The 2010-2013 teams will be honored at halftime of the Jax St game. SOS will address the crowd.
HBC coming back to WB
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Do most schools do 3 or 4 teams at once? Any particular anniversary 10 or 15 year or HBC is in the area? LOL
Maybe we can only get Spurrier back one time.
Maybe we can only get Spurrier back one time.
I'm assuming it's because we don't have any one team with a significant-enough accomplishment. You kind of have to take those 4 years as a package.
Yeah that makes since , so those guys don't have to keep coming
He's going to get some boos and that's going to be unfortunate, and a bad look as well.
I would hope not. I'm sure there might be a few, but surely drowned out by the cheers.
If he gets boos he 100% earned them. I wouldn’t boo him, but I’m not cheering for him either. I can understand some that might. He quit on us mid year. That’s unheard of.
Get over it. He gave us the greatest years ever of Gamecock football.
Absolutely, but also gave us one of the most embarrassing moments of Gamecock football (which was also the lasting impression from HBC for a lot of folks)...and that's saying something! I didn't say I'd boo him. Just said I could see how some might, and I wouldn't blame them for it.
Yeah, water under the bridge. I didn't love how he left, but I guess the other side of it is: why continue paying a coach who's checked out and burned out? If he knew he was toast, then I guess there's some merit to just saying "I'm done" instead of him sticking around and milking it.
IDK, maybe don't check out mid season?? He's a grown *** man, and supposed to be a HOF coach. Has that ever happened without the coach being urged to leave?? It's not like there was some off the field turmoil, or some big dispute between him and the university. Dude just woke up one day and "nah, I'm going to the beach". Horse crap. The players that were left to eat that crap sandwich deserved better.
How did you feel about Muschamp being fired midseason? Is the commitment only one-sided?
I personally thought it should have been done after the season for the same reason....I mean, you're not going to magically turn the season around with an interim coach and uninspired players. And in our case, some of our best defensive players just quit mid season. It's a disaster anyway. Let him finish the year with his players. Let the players finish the year out with the guy they committed to. Thought it was stupid.
Wow!
There is no way you are a Carolina Fan. What did Spurrier do that was embarrassing?
He has the most wins by far. Most SEC wins. Most Bowl wins. Our only 3 top ten finishes. He best Clemson 6x, a record 5 in a row, he has the first win over a top 5 at home, first win over a #1 team, first win in the Swamp, first win at Neyland, Only division title. He brought us a lot of media attention and national respect. He also worked for far below market value for his entire tenure.
In most cases the university would fire the coach midway through the year and then pay a huge buyout - see Will Muschamp. The AD gives the same reasons spurrier did..the team needs a fresh start etc.
Spurrier quitting saved us millions, gave Elliott a chance and gave Tanner a head start.
Spurrier said Day 1 we would never have to fire him. He said if things turn bad, he will quit. He kept his word.
Also, Spurrier was completely burnt out. Several people inside the prgram stated he was near an emotional breakdown.
Would you have been happy with him half *** coaching for 6 games just to collect 20 million from us?
I'm not a USC fan b/c I don't like how HBC left us?? That's rich. He did some great things. Best coach we've ever had. But he wasn't perfect. Not even close. So I have to kiss his *** and worship him to be a Gamecock?? Come on man. That's crazy talk. RT was NEVER going to fire HBC. So a buyout wasn't even a part of the consideration. He should have finished the year out before retiring. And if he was in that bad of shape, he should have retired at the end of the previous year. He didn't "save us" crap. He saved himself, that's it. He preserved a winning record in the SEC at USC. He left, the team spiraled and ended up with one of the worst losses in our history because of it.
If you want to believe HBC was simply being benevolent to USC by leaving us in the middle of the year, go for it. I'm not going to criticize you for that. I just see it differently.
Quitting on the team mid season is embarrassing. Tell us about another P5 program where that has happened without there being some scandal.
Muschamp was fired, he did not quit. There is no comparison to his leaving mid season and Spurrier quitting.
If Spurrier was so burnt out, why didn't he quit at the end of the previous season? He could have left as a hero and the undisputed best coach ever at Carolina. Instead, he walked out on the team and the fans and gave our rivals the chance to say our program is so bad we made Steve Spurrier quit in the middle of the season.
If he had finished the season, no matter what his record was, he would not have been fired. He could have quit at the end of the season and no one would have blamed him one bit and he would have been a beloved figure.
He claimed he was going to be some sort of "ambassador" and stay connected to the football program at Carolina but within a year or so he took a job in the UF football program. Not only did he back out of his supposed job at Carolina, he took a job in the football program at an SEC East opponent of Carolina. I guess he wasn't as burned out with football as some thought he was.
Sure, he won a lot of games in a four year period, but he didn't win a championship of any kind and his departure still haunts the football program.
If I were in the stadium I would be booing loudly.
I hope he's greeted warmly. Booing, IMO, is bad form.
They're celebrating the best of the best years we've had as a program.
When I think of Spurrier at the end I see a tired, worn out man. That's it for me.
The debate about the consequences of his leaving will be with us long-term. Lots of division in our fan base.
They're celebrating the best of the best years we've had as a program.
When I think of Spurrier at the end I see a tired, worn out man. That's it for me.
The debate about the consequences of his leaving will be with us long-term. Lots of division in our fan base.
