Hearing OJ simpson is dead.

Bulldog Bruce

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This is a reach. He was convicted for reasons:
1. He paid a lot of money for a great defense team who overwhelmed the prosecution.

2. DNA evidence was very new in 1994. Although that DNA conclusively indicates OJ did it, people just didn't grasp how undeniable the evidence was back then.

If this case had happened today, even the wokest jury imaginable would have convicted him, even despite of #1, because the evidence is just that damning.
two other things also.

1. when the dumb prosecution had him try on the glove in court they had to first have him put on rubber gloves to not contaminate the evidence. Look at the video and OJ never gets the rubber glove on fully, therefore the glove can't get on fully. "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit."

2. The newness of DNA is so critical and the defense did a good job to make it seem not reliable at the time. The other thing the defense did was bring into question the LAPD forensic team making mistakes and potentially tainting evidence. What they never pointed out was about the blood drops next to the killers foot prints on the left of the foot prints. The hand that OJ cut with the glass in the hotel room, according to OJ, was also the left. If the cops where planting evidence, how would they know his left had was the one with the cut?

I still remember yelling at the TV over those two points.
 

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This is a reach. He was convicted for reasons:
1. He paid a lot of money for a great defense team who overwhelmed the prosecution.

2. DNA evidence was very new in 1994. Although that DNA conclusively indicates OJ did it, people just didn't grasp how undeniable the evidence was back then.

If this case had happened today, even the wokest jury imaginable would have convicted him, even despite of #1, because the evidence is just that damning.
And 3., his high powered defense team took advantage of some prosecutorial missteps and long running LA corruption to plant doubt in the jury.

I know people want to ignore it, but anyone with a more than passing familiarity with LAPD would have to have some suspicion of the prosecution of a high profile African American. That well-earned cloud of doubt put a high bar to the prosecution, and they failed to meet it.
 

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And 3., his high powered defense team took advantage of some prosecutorial missteps and long running LA corruption to plant doubt in the jury.

I know people want to ignore it, but anyone with a more than passing familiarity with LAPD would have to have some suspicion of the prosecution of a high profile African American. That well-earned cloud of doubt put a high bar to the prosecution, and they failed to meet it.
yes the case was about Rodney King and other black men being beaten (and at times killed) by racist white LA cops. The 4 officers seen on video that beat the crap out of King got away with it. Riots and deaths insued.

3 years later, OJ got away with killing 2 white people. No riots. No more deaths. This was perceived as justice and saved many lives in LA.
 
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mstateglfr

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OJ Simpson killed two people and was acquitted in the name of social justice.

Justice would have been the parties involved being viewed as individuals: Two innocent people murdered, one guilty person convicted.

Social justice views people not as individuals but as members of a group: Two white people murdered, one black person acquitted as payback for past injustices perpetrated by white people against black people.

To be clear, there were injustices committed by the LAPD against members of the black community in the early nineties. However, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman had nothing to do with these injustices. And these injustices had nothing to do with the crimes committed by OJ Simpson.

Any time you hear the relatively new term social justice, you should think of OJ Simpson. By definition, it is something different than justice. Otherwise, why make the distinction? It is similar to when we say something is politically correct. We aren't saying it's correct. In the same way, when we say something is right according to the concept of social justice, we aren't saying that it is right according to our existing concept of justice.
It couldnt have been the media insanity surrounding the 9 month case.
It couldnt have been the celebrity status.
It couldnt have been the bias against prosecution.
It couldnt have been because jurors called some of the evidence 'garbage in garbage out' and 'one of many, many mistakes' due to contamination concerns and poor prosecutorial presentation.

Nah, 10 of the 12 voted to acquit because of social justice. Thats why.**

I do wish social events and policies could be as easily wrapped and tied in a bow as you seem to think they are.
That trial was a disgrace and Simpson should have been found guilty. The court let it become a circus and that hurt prosecution.
 

