady Lions Head Coach Carolyn Kieger

Players said the culture Kieger instituted in her programs hurt many players’ mental health and incorporated aspects of racism, body shaming, bullying, and more.

onwardstate.com

 

[Erial_Lion]

Disappointing/Concerning. I assume/hope that Kraft will take the allegations seriously and dig deeply into them. Certainly the type of thing that will be tough to overcome on the recruiting trail.

 

[fairgambit]

Fifty years as a lawyer tells me to wait for all the facts to come out, and then wait a bit longer. That said, this looks really bad. It wasn't all that long ago we had a coach named Rene Portland.

 

[TiogaLion]

For whomever doesn't bother to read past the opening paragraph, here's what one former player had to say. There are other similar quotes as well.


“Her unwavering support and loving spirit is what I appreciate about coach Kieger to this day. She will always be someone I know I can turn to and will always be there for a conversation, a laugh, or a cry. I’ve played basketball now for more than 20 years, it’s safe to say I’ve had a lot of coaches in my time of playing little league basketball all the way to now playing professional basketball overseas," the player wrote. “Coach Kieger is truly one of the most caring individuals I have ever met and will ever meet. The impact she has had on me is far greater than those three years together at Marquette University. It is a lifetime of gratitude that I will have for her and I know she is my coach for life."

 

[BobPSU92]

For whomever doesn't bother to read past the opening paragraph, here's what one former player had to say. There are other similar quotes as well.


“Her unwavering support and loving spirit is what I appreciate about coach Kieger to this day. She will always be someone I know I can turn to and will always be there for a conversation, a laugh, or a cry. I’ve played basketball now for more than 20 years, it’s safe to say I’ve had a lot of coaches in my time of playing little league basketball all the way to now playing professional basketball overseas," the player wrote. “Coach Kieger is truly one of the most caring individuals I have ever met and will ever meet. The impact she has had on me is far greater than those three years together at Marquette University. It is a lifetime of gratitude that I will have for her and I know she is my coach for life."

It seems like a love or hate sort of thing. Plenty of her players at Marquette and PSU are highly critical of her, while others are on the other end of the spectrum. It’s hard to make sense of that.

 

[PSU1969A]

Personally, Coach Kieger is not on my top 1,000 list of coaches. I hope Dr. Kraft looks at these allegations very seriously.

 

[TiogaLion]

Personally, Coach Kieger is not on my top 1,000 list of coaches. I hope Dr. Kraft looks at these allegations very seriouslu.

That's sort-of messed up. You don't like her as a coach, so you want her labelled a racist? smh

 

[PSU1969A]

That's sort-of messed up. You don't like her as a coach, so you want her labelled a racist? smh

Where in god's name did I mention that I thought she was a racist? There is a reason that so many coaches and players have left; some of which were starters.

 

[JWB389]

Based solely on the article, I don’t see her surviving this. Disappointing as the father of a daughter, for sure. Also disappointing as a Nittany Lion that these negative stories are hitting seemingly every couple months now.

 

[PSUJam]

They're playing in the Women's Basketball Coaches Association tournament starting Thursday in Orlando.

 

[PSUJam]

 

[PSUHarry]

For whomever doesn't bother to read past the opening paragraph, here's what one former player had to say. There are other similar quotes as well.


“Her unwavering support and loving spirit is what I appreciate about coach Kieger to this day. She will always be someone I know I can turn to and will always be there for a conversation, a laugh, or a cry. I’ve played basketball now for more than 20 years, it’s safe to say I’ve had a lot of coaches in my time of playing little league basketball all the way to now playing professional basketball overseas," the player wrote. “Coach Kieger is truly one of the most caring individuals I have ever met and will ever meet. The impact she has had on me is far greater than those three years together at Marquette University. It is a lifetime of gratitude that I will have for her and I know she is my coach for life."

Well that's just cherry picking.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

It's tough being a head coach. I think kids today are much softer than decades ago and that old tear them down to build them up doesn't work like it once did. Willie Davis said of Vince Lombardi when asked if he treated Green Bay's black players any differently than white players, "He treated us all the same. Like dogs." I always thought solid advice in coaching was when they win point out their mistakes and not let them get too high, and when they lose build them and their confidence up.