There is absolutely a comparison. Why must the coach be committed but the program must not be?
Yeah, we have very little to celebrate as a football program. Booing your winningest coach looks downright silly.
I agree about him seeming tired and worn out at the end. Really, I just don't think he was able to adapt to the modern game and how it had become a 24/7/365 commitment, particularly recruiting.
I don't like quitters. There is a huge difference in a program not accepting an underperforming coach and taking action to get rid of him and a coach walking out on the team in the middle of the season.
Would you feel the same way if Rattler said "screw it, I'm sick of playing behind this sucky O line and not having any sort of running game to take the pressure off of me, I'm out of here"? Would he still be a beloved former player to you? Would it be at all different if his play was bad and Beamer benched him in favor of Sellars?
Do you still have the very first job you ever took? Everyone leaves jobs. Call it quitting, resigning, retiring, whatever. The end result is the same. I get that in sports we think of the season, but it's still just a year-round job like any other.
But I still come back to the question of why must the employee be committed but the employer doesn't have to be?
The employee who gives notice and leaves his job is viewed much differently than the employee who throws down his tools and declares "I'm sick of this ****, I'm out of here" and walks off the job in the middle of the day. One is generally missed and respected for the way they handled their departure. The other is looked down on. One gets a good referral from the former employer, the other gets the "No, we wouldn't hire him again" response from their former employer.
I think it is a matter of professionalism and integrity on the part of the employee to not quit in the middle of the "job". Walking away mid season was a low class move for a college football coach. It was an especially bad look for someone who, as part of their job, demands that their players be committed to the team.
This is not a typical 9-5 job, and you know it. I've never just walked out a job with no notice just bc I was "done". That's BS. And if I did, I wouldn't expect that company to just be all happy with it.
Even though I think coaches shouldn't be fired mid season, there's a big difference in the two. Muschamp earned his fate. USC didn't earn getting left mid season by HBC. USC didn't do anything to warrant that. HBC was done after the 2014 season, but became enamored with winning 100 games. That's it. He got greedy. And for that, USC suffered a humiliating episode.
Why is it incumbent on the employee to give notice but not the employer?
I'm all about equity. If you can be fired without notice. You can quit without notice.
If SOS quitting midseason was an embarrassing look for us, it will be far more embarrassing for a bunch of hayseed rednecks to boo our winningest coach. What's really sad is there are a bunch of witless rubes licking their chops for the chance to boo. But we can't get much right as a program. The sensible approach, no matter how you feel, is just to politely cheer and clap. Some doofus moron sitting in the last row of the upper actually thinks he's really gonna make a point to Spurrier by booing.
Geez, have you never had a job where there were any employees? Employers generally give ample notice in the form of reviews, action plans, meetings to discuss the employees quality of work, etc.. It is extremely rare for an employer to walk up to an employee in the middle of the workday and say "you're fired, get out of here" with no prior conversation with the employee about their work not being acceptable.
I can assure you, Muschamp was not blindsided by his firing. On the other hand, the team and the fans were blindsided by Spurrier quitting mid season. I think a lot of people suspected he might quit at the end of the season but no one thought he would walk out mid season.
I can likewise assure you Tanner was not blindsided by Spurrier's decision.
What should fans do if the university decided to honor Brad Scott at a game? He at least finished the job. Should he get a standing ovation?
Well, it's not as crazy of an idea as it may sound. He did win our first ever bowl game which, no matter what anyone says, was a MAJOR MAJOR deal at the time. If, for some reason, the University ever did decide to honor our first ever bowl winning team, I would expect people to act graciously toward a coach who did the best he could do.
I don't disagree with you. But if you up and quit through no fault of your boss or your employer...just bc you're done, don't be surprised that people get pissed.
We're the consumer, not the co-worker or the employer. If they aren't upset, why should we be? Would I be ticked b/c a cashier at Walmart quit on the job and walked out? Spurrier leaving mid-season had zero impact on my life.
So RT knew that Spurrier was going to tell his team he was quitting that faithful Monday night?? I doubt that. He knew HBC was wanting to retire at the end of 14. But he also knew that he wanted to get 100 wins, and Jerri was encouraging him to keep going. I don't think he expected him to walk away like that.
It's the perfect analogy. The University is the business/employer. The coaches are the employees. Football is the product. We're the consumer.
Is your passion level for the operation of Walmart stores the same as your passion for the business of gamecock football? If so, I understand how you feel the way you do.
Do you cheer when the Walmart cashier rings your order up correctly and quickly? Do you have a Walmart sticker on your rear window?
In any event, SOS made a bad decision, in the eyes of some, nearly a decade ago. A decision, mind you, which had absolutely zero impact in any way whatsoever on the day-to-day life of any fan of the program.
It's just kind of silly to still have sour grapes over it.
If anyone is still actually bothered by how he left the program, that individual needs to seriously get a life or some other hobbies or something. Get married and have kids. I've had 3 kids since Spurrier left. What do you think I care about? My kids or dwelling on one decision made a decade ago by a guy who I've never met and has had no influence on my life?
With this current team, it's getting there.
In practice, what's more impactful on my life: the amount of time I spend in a checkout line at Walmart or how our football team performs?
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My guess is, without knowing your personal shopping habits, you've spent more time on this board lamenting our performance this year than you have in line at Walmart.