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yes the case was about Rodney King and other black men being beaten by racist white LA cops. The 4 officers seen on video that beat the crap out of King got away with it. Riots and deaths insued.

3 years later, OJ got away with killing 2 white people. No riots. No more deaths. This was perceived as justice.
I was just about to post that there was little to no chance OJ was getting convicted between the anger over the verdict regarding the officer's acquittal in the Rodney King case, the prosecutorial mess ups and the racial make-up of the jury. Throw in the fact that most everyone involved with OJ's case regardless of side suddenly became famous (I still remember the Dancing Itos on The Tonight Show) which seemed to affect the trial. Convicting someone who was as famous as OJ and was at one time universally loved was going to be a tough pull unless a confession was offered.
 
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I remember simply walking through the Union between classes in '95, when the verdict was read, and around the large screen TVs that were in front of the then-food courts, all the black students started cheering, high-fiving, fist pumping, etc. The white students there just PFFTT'd and kept walking. It was a sad day for sure for the victim's families and for the general IQ of America.
 

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yes the case was about Rodney King and other black men being beaten (and at times killed) by racist white LA cops. The 4 officers seen on video that beat the crap out of King got away with it. Riots and deaths insued.

3 years later, OJ got away with killing 2 white people. No riots. No more deaths. This was perceived as justice and saved many lives in LA.
It probably was perceived that way outside of the courtroom. But inside the courtroom, none of that stuff was permissible. Inside the courtroom, it was all about the credibility of the LAPD. And they had blown that many times over.
 

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" The jury consisted of 8 blacks, 2 Hispanics, 1 half-Caucasian, half Native American, and 1 Caucasian female. "
LOL, Yall need to quit trying to make this some deeply complicated judicial anomaly. This jury wouldn't have found Simpson guilty after seeing a video of the murder.
Something I have never looked into/heard is what were the demographics of all the jurors? There were a dozen that were dismissed thru the trial in addition to the group that voted at the end.
Not saying that demographic would change the vote or perception, just mentioning it since you cited the voting jury demographics.
 

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yes the case was about Rodney King and other black men being beaten (and at times killed) by racist white LA cops. The 4 officers seen on video that beat the crap out of King got away with it. Riots and deaths insued.

3 years later, OJ got away with killing 2 white people. No riots. No more deaths. This was perceived as justice and saved many lives in LA.
This is social justice. You can agree with it or not, but it isn't justice.

Nicole Brown, Ron Goldman, and OJ Simpson are individuals and had nothing to do with the LAPD and Rodney King. To acquit OJ Simpson for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman is to view them as members of a group rather than individuals.

The reason this is so important is because the issue has not gone away. There are people in our society who still think people should be viewed as members of a group rather than individuals. That is why I want people to associate social justice with the injustice of the OJ acquittal. That is what it is.
 

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It couldnt have been the media insanity surrounding the 9 month case.
It couldnt have been the celebrity status.
It couldnt have been the bias against prosecution.
It couldnt have been because jurors called some of the evidence 'garbage in garbage out' and 'one of many, many mistakes' due to contamination concerns and poor prosecutorial presentation.

Nah, 10 of the 12 voted to acquit because of social justice. Thats why.**

I do wish social events and policies could be as easily wrapped and tied in a bow as you seem to think they are.
That trial was a disgrace and Simpson should have been found guilty. The court let it become a circus and that hurt prosecution.
All of that can be true (media circus, dumb f*cks on the jury, etc.), and the rationale for the acquittal can still be serving a victory for social justice.

The trial wasn't about the facts of what happened, justice for the victims, justice for the defendant. It was about social justice (payback) for the black community in the wake of the injustices of the LAPD.

You may agree with that worldview, which is alive and well today, but that is social justice, not justice.
 
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I don’t think it was social justice. It was money. Robert Durst and Robert Blake weren’t found innocent because of social justice.
There jury were LA residents, too. There would have been riots all over again…. But that glove not fitting was the biggest mic drop moment ever!!*******
 

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two other things also.