Would a young Bobby Knight or Woody Hayes be able to coach today?

If Kieger has that kind of reputation, that's not going to entice recruits or anyone to come to Penn State via the portal.

 

[TiogaLion]

Well that's just cherry picking.

Yep, unlike the title of the article along with the first two paragraphs.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Yep, unlike the title of the article along with the first two paragraphs.

I also find the coverage of the Jack Del Rio story ridiculous…they haven’t highlighted all of the nights that he drove home safely without getting in a crash. Completely misleading headlines and coverage!

 

[PSUJam]

If Kieger has that kind of reputation, that's not going to entice recruits or anyone to come to Penn State via the portal.

FWIW, these accusations stretch back to 6-8 years ago from players at Marquette. The 3 leading scorers from Sundays game were transfers. Murray is the team's leading scorer and she transfered from Drexel two years ago.

 

[manatree]

Personally, Coach Kieger is not on my top 1,000 list of coaches. I hope Dr. Kraft looks at these allegations very seriously.

A coach's success or popularity should not correlate to the amount of oversight they receive. Should ≠ does.

It's tough being a head coach. I think kids today are much softer than decades ago and that old tear them down to build them up doesn't work like it once did. Willie Davis said of Vince Lombardi when asked if he treated Green Bay's black players any differently than white players, "He treated us all the same. Like dogs." I always thought solid advice in coaching was when they win point out their mistakes and not let them get too high, and when they lose build them and their confidence up.

Would a young Bobby Knight or Woody Hayes be able to coach today?

If Kieger has that kind of reputation, that's not going to entice recruits or anyone to come to Penn State via the portal.

Here's the thing, even if all athletes today are as soft as marshmallows, a coach's job it to get the best out of their players. Adapt or perish.

 

[PSUHarry]

Yep, unlike the title of the article along with the first two paragraphs.

Man your example was worse than the headline. So funny you can’t see it.

 

[TiogaLion]

Man your example was worse than the headline. So funny you can’t see it.

But it wasn't the headline, was it? So funny you can't see the difference.

 

[BobPSU92]

Next story.

 

[step.eng69]

Dang, now I understand why I'm currently so fudged-up at 75 yrs old.

A Few Christmas Specials We Loved But Are Not Allowed Today​

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (1964)
Rudolph might be the most famous reindeer of all, but in this classic special, he’s treated like anything but! The story follows Rudolph as he’s mocked and excluded by the other reindeer because of his glowing red nose. Today, the harsh bullying scenes raise eyebrows, as they send mixed messages about how to treat those who are different. It’s a beloved special, but not exactly in line with today’s messages on kindness and inclusion.


Santa Claus is Comin’ to Town (1970)
Kris Kringle’s backstory is magical, but some scenes might feel a bit too “tough love” for modern tastes. There’s the scene where he battles Burgermeister Meisterburger, a character who bans all toys, leading to a lot of kids being sad. It’s a story about overcoming oppression, but today’s audiences might find the “us vs. them” messaging outdated.


The Little Drummer Boy (1968)
While this Christmas special has an inspiring message of giving, it’s also surprisingly heavy for young viewers. The main character, Aaron, experiences some pretty dark moments, including witnessing the loss of his family and having to fend for himself. It’s heartwarming by the end, but the emotional load and somber storyline might not be considered kid-friendly today.


Mister Magoo’s Christmas Carol (1962)
This twist on Dickens’ A Christmas Carol features Mr. Magoo, a nearsighted old man who tends to get himself into accidents. While it’s a funny take on the classic, some scenes are a bit grim, especially in how Magoo’s character laughs off the consequences of his bumbling. Today’s parents might feel it makes light of dangerous situations or presents a dismissive view of older age.

Nestor, The Long-Eared Christmas Donkey (1977)
Nestor’s journey has us reaching for the tissues every time! But there are some incredibly sad scenes in this lesser-known special. Nestor is bullied for his long ears, and there are moments where he’s made to feel like he doesn’t belong. The heart-wrenching scenes of Nestor’s mother’s passing might be deemed too upsetting for younger audiences today, and his journey would likely be softened in a modern retelling.