1. when the dumb prosecution had him try on the glove in court they had to first have him put on rubber gloves to not contaminate the evidence. Look at the video and OJ never gets the rubber glove on fully, therefore the glove can't get on fully. "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit."

2. The newness of DNA is so critical and the defense did a good job to make it seem not reliable at the time. The other thing the defense did was bring into question the LAPD forensic team making mistakes and potentially tainting evidence. What they never pointed out was about the blood drops next to the killers foot prints on the left of the foot prints. The hand that OJ cut with the glass in the hotel room, according to OJ, was also the left. If the cops where planting evidence, how would they know his left had was the one with the cut?

I still remember yelling at the TV over those two points.
1a. His defense team also had him stop taking is arthritis medications before the famous glove event because he had horrible arthritis in his hands. This made his hands swell making it even more difficult for the glove to fit. Add that to the rubber gloves mentioned above and the fact that the leather in the gloves had shrunk and become stiff due to the fact that the previously wet blood that soaked the blood had dried.
 

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1a. His defense team also had him stop taking is arthritis medications before the famous glove event because he had horrible arthritis in his hands. This made his hands swell making it even more difficult for the glove to fit. Add that to the rubber gloves mentioned above and the fact that the leather in the gloves had shrunk and become stiff due to the fact that the previously wet blood that soaked the blood had dried.
I’m not a lawyer, but that seems like the dumbest idea the prosecution could come up with. “Have him put the glove on!” You think he wasn’t going to make sure it didn’t go on?
 

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RIP Patrice O'Neal (1969-2011)

ETA: In this video, Patrice (who I love, btw) articulates from the perspective of someone who thought the acquittal was a good thing that it was a social victory even if OJ did, in fact, murder two people.
 
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two other things also.

1. when the dumb prosecution had him try on the glove in court they had to first have him put on rubber gloves to not contaminate the evidence. Look at the video and OJ never gets the rubber glove on fully, therefore the glove can't get on fully. "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit."

2. The newness of DNA is so critical and the defense did a good job to make it seem not reliable at the time. The other thing the defense did was bring into question the LAPD forensic team making mistakes and potentially tainting evidence. What they never pointed out was about the blood drops next to the killers foot prints on the left of the foot prints. The hand that OJ cut with the glass in the hotel room, according to OJ, was also the left. If the cops where planting evidence, how would they know his left had was the one with the cut?

I still remember yelling at the TV over those two points.
Marcia Clark was also more worried about getting her freak on at the time as well.
 
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Reading O.J. Simpson's Book


Ask the Pack:

Who is Charlie?
 
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" The jury consisted of 8 blacks, 2 Hispanics, 1 half-Caucasian, half Native American, and 1 Caucasian female. "
LOL, Yall need to quit trying to make this some deeply complicated judicial anomaly. This jury wouldn't have found Simpson guilty after seeing a video of the murder.
I think there were voicemails he left her saying he would do it
 

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All of that can be true (media circus, dumb f*cks on the jury, etc.), and the rationale for the acquittal can still be serving a victory for social justice.

The trial wasn't about the facts of what happened, justice for the victims, justice for the defendant. It was about social justice (payback) for the black community in the wake of the injustices of the LAPD.

You may agree with that worldview, which is alive and well today, but that is social justice, not justice.
LA juries also sent thousands of African Americans to prison with regularity in the same time period. Your theory is garbage.
 

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LA juries also sent thousands of African Americans to prison with regularity in the same time period. Your theory is garbage.
I'm sorry that I'm not convinced of your logic that because other juries convicted African Americans, this jury must not have acquitted OJ Simpson because of race.
 
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That's a nice bit of fiction. But there's zero chance that's what happened.
ZERO chance.
Simpson did it and he got off because the jury wasn’t about to convict a celebrity that was accused of killing two white people. The incompetent state prosecutors decided it would be a good idea to put a detective with a racial past on the stand and having Simpson try on the gloves.
What an idiotic move that totally backfired and gave JC his famous you must acquit statement.
 
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